Top 5 slashers in history

I rank them in this order:

1) Michael Jordan
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Lebron James
4) Grant Hill


I don't know who to put for 5th. Nobody jumps out at me unless I'm missing someone obvious. Maybe McGrady, Iverson, Kobe or Vince for those few years. Even though Lebron is stronger, bigger, just as fast and just as athletic as Wade and Jordan, he lacks their finesse, creativity and artistry in attacking the rim which counts for something but he makes up for that with his brute strength, speed and freakish athleticism.

lebron gets to the rim with greater frequency and shoots a much higher percentage than wade one he gets there. :facepalm

Jordan
Wade


Everyone else

Iverson, Tony Parker maybe, not top 5 ever but pretty damn good.

MJ
Drexler
Wade
Lebron
Erving
Worthy

Are you talking about the ability to drive frequently, or who is the best at driving when they get the opportunity to do it.

best ones I can think of, no order

Jordan
Wade
Erving (best finisher ever in my book)
LeBron
Iverson
Drexler
David Thompson
Pip
Carter
Wilkins
Baylor
Worthy
......

Some on the list clearly better than some of the others though.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lebron gets to the rim with greater frequency and shoots a much higher percentage than wade one he gets there. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Lebron scores more frequently at the rim because he leads the league in fast-break scoring, that doesn't mean he's a better slasher than Wade.

Can Lebron do this as frequently as Wade? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3dD9CbaxI&hd=1[/url]

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1.MJ
2.Young Kobe(had one of the sickest crossover move of all time)
3.AI
4.DRose
5.Pippen (Very underrated in this aspect)

[QUOTE=Young X]Lebron scores more frequently at the rim because he leads the league in fast-break scoring, that doesn't mean he's a better slasher than Wade.

Can Lebron do this as frequently as Wade? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3dD9CbaxI&hd=1[/url][/QUOTE]
lebron was getting to the rim more and shooting much higher percentages when he was in cleveland playing on some of the slowest teams in the league. operating almost exclusively in the half-court. what are you talking about?

and using YT videos as your argument. really?

Wade is better at penetration than LeBron. LeBron gets there yeah, but Wade is quicker at going by defenders, crossing them up, splitting the pick and roll, etc. All things that go into "slashing"

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lebron was getting to the rim more and shooting much higher percentages when he was in cleveland playing on some of the slowest teams in the league. operating almost exclusively in the half-court. what are you talking about?

and using YT videos as your argument. really?[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with using YT videos? If this thread was called "top 5 dunkers in history", what would be wrong about posting VC or MJ videos? I brought up transition scoring because you brought up percentages at the rim. Lebron is a better open court player than Wade, so wouldn't that affect their "at the rim" percentages?

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]Wade is better at penetration than LeBron. LeBron gets there yeah, [B]but Wade is quicker at going by defenders,[/B] crossing them up, splitting the pick and roll, etc. All things that go into "slashing"[/QUOTE]

Wade was definitely not faster going to the hoop. Lebron at his fastest in Cleveland was close to Derrick Rose level with straight line explosion to the hoop.

Wade is more agile and shifty though on his drives ...maybe the best ever in that regard.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33][B]Wade was definitely not faster going to the hoop[/B]. Lebron at his fastest in Cleveland was close to Derrick Rose level with straight line explosion to the hoop.

Wade is more agile and shifty though on his drives ...maybe the best ever in that regard.[/QUOTE]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? Do you not remember him during his 3rd season where he went on to win the FMVP? Dude was blowing by people, doing whatever he wanted to. In 08-09 he kind of got back to that, and I still think he has the speed in him.

[QUOTE=EnoughSaid]Whaaaaaaaaaaat? Do you not remember him during his 3rd season where he went on to win the FMVP? Dude was blowing by people, doing whatever he wanted to. In 08-09 he kind of got back to that, and I still think he has the speed in him.[/QUOTE]


Wade is/was quicker changing directions and has better footwork. And he has the better handle, allowing him to cross people up and do more moves than Lebron.

But Lebron was faster exploding from point A to point B in a straight line. That's what he is/was known for and since he has somewhat lost that ability, it is why some people say he was better circa 2008-2010 than he is now.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]Wade was definitely not faster going to the hoop. Lebron at his fastest in Cleveland was close to Derrick Rose level with straight line explosion to the hoop.

