Will Dark Knight Rises break Avengers recently set box office record?

Thoughts? Just read this very interesting article/insight and got me thinking.

[url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2012/05/07/why-the-dark-knight-rises-may-not-break-the-avengers-opening-record/[/url]

People are hyping up Avengers record but remember Dark Knight as article says is a much more mature film and parents are far less likely to let kids see it. Then you factor in that 3D was available for Avengers, which none of Batman movies offer. Both of which factor GREATLY into sales.

Think Rises can overcome lack of young kids+lack of 3D to re-set the record? I think it will break the record TBH. Mainly because I think hundreds of millions world wide missed DK in theaters only to hear hype and watch later, realizing it was one of the greatest movies of all time. They won't let that happen again. Everybody is going to see Dark Knight Rises.

BTW newest trailer looks A LOT better than other ones I saw. They may be using the camera angle trick for Bane because in one particular clip he looks a lot bigger than Christian Bale. If they can pull it off without CGI I'm all for it.

Nope and I dare say it'll do slightly less than Dark Knight did. Doesn't have the big Heath Ledger/Joker hype going into it.

I don't think it will break it. Avengers was helped by the fact that the international release was over a week before the US release, which meant that word about the Avengers could spread on the internet and on reviews everywhere, and so everybody in the US tried to go and see it on the weekend. The Dark Knight will be released on the same day everywhere.

And also repeat viewings.

yea, i don't see as many repeat viewings for dkr as there were for avengers. i'm sure dkr will be a great movie, but i doubt it will be as [B][U]fun[/U][/B]. it won't beat out the avengers.

I doubt it will break DK's records. Will be a good movie, but I know I'm not as excited for it. Second one was pretty ridiculous at the end anyway.

also, there's not nearly as much hype for this one as there was for tdk

Maybe Ann Hathaway can OD or something.

i think DKR has a good chance to beat the avengers, even without kids, parents and 3D. the batman films have an absolutely rabid fanbase, my friends have been talking up this movie in anticipation for years. if i had to guess, i expect more people will go see DKR than did avengers, and i expect DKR is more likely to attract repeat viewers. Also DKR has a better release date imo (july 20th is perfect blockbuster season)

There's no way it makes up 30 million, when it has half the hype of the 2nd one and a villian/actor that casuals will not get excited for. The internet and media in general was in a frenzy for months leading up to the release of DK due to Heath's death and his virtuoso performance as the Joker.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Maybe Ann Hathaway can OD or something.[/QUOTE]


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Yes it will.

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]There's no way it makes up 30 million, when it has half the hype of the 2nd one and a villian/actor that casuals will not get excited for. The internet and media in general was in a frenzy for months leading up to the release of DK due to Heath's death and his virtuoso performance as the Joker.[/QUOTE]

you may be right, i am definitely not an expert when it comes to predicting how a movie is going to do in the box office.

that said, from what i can tell, the hype for DKR is much greater than the hype for Avengers. no doubt heath was the reason that DK shot into the stratosphere. im thinking that due to the success of DK, and the sheer popularity of batman and power of the brand (look at the success of the batman video games), the next movie can kill at the box office without a masterpiece performance from a recently deceased actor.

I honestly don't see how it could. People of all ages loved Avengers, kids would probably fall asleep watching Dark Knight. Also, almost everyone I know went back to see Avengers a second time. I just don't think people will be that excited about TDK. There's no way Dark Knight rises even tops the first one.

I'm no expert either, but the current hype does not exceed the Avengers, it's not as kid friendly, and it's not 3d. I would be surprised if it beats DK's 172.

I mean, If DKR's hype is not as big as DK's hype, and Avengers [I]crushed [/I]DK...

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]I'm no expert either, but the current hype does not exceed the Avengers, it's not as kid friendly, and it's not 3d. I would be surprised if it beats DK's 172.

I mean, If DKR's hype is not as big as DK's hype, and Avengers [I]crushed [/I]DK...[/QUOTE]

maybe its just where i live or the people i hang out with, but i have seen an insane amount of hype for DKR. thats the main reason I think it will come out on top in the first place, to me it seems hyped beyond belief and the batman brand is unstoppable.

What fans realize is that Chris Nolan's first Batman film, "Batman Begins" did just okay.

In fact, "Batman Begins" came behind (yes, behind) both "Fantastic Four" and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer". Crazy.

At that time most projectionist foresaw "The Dark Knight" as making around or even less than "Spider-Man 2" type of money based on "Batman Begins" performance.

But before TDK came out, most of the generated buzz coming in was the death of Heath Ledger months before the release. Basically TDK was his last film which caught audiences all over to check it out, statistics even had over 50% of the audience being female, I think still the highest in a comicbook movie. The fact that TDK was a good film too gave it real good legs for people to check it out.

Batman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gay ass avenger league.

