Has Kobe finally surpassed Magic as the greatest Laker?
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Has Kobe finally surpassed Magic as the greatest Laker?
Magic
Magic
Kareem
Wilt
West
Shaq
Mikan
Baylor
then we can begin to talk Kobe
[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Has Kobe finally surpassed Magic as the greatest Laker?[/QUOTE]
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There were more than 4 but I remembered these ones only. Sorry for disappointing.
Magic
Mr Bean
What's the point of comparing careers of two players when one of those players is retired and the other one is still playing
[QUOTE=r15mohd]Magic
Kareem
Wilt
West
Shaq
Mikan
Baylor
then we can begin to talk Kobe[/QUOTE]
Nah.
Magic
Kobe
West
Kareem
Shaq
The rest.
I think it's close between stringbean and Magic.
kareem
When it's all said and done I think Kobe will be remembered as the greatest Laker. Right now he's right up there with Magic/Kareem. Another championship before he retires would put him on top by himself IMO.
When he retires he'll be the Lakers all-time leading scorer, the longest tenured player in Lakers history, most games played in a Lakers uniform etc. And most importantly if he wins another ring he won more championships with the Lakers than Kareem/Magic.
Magic was a much better player who won the same number of titles (in a shorter career) and won more MVPs, won more finals MVPs...what is there to discuss?
It's getting close between them, and Kareem. But I would put Kobe 2nd or 3rd still for now.
It's actually a really close comparison, so close that I couldn't decide who I'd take without looking at what the team needs. I like Magic but dude is clearly remembered to be better than he actually was if people think he is this untouchable.
Magic
Why it is so ****ing hard for some people here to accept the fact that Kobe is already the GOAT Lakers.. Are they just in denial or just plain stupid or hater? Even the former GOAT Lakers Magic himself already concede that Kobe is the GOAT Lakers.. Why not accept the truth so everyone here can live happily ever after.. Just like me even tho I hate LeBron, I already accepted the fact that he is the greatest Cavs player.. I dont understand why is so ****ing hard for those LeBrick/Jordan stans to accept Kobe as the GOAT Lakers? I have no problem accepting Jordan or LeBron as the best in their former team.. There's a limit for being a hater people..
- Kobe.....anyone saying otherwise shouldn't even be listened to.
- :roll: at these fools getting mad.
Magic followed by Kobe. Another championship/finals Mvp for Kobe (makes up any statistical advantage) and he's the GOAT Laker.
[QUOTE=r15mohd]Magic
Kareem
Wilt
West
Shaq
Mikan
Baylor
then we can begin to talk Kobe[/QUOTE]
Epic fail
Magic
Kobe
Kareem
West
Magic is the best player to ever play for the Lakers. Magic is also the best Laker. I hate seeing Kareem rated above Magic. Especially when it's clear he was a beastlier player in Milwaukee. Kareem played 14 years to Magic's 12, so it's not like he played a lot longer. Kareem is not better than Magic and this recent wave is annoying and validates too many stupid things.
But anyway...Magic, then Kobe, then Kareem, then West, then Shaq, then Baylor or Mikan. Mikan was in Minnesota and almost feels different for that alone. He won titles tho, while Baylor did not. But Baylor was better. Tho maybe not a stat-padder, he was arguably not as great as his numbers. I don't know.
[QUOTE=r15mohd]Magic
Kareem
Wilt
West
Shaq
Mikan
Baylor
then we can begin to talk Kobe[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHHA.
Even Magic admits Kobe is the best Laker ever. I don't understand how this is even a discussion. Magic is not in Kobe's class as a player and even if he was, Kobe's longevity would win out..
[QUOTE]When he retires he'll be the Lakers all-time leading scorer, the longest tenured player in Lakers history, most games played in a Lakers uniform etc. [/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure he has all these already...
[QUOTE=LamarOdom]It's because the retards in OTC negs just because he is a republican.[/QUOTE]
That's as good a reason to neg someone nowadays:lol
To the topic, Magic...he's the better player overall.