Wade is more agile and shifty though on his drives ...maybe the best ever in that regard.[/QUOTE]

Wade most certainly was quicker at getting to the ring. Lebron might have a better top end speed, but you are seriously underrating how quick Wade is. The one thing my friend said once coming back from a Cleveland-Miami game when Lebron and Wade were on separate teams was how quick Wade was. He knew he was fast, but he couldn't believe how quickly he covered the court once he saw him live.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]Wade is/was quicker changing directions and has better footwork. And he has the better handle, allowing him to cross people up and do more moves than Lebron.

But Lebron was faster exploding from point A to point B in a straight line. That's what he is/was known for and since he has somewhat lost that ability, it is why some people say he was better circa 2008-2010 than he is now.[/QUOTE]

good analysis.

[QUOTE=plowking]Wade most certainly was quicker at getting to the ring. Lebron might have a better top end speed, but you are seriously underrating how quick Wade is. The one thing my friend said once coming back from a Cleveland-Miami game when Lebron and Wade were on separate teams was how quick Wade was. He knew he was fast, but he couldn't believe how quickly he covered the court once he saw him live.[/QUOTE]

I think we are just talking about different things.

I'm specifically just speaking of Lebron dribbling the ball out on the perimeter at point A, and then exploding in a straight line the hoop (of course with a few cross overs or hesitation dribbles before that to give Lebron the space and angle needed to explode past the defender).

IDK guys...younger LeBron was insanely fast. There were times he would just run in a straight line and still get past his defenders and to the rim. Insane:eek:

I think the best at "taking it to the hole" are Wade , Rose and AI. The rest of the players are debatable.

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pretty much

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT]best ones I can think of, no order

Jordan
Wade
Erving (best finisher ever in my book)
LeBron
Iverson
Drexler
David Thompson
Pip
Carter
Wilkins
Baylor
Worthy
......

Some on the list clearly better than some of the others though.[/QUOTE]

U got an epic list there! U listed some iconic slashers who could collapse a defense and alter it. And those guys could take it into the trees and get fouled, score two points, or get a three point play. U made special mention of the Doc and rightfully so. Had those huge ass hands to go with his freakish athletic ability. I think Doc and MJ had the best mitts of the guys u listed. U can tell even by their layups that they were unique, even amongst other epic slashers.

And Wade is ofter compared to MJ and I see that. But in terms of size and slashing, Wade needs to also be compared to David Thompson. I see a lot of similarities between Thompson and Wade scoring wise. Probably even moreso than Wade to MJ. And in terms of stopping and planting in one spot and exploding off vertical, Nique and Vince are the cream of the crop. They could get deeper in the paint and just explode in a manner that was SICK!

That I've seen, Derrick Rose is the hardest player to stay in front of. Or used to be..

Cot dammit, yet another thread where my dude gets no love:

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[QUOTE=tmacattack33]I think we are just talking about different things.

I'm specifically just speaking of Lebron dribbling the ball out on the perimeter at point A, and then exploding in a straight line the hoop (of course with a few cross overs or hesitation dribbles before that to give Lebron the space and angle needed to explode past the defender).[/QUOTE]

Still Wade IMO. I think its quite clear too.

Lebron might have a slight edge in end to end speed on the court. In the half court off a few steps though, Wade.

[QUOTE=bizil]U got an epic list there! U listed some iconic slashers who could collapse a defense and alter it. And those guys could take it into the trees and get fouled, score two points, or get a three point play. U made special mention of the Doc and rightfully so. Had those huge ass hands to go with his freakish athletic ability. I think Doc and MJ had the best mitts of the guys u listed. U can tell even by their layups that they were unique, even amongst other epic slashers.

And Wade is ofter compared to MJ and I see that. But in terms of size and slashing, Wade needs to also be compared to David Thompson. I see a lot of similarities between Thompson and Wade scoring wise. Probably even moreso than Wade to MJ. And in terms of stopping and planting in one spot and exploding off vertical, Nique and Vince are the cream of the crop. They could get deeper in the paint and just explode in a manner that was SICK![/QUOTE]


No doubt! Also don't forget about Drexler, going coast to coast for the basket, with ease, was his bread n butter.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lebron gets to the rim with greater frequency and shoots a much higher percentage than wade one he gets there. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Thats true.As a perimeter player i dont think we have ever seen any superstar wing take so many of his shots from inside.

With that said,i wouldnt call it lebron a slasher.He is not even in my top 5 today.
Lebron generally overpowers his opponents and because of his speed not quickness he maybe the best fastbreak player we have ever seen.This is why he always tops the league in paint points as a wing

[QUOTE=KOBE143]1.MJ
2.Young Kobe(had one of the sickest crossover move of all time)
3.AI
4.DRose
5.Pippen (Very underrated in this aspect)[/QUOTE]

My little friend if you really think kobe is #2.I mean come on even there is a limit to dckriding.I distinctly remember you saying he is scoring the way he is because of his jumper not his slashing ability.He was certainly good in his prime but come on.I can name you 5 players of the top of my head

wade,AI,MJ,drexler,rose,westbrook,Dr J. et.

