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Not an exact quote but gist of this article. Basically he's unhappy with how Mchale handled him and Dragic and says it's going to come down to either him or Dragic and if they retain Dragic then the Rockets may as well trade him.
[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19161109/report-rockets-g-kyle-lowry-seeks-trade-because-of-coach-kevin-mchale[/url]
"His bags are packed and he's ready to go.
Houston Rockets point guard Kyle Lowry isn't mincing words, telling the Houston Chronicle that his strained relationship with coach Kevin McHale and the fact that he and Goran Dragic are both starting quality point guards means that the team needs to move him.
Lowry's beef with McHale reportedly dates to an in-game disagreement and the point guard feels he can't get along with his coach going forward.
"Things have to be addressed. The situation would have to be addressed. If things aren't addressed coaching-wise, I guess I have to be moved.”
While McHale and GM Daryl Morey downplayed the incident and the tension, as you might expect, Lowry also concluded that if Dragic, who will be a free agent this summer, re-signs with the Rockets the team will face a major depth chart dilemma.
"We're both capable starters. We both want it. It's going to have to be a situation where they make a decision on one of us. It has nothing to do with Goran. I'm not happy with the way coaches handled things. If management wants to do something to keep Goran, I think I'll have to be moved.”
Lowry, 26, had a tough season, missing a lengthy stretch of the season with a mysterious bacterial infection and then undergoing sports hernia surgery earlier this month. He averaged a career-high 14.3 points, 6.6 assists, 3.7 rebounds and 1.6 steals in 32.1 minutes per game this season but was moved from the starting spot to a reserve role after he came back from his illness in April.
Once he returns to full health, Lowry represents an excellent value given his contract situation. He's on the books for $5.75 million next season and has a partially guaranteed salary of $6.21 million for 2013-2014. Those are both reasonable contract figures, especially considering Lowry ranked as the No. 12 point guard in the NBA in terms of player efficiency this season. A team trading for him could count on good value and production for the next two seasons as Lowry heads into his prime.
Lowry is correct in saying that Dragic, also 26, is ready to become a full-time starting point guard next year. The Slovenian point guard put up career numbers -- 11.7 points, 5.3 assists, 2.5 rebounds and 1.3 steals in 26.5 minutes per game -- in 2011-12 and will likely command a salary equal to or greater than Lowry's this summer as one of the more coveted point guards on the free agent market.
The Rockets are probably best served moving one of their two point guards, although the health concerns might make it more difficult to move Lowry than he realizes. Regardless of Lowry's statements, teams were going to be contacting Morey about his point guards this summer, given their dual emergence and the difficulty of keeping both happy going forward. While confirming everyone's suspicions about the situation, Lowry's comments probably don't change Houston's approach in any meaningful way. The Rockets were going to be weighing offers regardless."
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Id like to point out the article does a shitty job on stats...why didnt they explain his starting stats? :lol
w/e
Dragic is the better PG and I would like to see him with the rockets...If not PHX....
If not either....No idea.
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]Id like to point out the article does a shitty job on stats...why didnt they explain his starting stats? :lol
w/e
Dragic is the better PG and I would like to see him with the rockets...If not PHX....
If not either....No idea.[/QUOTE]
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he wants to be in a starting role. he's also right in the fact that dragic is a worthy starter in this league. i'm sure houston knows this and they have a decision to make.
the coaching aspect is what is interesting. a disagreement so bad that lowry feels he can't continue with him? mchale's burned a lot of player bridges in his short stint so i can't say i'm surprised but still. he really rubs people the wrong way with his weird substitutions and stubbornness. i still remember him playing love 20 minutes or less and i feel it was only because he wasn't a prototypical 4 that mchale is used to seeing it. it's ridiculous to play a player of love's talent 20 minutes or less. that's mchale for you though....he seems pretty inflexible.
lowry's contract has nice value so it's going to depend on what dragic gets on the market. i prefer dragic slightly but not if it's close to a max contract - maybe something in the mike conley range? portland, charlotte, orlando and indiana amongst a couple others could all give dragic a look. i actually think he'd be nice on indy. cut back on barbosa's minutes. dragic starts, DC backs him up. hill moves to backup SG like he was on the spurs. only thing that might mess that up is hill's size
If I'm Houston I take Dragic. He has a REALLY special game to me. I seriously see Nash 2.0 when I watch him and he's also only 24 like Lowry. I'd trade Lowry TBH.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]If I'm Houston I take Dragic. He has a REALLY special game to me. I seriously see Nash 2.0 when I watch him and he's also only 24 like Lowry. I'd trade Lowry TBH.[/QUOTE]
good, I'd rather have Lowry on the Lakers.
