Why exactly does NY have no shot against Miami?

I don't understand why so many people downplay NY as if they have no chance in hell or something. Now many people feel they could beat the Bulls but not the heat, but I honestly feel they have a BETTER shot against the Heat.

The reason Bulls will give NY problems is because of our depth and superior defense. Then add our rebounding, and NY is not looking good in this series. People wanted to use the Rose injured card, but unfortunately for them, Rose is finally healthy heading into the playoffs (thank god) and just needs to work on gelling, that will probably take the rest of the regular season.

But with Miami, they lack a strong bench, strong perimeter shooting defense, and overall TEAM production, which NY has all of. Miami has 3 superstars, but that's pretty much all you can depend on, if the Big 3 aren't producing to standards, Miami will have big problems.

So in theory, if NY can take advantage of that weak perimeter defense and poor bench play, and if Carmelo and Amare can play like superstars, why don't they have a legit shot? People keep using the 8th seed explanation, but this Woodson coached team is not the team that earned them that 8th seed, that coach is gone.

It has to do more with what the Knicks can't do, not what Bulls/Heat can't do.
Knicks are a very inconsistent team.
They are very overrated as well.
I expect Tyson to play well, but that'll pretty much be it.
Knicks are getting the benefit of the doubt because they are the underdog.
Heat/Bulls don't because they are expected to win.
That makes a lot of people say Knicks will be tough.
Heat/Bulls are just too good.

Bulls/Heat in 4.

I agree, i want the Heat since day one.

I don't understand why people are favoring the Heat vs Bulls.

Heat lost home court and split the series against the Bulls that played 2\3 of the season without their best player.

Yes Heat last year beat the Bulls 4-1, but scored only 11 more points in that series. Heat didn't improved a bit. Bulls improved a lot, CJ best season ever playing less 4 minutes than his previous season, Taj is better, Asik is better, Noah "Triple Double" is better, Rip isn't the only improvement.


Plus there are a lot of ghosts involving the Knicks on the Heat organization.

[QUOTE=LABean]It has to do more with what the Knicks can't do, not what Bulls/Heat can't do.
Knicks are a very inconsistent team.
They are very overrated as well.
I expect Tyson to play well, but that'll pretty much be it.

Bulls/Heat in 4.[/QUOTE]
How are they inconsistent? They're 16-6 under Woodson .. and inconsistent team is hovering around .500 ..

lock amar'e and chandler in the gym until they both learn from each other. problem solved.

i know amar'e has been putting more effort into D but he's still lacking. and chandler can clog the paint for amar'e at times...

[QUOTE=iDunk]How are they inconsistent? They're 16-6 [B]since Carmelo Anthony publicly admitted he didn't try hard under the old coach[/B].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=iDunk]How are they inconsistent? They're 16-6 under Woodson .. and inconsistent team is hovering around .500 ..[/QUOTE]

They are a crappier version of the Heat.
If you've seen the Heat play, you'll know what I mean.
BUT that doesn't mean they're a perfect matchup for the Heat.
Heat are too good for them. Bulls are too.

I know you're a homer, but try to be realistic, man.
Heat/Bulls are taking the Knicks down.

Maybe next year. Gl. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Droid101]fify[/QUOTE]
:lol


Like Barkley said, they're looking good because they're rested. :applause:

new york plays bad half court basketball. melo is good in the half court. but as a team, they suck. that's a problem . . .

[QUOTE=knickswin]new york plays bad half court basketball. melo is good in the half court. but as a team, they suck. that's a problem . . .[/QUOTE]
Huh? A Knicks fan that isn't delusional?

Did I hit my head?

It's probably becuase the knicks are a joke of a franchise.

The Knicks are New York's Clippers. It's just that New York doesn't have a Lakers.

"No shot" goes too far because they have Melo. But they're obviously the underdog because they'd have to face James and Wade. Chandler will defend Bosh as well as anyone and Shumpert will make Wade work hard for his points but in terms of starpower the Knicks are badly outclassed here. Much better odds vs. a Bulls squad whose superstar has been having injury woes all season.

because we have no Lin :(

[QUOTE=DuMa]because we have no Lin :([/QUOTE]

that's almost a blessing in disguise. chalmers and company were eating him alive. we can't play that style of pick and roll heavy, turnover prone basketball against the Heat. they're too good about forcing turnovers and cashing in on them. I think we're better off collapsing the defense through melo post ups in that series.

Knicks are going to have to control the boards much better if they want any shot at the series. They got outrebounded by 14 in the last game. If the Knicks control the boards then I think the Knicks have a good shot because they have good star play, good role players, and a great bench.

Knicks definitely have a shot.