:pimp:

[QUOTE=Saintsfan1992]Batman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gay ass avenger league.

:pimp:[/QUOTE]
But, according to DC... it's the other way around.

Batman is actually the Gay one!

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/batman-gay-grant-morrison-superhero-comics_n_1456878.html#s515732&title=Alicia_Keys_[/url]

[quote][SIZE="3"][b]Is Batman, one of the world's most iconic superheroes really a gay man?[/b][/SIZE]

[img]http://www.toplessrobot.com/dark-knight-rises-movie-Bat-Bane-Showdown-550x382.jpg[/img]

Batman writer Grant Morrison, who is best known for revamping DC Comics' family of Batman titles, spoke at length about comic superheroes in an interview with Playboy magazine, confirming maybe those Batman and Robin rumors aren't so far-fetched after all, because the title character is "very gay" says Morrison.

"There’s an aspirational quality to him—he’s an outlaw and he can buy anything. He’s a rich man who beats up poor people. It’s quite a bizarre mission to go out at night dressed as a bat and punch the hell out of junkies. And then he goes home and lives in this mansion. He has a new Batmobile every movie. He’s very plutonian in the sense that he’s wealthy and also in the sense that he’s sexually deviant."

"Gayness is built into Batman. I’m not using gay in the pejorative sense, but Batman is very, very gay. There’s just no denying it. Obviously as a fictional character he’s intended to be heterosexual, but the basis of the whole concept is utterly gay. I think that’s why people like it. All these women fancy him and they all wear fetish clothes and jump around rooftops to get to him. He doesn’t care—he’s more interested in hanging out with the old guy and the kid.”

Morrison added that this was part of the appeal: "I think that's why people like it."

Batman’s next big screen outing The Dark Knight Rises is released this summer.[/quote]

Sorry but your post was just asking for it though.

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Ok back on topic...

Before Avengers came out, I actually thought TDKR had a shot in surpassing The Avengers because I didn't think the Avengers would even surpass "Harry Potter: Deathly Hollows 2".

Now I don't know.

But TDKR still has a lot of things going for them:

- It's the end of a Trilogy (they tend to always outdo their prequels)

- People know this is Nolan's final Batman film

- TDK had the record for most female attendance for a cbm (thanks to Heath Ledger), will they still be interested to see Rises?

- WB have theaters under contracts and always tend to open in more theaters than any other studios (TDK opened to 20 more theaters 4 years ago than The Avengers even did today; going by today's inflation at ~ $18,000 per theater, that's an extra $1.05 million more for a WB film for the weekend).

- July is a more favorable release date (school's out for the summer meaning higher morning totals, no Mother's Day, no NBA Playoffs)

- Lesser competition in cinemas to deal with (no Battleship, no Prometheus, no Men In Black 3, no Amazing Spider-Man, etc.)

I think the Avengers will hold this record for years to come. At least until Avengers 2 comes out.

[QUOTE=Jordan-esque]But, according to DC... it's the other way around.

Batman is actually the Gay one!

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/batman-gay-grant-morrison-superhero-comics_n_1456878.html#s515732&title=Alicia_Keys_[/url]



Sorry but your post was just asking for it though.[/QUOTE]

**** DC

Batman always have bad woman.

If anything Superman
is a homo

Batman >>> entire Avengers cast

I doubt it. From my perspective the Avengers was the most hyped movie coming into this year.

Re-watchability is another issue. For me I've seen TDK about 5 times. I will likely have seen the Avengers 3 times before it even exits theaters. It's just different.

Finally I just have a feeling that this movie is going to be a dissapointment. Not that it'll be bad, but that it won't match TDK and it'll settle into a "well that was pretty good" zone.

I've said this before, Batman is largely a product of his rouges gallery. I'm not sure Bane is going to be able to carry this one. Ledger made TDK, it would take one hell of a performance to carry that into DKR.

From what i've seen of Bane i'm not hopeful of this one. Hope i am wrong.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]I doubt it. From my perspective the Avengers was the most hyped movie coming into this year.

Re-watchability is another issue. For me I've seen TDK about 5 times. I will likely have seen the Avengers 3 times before it even exits theaters. It's just different.

Finally I just have a feeling that this movie is going to be a dissapointment. Not that it'll be bad, but that it won't match TDK and it'll settle into a "well that was pretty good" zone.

I've said this before, Batman is largely a product of his rouges gallery. [B]I'm not sure Bane is going to be able to carry this one.[/B] Ledger made TDK, it would take one hell of a performance to carry that into DKR.[/QUOTE]

Bane is one of, if not the, most formidable foe in Batman's rogues gallery. I mean he broke the legends back, even though he caught him slippin. Don't let Schumacher's campy Bane or other cartoon incarnations of the character taint your judgment, Bane is just as mentally imposing as he is physically. Plus, think back to when Ledger was first announced as the Joker- everyone was crying and whining about how they f*cked up by casting the gay cowboy from brokeback as Batman's archnemesis.