I'm a huge Dragic fan, but Lowry makes more sense to them money-wise. Dragic might command a little bit more money, and he's being inconsistent throughout his career. Let him go and let's hope he gets a starting job elsewhere.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]good, I'd rather have Lowry on the Lakers.[/QUOTE]
idk. i feel dragic has better court vision, is the better ball handler and is the more consistent shooter. those are all things LA needs. they don't need a bunch of scoring from the PG position...at least for the next couple seasons. i mean, depends what happens in the offseason of course. i'm almost certain dragic is going to command too much money for LA to go after him though. i think LA will stick with sessions for at least one more season and see how he does. it's not like LA is known for making sudden PG changes, lol
Didn't read the article but so I don't know the context but I'll comment anyway. Is sad that Lowry is acting this way. I thought he was better than Brooks. Brooks reacted the same way when Lowry took his starting spot. I had a small hope Houston could keep both PGs, guess that's over now. Houston will trade Lowry and Martin if they can. I wouldn't surprise me at all if Lowry, Martin, and Scola are gone by the start of the season.
Lowry used to be one of my favorite players, sad that it has to end this way.
Rockets send: Lowry, Martin
Rockets receive: Gasol, Blake
Wolves send: Williams, Beasley
Wolves receive: Martin
Lakers send: Gasol, Blake
Receive: Lowry, Williams, Beasley
3-team trade that benefits all teams. :applause:
[QUOTE=ImmortalNemesis]Didn't read the article but so I don't know the context but I'll comment anyway. Is sad that Lowry is acting this way. I thought he was better than Brooks. Brooks reacted the same way when Lowry took his starting spot. I had a small hope Houston could keep both PGs, guess that's over now. Houston will trade Lowry and Martin if they can. I wouldn't surprise me at all if Lowry, Martin, and Scola are gone by the start of the season.
Lowry used to be one of my favorite players, sad that it has to end this way.[/QUOTE]
3 team trade
Lakers get lowry scola beasley
Hou gets gasol williams or wes john
Minny gets martin
who says no?
lol balls out u posted that while i was typing. seems like a no brainer move for all involved
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Rockets send: Lowry, Martin
Rockets receive: Gasol, Blake
Wolves send: Williams, Beasley
Wolves receive: Martin
Lakers send: Gasol, Blake
Receive: Lowry, Williams, Beasley
3-team trade that benefits all teams. :applause:[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Derrick Williams and Beasley for Kevin Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEAL OF THE DECADE!
:roll:
Oh and to make it better...the lakers are basically just giving up Gasol for LOWRY...D-wolf and Beasley
:roll:
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]3 team trade
Lakers get lowry scola beasley
Hou gets gasol williams or wes john
Minny gets martin
who says no?
lol balls out u posted that while i was typing. seems like a no brainer move for all involved[/QUOTE]
beat you to it :lol
I prefer Williams over Scola though. I don't like Scola's contract, and Williams is younger with more room to develop. Plus, how could Houston say no to a Dragic/Scola/Gasol combination they'd be like the all-star Euroleague team of the NBA :eek:
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]:roll:
Derrick Williams and Beasley for Kevin Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEAL OF THE DECADE!
:roll:[/QUOTE]
Which part of that is funny to you? Williams hasn't sniffed a minute of playtime behind Love and Pekovic. Beasley is due 8 million next season and then becomes a free agent. Trade makes sense for all teams involved :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=BallsOut]beat you to it :lol
I prefer Williams over Scola though. I don't like Scola's contract, and Williams is younger with more room to develop. Plus, how could Houston say no to a Dragic/Scola/Gasol combination they'd be like the all-star Euroleague team of the NBA :eek:[/QUOTE]
Your post and razors post are terrible....Keep trades respectable or dont post.
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]Id like to point out the article does a shitty job on [B][SIZE="3"]stats[/SIZE][/B]...why didnt they explain his starting [B][SIZE="3"]stats[/SIZE][/B]? :lol
w/e
Dragic is the better PG and I would like to see him with the rockets...If not PHX....