For the Knicks to remotely have a chance against the Heat:

1) Cut down on turnovers
2) Amare/Tyson/Melo needs to dominate the inside, offensively and defensively
3) Out-board the Heat

If they start running and gunning with the Heat, while it maybe fun to watch, they will get kill. Slow the game down, Melo and Amare needs to work the post game and Chandler needs to get away from foul trouble and provide the dominate inside presence defensively.

I think the Knicks can get their points against the Heat, the problem is can they prevent the Heat to go on strings of 10-0, 16-4, etc. runs during the game? Can they prevent Lebron from scoring 10-15 points in a row in the 3rd and 4th quarter?

Amare needs to dominate Bosh, and you will need Shumpert, Novak, and even Davis to provide offensive sparks in case Melo is in a shooting funk.

A lot to ask, but its not impossible. Key thing is, if the games are close, can the Knicks get the defensive stops, and give Melo a chance to be the clutch performer that many people expect out of him.

[QUOTE=Tenchi Ryu][B]But with Miami, they lack a strong bench, strong perimeter shooting defense, and overall TEAM production[/B], which NY has all of. [B]Miami has 3 superstars, but that's pretty much all you can depend on[/B], if the Big 3 aren't producing to standards, Miami will have big problems.

So in theory, if NY can take advantage of that weak perimeter defense and poor bench play, and if Carmelo and Amare can play like superstars, why don't they have a legit shot? People keep using the 8th seed explanation, but this Woodson coached team is not the team that earned them that 8th seed, that coach is gone.[/QUOTE]

Same problem as last year, and they reached the finals. Not saying the knicks have 0% but they pretty much have to shoot their lights out every game to beat the heat in a 7 game series.

Plus, miami don't really need all 3 to turn it on, just lebron and one of the other.

just limit the turnovers and rebound the ball.

Knicks have a good shot if they do those 2 things.

the key is to feed steve novak, lol.

not sure if I'm entirely joking.

Because Knicks already play better against Bulls while they have no chance against Miami. And this is not even playoffs Miami, its just regular season Miami. We all saw how Miami went up a few levels when the playoffs started. I'm not sure that Chicago has another level in them.

And then there is also the fact that Miami have Lebron, Wade and Bosh in a best of 7 series while Bulls don't have 3 superstars.

[QUOTE=knickswin]the key is to feed steve novak, lol.

not sure if I'm entirely joking.[/QUOTE]
Well Miami sucks at perimeter defense so if we can get Novak about 20 3pt shots a game... :lol

[QUOTE=The Ownage]Well Miami sucks at perimeter defense so if we can get Novak about 20 3pt shots a game... :lol[/QUOTE]

. . . then he will score 60 points :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]I agree, i want the Heat since day one.

[B]I don't understand why people are favoring the Heat vs Bulls.[/B]

Heat lost home court and split the series against the Bulls that played 2\3 of the season without their best player.

Yes Heat last year beat the Bulls 4-1, but scored only 11 more points in that series. Heat didn't improved a bit. Bulls improved a lot, CJ best season ever playing less 4 minutes than his previous season, Taj is better, Asik is better, Noah "Triple Double" is better, Rip isn't the only improvement.


Plus there are a lot of ghosts involving the Knicks on the Heat organization.[/QUOTE]


What U think the Knicks should be favored, Come again ?? A team that is barely over .500 should be favored against the best team in the league when they are on top of their game ?

[QUOTE=Nash]Because Knicks already play better against Bulls while they have no chance against Miami. And this is not even playoffs Miami, its just regular season Miami. We all saw how Miami went up a few levels when the playoffs started. I'm not sure that Chicago has another level in them.

And then there is also the fact that Miami have Lebron, Wade and Bosh in a best of 7 series while Bulls don't have 3 superstars.[/QUOTE]
That's hilarious, because the team that showed more effort against the Knicks this season was by far the Heat in their first meeting. And just a few days ago Wade rested before and after the Knicks game :lol


Miami went a few levels up when the playoff started? really? **** me sideway...

:facepalm

Pretty sure EVERY TEAM plays harder on the playoffs.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Nash]Because Knicks already play better against Bulls while they have no chance against Miami. And this is not even playoffs Miami, its just regular season Miami. We all saw how Miami went up a few levels when the playoffs started. I'm not sure that Chicago has another level in them.

And then there is also the fact that Miami have Lebron, Wade and Bosh in a best of 7 series while Bulls don't have 3 superstars.[/QUOTE]
The hell? New level? Lebron is averging almost 30 points, the entire team is averging almost 50% FG. What new level? The only thing I saw last year was Lebron getting lucky and hitting his heavily contested hail marys which made the difference.