To those who say Kobe, explain how Bryant is greater if by most accounts, Magic is considered a top 3-5 GOAT player while KB maybe cracks the top 10?
Magic gets the nod as greatest Laker because he was personable, people like Magic, but it's funny this never gets mentioned by the very same people when the discussion turns to Magic's place in the GOAT NBA player argument. Suddenly they turn to numbers to make their points
If you take Magic's personality out of the discussion and base it purely on what the players have accomplished Kobe is the greatest Laker ever.
[QUOTE=konex]Even Magic admits Kobe is the best Laker ever. I don't understand how this is even a discussion. Magic is not in Kobe's class as a player and even if he was, Kobe's longevity would win out..[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe can't be argued into the top 6. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Any true Laker fan would say Magic. Anyone saying its not close (for Kobe or Magic) are either stans or haters respectively. It's very close. Magic wins though.
I love how Kobe haters are so quick to point out Kobe's defense nowadays, but when it comes to Kobe vs. Magic, they avoid bringing up defense like the plague. :lol
It's Kobe.
I think Magic is a greater player than Kobe in the sense that he did more for the NBA than Kobe did, but at the same time Kobe is a greater Laker because he has accomplished so much with the team.
Hard one really, but i'd say Kobe is the GOAT Laker, although 30,000 points isn't the deciding factor. If he'd retired with 29,999 points he'd still be just as great as he is with 30k.
As a side note I now have to re evaluate my GOAT list.
I have particular admiration for Magic, he was the most entertaining, magical, worthy of buying a ticket to watch him, basketball player to ever lace em up. Last year I still said Magic, this year I cannot help but say its Kobe, the guys production at this stage is beyond logic, and he wants to win like if he had never won a ring. I think when kobe retires, this won't even be a question. Remember retirement boosts players legacies immediatly, as it puts everything into perspective. When kobe is not around anymore, everyone will realize how unique he was.
Magic Kareem and Shaq are easily above Kobe.
Magic did more in less seasons.
There's no one like Magic really. If he didn't have to retire early, he'd have accomplished much more. :cheers:
Magic/Kobe
3/1 MVPs
3/2 FMVPs
5 championships in less time/5 championships in more time
32+ yr old top 10 team mate / 8 years with top 10 player in his prime & peak
gets everyone involved / keeps chucking the ball causing team mates to be cold
Seems pretty obvious to me.
I think Magic, most easily, the 2nd best player ever. Magic was certainly better. And I don't think longevity is enough to overtake that.
Magic.
I love Kobe but it's still Magic. If Magic would have worn a rubber and not got the HIV it wouldn't even be close. If KB24 can get another championship or two then maybe, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.
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Magic is my all time favorite player. I think he's the most naturally gifted basketball player in history (not talking athleticism, just pure feel for the game). Had his career not been cut short due to the HIV announcement, I feel he would have locked in his place at the top of the GOAT list.
That being said, it's really close. I don't think people truly appreciate what Kobe has done, we take him for granted as fans. When he finally hangs up his shoes, it will be a sad day in the NBA, just as it was when Jordan did, the Captain did, Bird did, etc.
Kobe will retire with every Lakers record, and hopefully 6 or more championships. He will have carried the Lakers franchise for a decade and a half. He will have spread their reach internationally more than any player in history... I believe it's safe to say that he will be named as the Lakers "greatest player". But really in the hall of Lakers heroes none should stand above any other. Without any our franchise is diminished. Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Baylor, West, Worthy, Mikan, Chamberlain, etc... Lakers family is strong.
Magic all the way. Kobe is an arrogant prima Donna with way overrated defense.
[QUOTE=glidedrxlr22]Magic all the way. Kobe is an arrogant prima Donna with way overrated defense.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's arrogance has no place in this discussion as a matter of fact it's what makes him great plus Kobe is a much better defender than Magic ever was.
The weak sauce your peddling stems purely out of a dislike for Kobe.