If not either....No idea.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]If I'm Houston I take Dragic. He has a REALLY special game to me. I seriously see Nash 2.0 when I watch him and he's also only 24 like Lowry. I'd trade Lowry TBH.[/QUOTE]
This
Btw tl/dr
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Which part of that is funny to you? Williams hasn't sniffed a minute of playtime behind Love and Pekovic. Beasley is due 8 million next season and then becomes a free agent. [B]Trade makes sense for all teams involved[/B] :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't.
- Williams was the #2 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. He just finished his rookie year and showed a lot of potential while trying to adjust to being more of a Small Forward. Regardless, the T'Wolves aren't giving up on him after 1 season. Thats stupid to even suggest they would do it for a SG coming off a career-worst season.
- Michael Beasley has a Qualifying Offer for $8 Million, next season. He can't be traded because he is headed for Free Agency. Minnesota is likely not going to pick up that Qualifying Offer and will let Beasley walk as an Unrestricted Free Agent.
Be a little more realistic.
The entire NBA isn't a feeding pool of talent for the Lakers to choose from.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Rockets send: Lowry, Martin
Rockets receive: Gasol, Blake
Wolves send: Williams, Beasley
Wolves receive: Martin
Lakers send: Gasol, Blake
Receive: Lowry, Williams, Beasley
3-team trade that benefits all teams. :applause:[/QUOTE]
That trade does not benefit the Wolves at all, maybe if it were only Beasley, the Wolves aren't going to trade a guy they took #2 overall a year after they drafted him, and they aren't going to trade both for Kevin Martin, come on man.
[QUOTE=irondarts]That trade does not benefit the Wolves at all, maybe if it were only Beasley, the Wolves aren't going to trade a guy they took #2 overall a year after they drafted him, and they aren't going to trade both for Kevin Martin, come on man.[/QUOTE]
This is what I said....I guess that makes me Pauk though...
I guess that makes you Pauk too.
[QUOTE=Rowe]No, it doesn't.
- Williams was the #2 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. He just finished his rookie year and showed a lot of potential while trying to adjust to being more of a Small Forward. Regardless, the T'Wolves aren't giving up on him after 1 season. Thats stupid to even suggest they would do it for a SG coming off a career-worst season.
- Michael Beasley has a Qualifying Offer for $8 Million, next season. He can't be traded because he is headed for Free Agency. Minnesota is likely not going to pick up that Qualifying Offer and will let Beasley walk as an Unrestricted Free Agent.
Be a little more realistic.
The entire NBA isn't a feeding pool of talent for the Lakers to choose from.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Wasn't Jordan Hill traded after his rookie season to the Rockets because many thought he was a bust? I don't see how the Derrick Williams situation is any different.
If Beasley has a player option for 8 million, he's going to take it. He's not worth more than that.
Gasol is a star player in this league, still top 3 PF in the NBA.
It's okay if you don't like the Lakers, but don't let your hate cloud your judgement. :facepalm
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]3 team trade
Lakers get lowry scola beasley
Hou gets gasol williams or wes john
Minny gets martin
[B]who says no?[/B]
lol balls out u posted that while i was typing. seems like a no brainer move for all involved[/QUOTE]
Minnesota.
Listen, why in the hell is Minnesota giving up the #2 pick for Kevin Martin after he put up his worst season since 2006?
I dont see any way the T'Wolves & Rockets would ever come to agreement on a Kevin Martin deal simply because the T'Wolves don't have other assets that the Rockets would want.
Wes Johnson had a terrible season and he adds to the logjam of Small Forwards that Houston has. In the meantime, Beasley & Webster won't be back next season.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]:biggums:
Wasn't Jordan Hill traded after his rookie season to the Rockets because many thought he was a bust? I don't see how the Derrick Williams situation is any different.
If Beasley has a player option for 8 million, he's going to take it. He's not worth more than that.
Gasol is a star player in this league, still top 3 PF in the NBA.
It's okay if you don't like the Lakers, but don't make the hate so obvious. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yes but you have Gasol going to the Rockets, not the Wolves. You're saying the Wolves trade Beasley and Derrick Williams for Kevin Martin, which is terrible for them. Derrick Williams is not Jordan Hill, he's a lot better and has more potential.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Rockets send: Lowry, Martin
Rockets receive: Gasol, Blake
Wolves send: Williams, Beasley
Wolves receive: Martin
Lakers send: Gasol, Blake
Receive: Lowry, Williams, Beasley
3-team trade that benefits all teams. :applause:[/QUOTE]
Rockets get raped . u must be a fakers fan numbskull
[QUOTE=irondarts]Yes but you have Gasol going to the Rockets, not the Wolves. You're saying the Wolves trade Beasley and Derrick Williams for Kevin Martin, which is terrible for them. Derrick Williams is not Jordan Hill, he's a lot better and has more potential.[/QUOTE]
Kevin Martin put up 25+ ppg a few seasons ago but had to deal with injuries this year. He's already a proven player in this game. Williams? Not so much, and he's never going to get his chance to show he's not anything more than a bust behind Love and Pekovic in Minny.