And no, Knicks play against the Heat a lot better than the Bulls. Like someone said, if they rebound, and limit turnovers, they have a great shot.
And @d21221hk, the difference this year is that Melo is playing the best basketball he's ever played as a Knick. So expecting things to play out exactly like last year is wrong. If that was the case, Mavs would be the biggest threat in the league.

when Knicks play the Heat, Lebron will have another heartbreak end to his season

[QUOTE=LABean]:lol


Like Barkley said, they're looking good because they're rested. :applause:[/QUOTE]

Kobe's a rapist.

[QUOTE=Dwyane Rose]Kobe's a rapist.[/QUOTE]
You sound sore.

Either you're mad Kobe never raped you or you were raped by a big black guy named JoJo.
Gonna go with the latter.

Nikka, it ain't Kobe's fault. :lol

Knicks have no shot whatsoever. Please tell me what New York does better than Miami. Any category? Any?

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]Knicks have no shot whatsoever. Please tell me what New York does better than Miami. Any category? Any?[/QUOTE]
Better Bench
Best Scorer
Best 3 point shooter
Better all around Defense
Better Rebounding

[QUOTE=Tenchi Ryu]Better Bench
Best Scorer
Best 3 point shooter
Better all around Defense
Better Rebounding[/QUOTE]

And the Knicks actually have a real center.

OP is Bulls fan infatuated with the idea that Miami will be elimated prematurely. Not going to happen.

Worry about the Bulls, playa.

If Knicks can win one of the first two, they've got a decent chance. Chandler was key in beating Miami in the Finals last year. If Miami drops one of their first home games, his presence will weigh heavy on their weak minds.

Of course, this is all based upon a fairly-called series, which isn't likely to happen. What is likely to happen is the refs will step in and put their thumb on the scale for Miami anytime they start looking wobbly, or the Knicks start getting hot.

LOL what have the Knicks shown to suggest they can beat Miami 4 times out 7?

Someone please humor me.

[QUOTE=PJR]OP is Bulls fan infatuated with the idea that Miami will be elimated prematurely. Not going to happen.

Worry about the Bulls, playa.[/QUOTE]
I sense some insecurity here....

What does me being a Bulls fan have anything to do with this series? The point is, NY has a shot in the EC, period, regardless of who they play.

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Against NY

3 games played

121 minutes (40.3 per game)

29-58 FG M - A (.500)

1-8 3PT M - A (.125)

21-25 FT M - A (.840)

4 Off Reb (1.33 per game)

23 Def Reb (7.66 per game)

27 Total Reb (9 per game)

18 Assists (6 per game)

7 Steals (2.33 per game)

2 Blocks (.67 per game)

80 Points (26.67 per game)

27/9/6 averages against the Knicks.

[QUOTE=Tenchi Ryu]Better Bench
Best Scorer
[B]Best 3 point shooter[/B]
[B]Better all around Defense [/B]
[B]Better Rebounding[/B][/QUOTE]

In 3 point percentage, Miami is 9th while New York is 21st.

In rebounding, these teams are close as New York is 17th and Miami is 18th.

And better defense?! Please. :roll:

[QUOTE=lilgodfather1][url]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=LeBron+James+Heat&view=detail&id=BA2083FF5447A13E1DEFF58F70C99746D4E84D2C&first=0&FORM=IDFRIR[/url]

Against NY

3 games played

121 minutes (40.3 per game)

29-58 FG M - A (.500)

1-8 3PT M - A (.125)

21-25 FT M - A (.840)

4 Off Reb (1.33 per game)

23 Def Reb (7.66 per game)

27 Total Reb (9 per game)

18 Assists (6 per game)

7 Steals (2.33 per game)

2 Blocks (.67 per game)

80 Points (26.67 per game)

27/9/6 averages against the Knicks.[/QUOTE]
That's actually a Lebron I'd take the challenge against. Decent production, but not fear worthy.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]In 3 point percentage, Miami is 9th while New York is 21st. [/QUOTE]
I said SHOOTER, not SHOOTING. Read please.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]In rebounding, these teams are close as New York is 17th and Miami is 18th.[/QUOTE]
Still better though. A slightly better rebounding difference can be the difference to who rebounded better.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]And better defense?! Please. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Woodson shits on any defensive plays Spo can think of.

The Knicks aren't that good . Thats all that needs to be said.

They're ball movement isn't even good enough to exploit Miami's over extending defense. They are rolling out the corpse of Baron Davis at point guard..Amare is a turnstile on defense, especially when talking pick n roll D.

The Knicks aren't good. That's why they've floated around the .500 mark. sheesssh. It's a pipe dream.