Nolan has yet to disappoint and Gary Oldman is on record that he thinks Rises will eclipse TDK because the story is that epic.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Bane is one of, if not the, most formidable foe in Batman's rogues gallery. I mean he broke the legends back, even though he caught him slippin. Don't let Schumacher's campy Bane or other cartoon incarnations of the character taint your judgment, Bane is just as mentally imposing as he is physically. Plus, think back to when Ledger was first announced as the Joker- everyone was crying and whining about how they f*cked up by casting the gay cowboy from brokeback as Batman's archnemesis.

Nolan has yet to disappoint and Gary Oldman is on record that he thinks Rises will eclipse TDK because the story is that epic.[/QUOTE]
If we're just talking what gets people to the box office, I don't think Bane is going to do it. I've had to explain to loads of people about who Bane is. Maybe its just where I live, but I don't believe the general public has a good idea of how formidable a foe he really is.

[QUOTE=Timmy D for MVP]I doubt it. From my perspective the Avengers was the most hyped movie coming into this year.

Re-watchability is another issue. For me I've seen TDK about 5 times. I will likely have seen the Avengers 3 times before it even exits theaters. It's just different.

Finally I just have a feeling that this movie is going to be a dissapointment. Not that it'll be bad, but that it won't match TDK and it'll settle into a "well that was pretty good" zone.

I've said this before, Batman is largely a product of his rouges gallery. I'm not sure Bane is going to be able to carry this one. Ledger made TDK, it would take one hell of a performance to carry that into DKR.[/QUOTE]


You saw the TDK 5 times in theaters? I watched it one time on blu ray and that was enough for me :lol

[QUOTE=sunsfan1357]If we're just talking what gets people to the box office, I don't think Bane is going to do it. I've had to explain to loads of people about who Bane is. Maybe its just where I live, but I don't believe the general public has a good idea of how formidable a foe he really is.[/QUOTE]

I could care less what this does at the box office, has no bearing on quality. All I know is if Nolan's Bane is anything like the comic book version ('Revenge of Bane' and 'Knightfall') than he's going to be a legendary movie foe, and we still don't know what role Ras Al Ghul will play (I know they will at least have a younger version of him, although I've seen some reports that Liam Neeson has a cameo). The general public is ignorant about a lot of things, shouldn't be surprising that they would be about a comic book character. But once the reviews come out, we'll see what critics think of Bane and the movie as a whole.

I remember that people had the same questions about Ledger paying the Joker until Kevin Smith came out with a review calling TDK 'the Godfather 2 of comic book movies' then they hype machine took over from there.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59][B]I could care less what this does at the box office[/B], has no bearing on quality. All I know is if Nolan's Bane is anything like the comic book version ('Revenge of Bane' and 'Knightfall') than he's going to be a legendary movie foe, and we still don't know what role Ras Al Ghul will play (I know they will at least have a younger version of him, although I've seen some reports that Liam Neeson has a cameo). The general public is ignorant about a lot of things, shouldn't be surprising that they would be about a comic book character. But once the reviews come out, we'll see what critics think of Bane and the movie as a whole.

I remember that people had the same questions about Ledger paying the Joker until Kevin Smith came out with a review calling TDK 'the Godfather 2 of comic book movies' then they hype machine took over from there.[/QUOTE]
That's the point of this thread though :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=sunsfan1357]That's the point of this thread though :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

No one here will see a dime of any box office revenue whether it does $20 or $200 million in its first weekend. Don't see why that should matter to anyone here. What affects us is our viewing experience.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No one here will see a dime of any box office revenue whether it does $20 or $200 million in its first weekend. Don't see why that should matter to anyone here. What affects us is our viewing experience.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I think people just want to be in a competition over which movie they think is better. People in the Avengers thread are saying its the best superhero movie ever, TDK fans are saying the opposite so this is where they're going to decide for good I guess.

Maybe. Why doesn't a smart Hollywood producer come up with a superhero movie called The Dark Night Rises and try and cash in?

I think so. Look at the success of the first two.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]No one here will see a dime of any box office revenue whether it does $20 or $200 million in its first weekend. Don't see why that should matter to anyone here. What affects us is our viewing experience.[/QUOTE]

some people like to predict outcomes of future events.

Without a doubt yes

No.

No, the movie is geared towards adults.

No

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Maybe Ann Hathaway can OD or something.[/QUOTE]
or grab a video cam in the bedroom

it will not set the BO record but it will definitely be a better movie. I have no doubt about that. The DKR will not be 3D based and does not target audiences of all ages.

[QUOTE=bada bing]it will not set the BO record but it will definitely be a better movie. I have no doubt about that. The DKR will not be 3D based and does not target audiences of all ages.[/QUOTE]
Avengers wasn't shot in 3d