And it's not like they're going to keep Beasley after this season anyways. If their priority is on winning now, getting Martin is a good decision, just imagine Pekovic/Love/Rubio/Martin. Martin played a few seasons under Adelman as well, so he'd fit right in. :eek:
[QUOTE=disel]Rockets get raped . u must be a fakers fan numbskull[/QUOTE]
Every team gets raped basically....
Its Gasol for Lowry, Williams, and Beasley
:lol
[QUOTE=ImmortalNemesis]Didn't read the article but so I don't know the context but I'll comment anyway. [/QUOTE]
Tends to be what typical ISH users do these days. Thanks for being irrelevant.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]:biggums:
Wasn't Jordan Hill traded after his rookie season to the Rockets because many thought he was a bust? I don't see how the Derrick Williams situation is any different.[/quote]
- Jordan Hill wasn't because management thought he was a "bust", it was because he was the only asset we could part with to get Houston to take Jared Jeffries contract. If not, no pursuing LeBron in 2010.
Derrick Williams isn't Jordan Hill. Williams has the potential to actually be a star for Minnesota in time, and the upside is there. Why else did they draft him #2? You just want Williams on the Lakers because you too must think he has some upside to be a good player in the future and just want Minnesota to be stupid enough to give him up.
[QUOTE]If Beasley has a player option for 8 million, he's going to take it. He's not worth more than that.[/QUOTE]
Learn the difference between a Qualifying Offer and Player Option.
Minnesota can offer Beasley to come back at $8 Million, and based on how he played last season along with that guy named Derrick Williams, there is a small chance they'll bring him back. He has no choice in that matter.
[QUOTE]Gasol is a star player in this league, still top 3 PF in the NBA. [/QUOTE]
Sure.
He definetly plays like it in the Playoffs.:oldlol:
[quote]It's okay if you don't like the Lakers, but don't let your hate cloud your judgement. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I dont have any reason to hate the Lakers.
I hate dumbass fans like yourself who think that you're supposed to get whichever player you want in a trade simply because you feel all other GM's are stupid except for your own.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Rockets send: Lowry, Martin
Rockets receive: Gasol, Blake
Wolves send: Williams, Beasley
Wolves receive: Martin
Lakers send: Gasol, Blake
Receive: Lowry, Williams, Beasley
3-team trade that benefits all teams. :applause:[/QUOTE]
If I'm Houston, I gotta love this trade. Lowry or Dragic is as good as gone, they won't have enough money to keep both PGs. They also get rid of Martin's contract and finally get Pau Gasol after the Dragic/Scola/Martin talk broke down with the Lakers earlier this season.
[QUOTE=itsGameTime]If I'm Houston, I gotta love this trade. Lowry or Dragic is as good as gone, they won't have enough money to keep both PGs. They also get rid of Martin's contract and finally get Pau Gasol after the Dragic/Scola/Martin talk broke down with the Lakers earlier this season.[/QUOTE]
They wont keep both PGS but go look at the cap situation in Houston and tell me why they wont have enough cap room? :rolleyes:
Also you must be a laker fan....
This trade is terrible for every team but the lakers.
Bad for Houston
Bad for T-wolves
Good for Lakers
Lakers fans are so fing stupid.
You know what How about Gasol and Steve ****ing blake for Derrick, Beasley, Scola, Lowry
Sounds fair.
It wont happen...
But lets all be gay.
[QUOTE=BallsOut][B]Kevin Martin put up 25+ ppg a few seasons ago but had to deal with injuries this year.[/B] He's already a proven player in this game. Williams? Not so much, and he's never going to get his chance to show he's not anything more than a bust behind Love and Pekovic in Minny.[/quote]
That doesn't mean much. Your last impression speaks for your value.
Why would they trade the #2 pick for Kevin Martin?
I mean seriously, you're calling a guy a "bust" for being on a team where he didn't have a huge role in his [B]rookie [/B]season but at the same time campaigning for trying to acquire him. :lol If you're interested in picking up "busts" why aren't you hoping to acquire Darko from Minnesota?