Kobe is not even top 10 let alone #2

and please dont give an answer with lebron(how bad he is) because i dont think he is top 5 or even top 10 either.

In terms of driving in and finishing inside in high efficiency & high volume there is no better ive seen than Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

There were guys with equal or arguably maybe even better slashing in terms of simply driving in with utmost ease (speedy gonzales PG's with insane handles like perhaps Rose/Iverson), but these guys were the most unstoppable & most productive overall slashers, the outcome of the slashers "slashes" is what is the highest priority in my book hence Jordan/James have to come first.

Thats why after them i am also thinking of guys like prime Tracy McGrady (dont you dare forget this guy), Dwyane Wade, Julius Erving, Dominique Wilkins, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson (AI i think is the best example of the likes of Rose, Westbrook, Tim Hardaway, Stephon, etc.).

in no order

Jordan
Kobe
LeBron
AI
Wade

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]My little friend if you really think kobe is #2.I mean come on even there is a limit to dckriding.I distinctly remember you saying he is scoring the way he is because of his jumper not his slashing ability.He was certainly good in his prime but come on.I can name you 5 players of the top of my head

wade,AI,MJ,[B]drexler,[/B]rose,westbrook,[B]Dr J[/B]. et.

[B]Kobe is not even top 10 [/B]let alone #2

and please dont give an answer with lebron(how bad he is) because i dont think he is top 5 or even top 10 either.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm they cant even dribble without looking down.. LOL at Kobe not even a top 10.. Name me ten player who is better than Kobe at slashing.. I dare you..

Young Jordan was crazy.

AI made a crazy living off of it. And just kept coming and teams were ready for him and he still did it. Was fearless and wasn't protected like Jordan was.

Wade is very similar, taller but not as willing to take the hit.

Lebron, all aboard, the freight train.

Derrick Rose because too many times I seen him start at the top of the key, with the defense expecting to triple team him, and Rose get to the rim and not be touched. Ninja stuff.

Jordan & Wade.

[QUOTE=pauk]In terms of driving in and finishing inside in high efficiency & high volume there is no better ive seen than Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

There were guys with equal or arguably maybe even better slashing in terms of simply driving in with utmost ease (speedy gonzales PG's with insane handles like perhaps Rose/Iverson), but these guys were the most unstoppable & most productive overall slashers, the outcome of the slashers "slashes" is what is the highest priority in my book hence Jordan/James have to come first.

Thats why after them i am also thinking of guys like prime Tracy McGrady (dont you dare forget this guy), Dwyane Wade, Julius Erving, Dominique Wilkins, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson (AI i think is the best example of the likes of Rose, Westbrook, Tim Hardaway, Stephon, etc.).[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omUM8m8KLc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omUM8m8KLc[/URL]

[QUOTE=pauk]In terms of driving in and finishing inside in high efficiency & high volume there is no better ive seen than Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

There were guys with equal or arguably maybe even better slashing in terms of simply driving in with utmost ease (speedy gonzales PG's with insane handles like perhaps Rose/Iverson), but these guys were the most unstoppable & most productive overall slashers, the outcome of the slashers "slashes" is what is the highest priority in my book hence Jordan/James have to come first.

Thats why after them i am also thinking of guys like prime Tracy McGrady (dont you dare forget this guy), Dwyane Wade, Julius Erving, Dominique Wilkins, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson (AI i think is the best example of the likes of Rose, Westbrook, Tim Hardaway, Stephon, etc.).[/QUOTE]

If this is strongly outcome based (and even if it wasn't), Penny Hardaway should get some mentions. He was very ambitextrous and crafty when he would drive and be met by the 7 footers of his day, and it'd allow him to finish at an amazing rate. Oh and of course he was 6'7 with long arms and good jumping ability.

I'm going to throw out a stupid name: Steve Nash. When you watch some of his highlight reels, it's weird how he's so much slower than other people but gets to the rim with relative ease. Not a top 5 but very underrated slasher.

why do people say Wades not fast
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWbTL9HEgo[/url]

[QUOTE=Ikill]why do people say Wades not fast
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWbTL9HEgo[/url][/QUOTE]

Jesus, it took him just 3 dribbles to go coast to coast.