[quote]
And it's not like they're going to keep Beasley after this season anyways. If their priority is on winning now, getting Martin is a good decision, just imagine Pekovic/Love/Rubio/Martin. Martin played a few seasons under Adelman as well, so he'd fit right in. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Martin would fit in with Minnesota.
But once again, the problem has to do with how Houston values him and what Minnesota is capable of offering. Its quite obvious that there are 4 untouchable players for Minnesota in Love, Rubio, Williams, & Pekovic.
So if Houston doesn't have interest in anything else they can offer (Johnson/Ridnour, cap space, future draft picks) then they're not just going to send Kevin Martin to Minnesota.
[QUOTE=itsGameTime]If I'm Houston, I gotta love this trade. Lowry or Dragic is as good as gone, they won't have enough money to keep both PGs. They also get rid of Martin's contract and finally get Pau Gasol after the Dragic/Scola/Martin talk broke down with the Lakers earlier this season.[/QUOTE]
Why would the Lakers want Derrick Williams when they are trying to win now. Guy is far away from being a starter on a good team. Then you through in a knucklehead like Beasley.
Lakers would be much better off with Dragic/Scola/Martin
[QUOTE]Lakers fans are so fing stupid.
You know what How about Gasol and Steve ****ing blake for Derrick, Beasley, Scola, Lowry
Sounds fair.
It wont happen...
But lets all be gay.[/QUOTE]
Derrick Williams is nothing special...do not want. don't have time to teach him how to play defense or fit into an offense. guy doesnt get it yet.
[QUOTE=Rowe]- Jordan Hill wasn't because management thought he was a "bust", it was because he was the only asset we could part with to get Houston to take Jared Jeffries contract. If not, no pursuing LeBron in 2010.
Derrick Williams isn't Jordan Hill. Williams has the potential to actually be a star for Minnesota in time, and the upside is there. Why else did they draft him #2? You just want Williams on the Lakers because you too must think he has some upside to be a good player in the future and just want Minnesota to be stupid enough to give him up.[/QUOTE]
Typical Knicks fan, still trying to justify the Jordan Hill trade. :oldlol:
Let's pretend like last year's draft wasn't one of the weakest drafts of all time. Irving was a legit #1 pick, then the rest of the draft picks may as well have been 2nd rounders. Are we gonna act like if Jordan Hill went into last year's draft out of college, he wouldn't be right there with Williams? :biggums:
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]They wont keep both PGS but go look at the cap situation in Houston and tell me why they wont have enough cap room? :rolleyes:
Also you must be a laker fan....
This trade is terrible for every team but the lakers.
Bad for Houston
Bad for T-wolves
Good for Lakers
Lakers fans are so fing stupid.
You know what How about Gasol and Steve ****ing blake for Derrick, Beasley, Scola, Lowry
Sounds fair.
It wont happen...
But lets all be gay.[/QUOTE]
Its been this way ever since the Kwame for Gasol deal.
[QUOTE=BallsOut]Typical Knicks fan, still trying to justify the Jordan Hill trade. :oldlol:[/quote]
Wrong, there was justification in moving him to possibly sign LeBron in 2010.
There was no justification in drafting him over Brandon Jennings.
Had to clear that up.
I wanted Jennings, we all wanted Jennings after Curry went off the board.
[QUOTE]Let's pretend like last year's draft wasn't one of the weakest drafts of all time. [B]Irving was a legit #1 pick, then the rest of the draft picks may as well have been 2nd rounders[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because Derrick Williams & Kyrie Irving weren't clearly the 2 top prospects in the 2012 NBA Draft by far. You can spin your stupid trade scenario however you want. Maybe you can even tell me that Derrick Williams is a "bust" and you want the Lakers to get him so they can waive him in training camp. :roll:
[quote]Are we gonna act like if Jordan Hill went into last year's draft out of college, he wouldn't be right there with Williams? :biggums:[/QUOTE]
No.
Williams was the better player in college, projected with a higher upside to the NBA, and it isn't even close.
[QUOTE=Rowe]
Why would they trade the #2 pick for Kevin Martin?
[/QUOTE]
Take everything in context. A #2 pick in last year's draft isn't worth drooling over. Let me fix that for you.
Why would they trade the #2** pick for Kevin Martin?
**: Weakest draft in recent memory and an incredibly underachieving first season.