and wishes he wasn't so lazy. If he would have stayed in shape he could still probably be dominating right now.
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and wishes he wasn't so lazy. If he would have stayed in shape he could still probably be dominating right now.
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]and wishes he wasn't so lazy. If he would have stayed in shape he could still probably be dominating right now.[/QUOTE]
Shaq has always dominated with strength and athleticism.... KG and Duncan have skilled based games so not sure what comparison you're trying to make. Players like KG/Duncan will always age better.
Shaq was drafted in 92 and is 40 years old. Duncan was drafted in 97 and is 36 years old. KG was drafted on 95 and is 36 years old. So how did you come to this conclusion?
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Shaq was drafted in 92 and is 40 years old. Duncan was drafted in 97 and is 36 years old. KG was drafted on 95 and is 36 years old. So how did you come to this conclusion?[/QUOTE]
Uh... he's only 4 years older than both of them. It's not like he's 50. If he wasn't so fat and lazy he could still probably be in the league and averaging at least 15/10.
Do you have to be such a giant douche in every post I make?
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]and wishes he wasn't so lazy. If he would have stayed in shape he could still probably be dominating right now.[/QUOTE]
I hope you see what Shaq is doing and wish you're getting paid like him.
I saw Shaq a couple of months ago and trust me he's not fat for his height. In fact he was huge (as in muscle huge) and considering he was even bigger when he was in the NBA I can see why he was always injured. He should've gone the way of KG and Duncan and just stop lifting weights.
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]Uh... he's only 4 years older than both of them. It's not like he's 50. If he wasn't so fat and lazy he could still probably be in the league and averaging at least 15/10.
Do you have to be such a giant douche in every post I make?[/QUOTE]
4 years is a lot. And he might not be 50, but he is 40. How many players have played past 40? Kareem, Malone, Stockton, Jordan, Kevin Willis, that's it.
You do know no one from the 1992 draft is still playing, no one from the 93 draft either. Hill and Kidd are the on;y players left from the 94 draft. Stackhouse, Wallace, Garnett and Thomas left from the 95 draft.
Okay what about when he was lazy in his mid 30's? What's the excuse then? If he wasn't so lazy he might have been putting up 20/10 at age 36.
That's not the premise of your thread. Don't change the subject.
Shaq averaged 18 and 8 on 61% shooting at 37.
[QUOTE=bstickq1]Shaq averaged 18 and 8 on 61% shooting at 37.[/QUOTE]
and that was with being over weight. Imagine if he had actually stayed in shape in the later half of his career what he could have been doing.
I think Shaq, at 40, if he was still in shape right now could easily be putting up 15/10.
36 yr old Shaq actually had better numbers than what Garnett is putting up now. 36 yr old Duncan's still ahead of both though.
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Shaq played 19 seasons and had a longer prime than both Duncan and Garnett.
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That's what I mean. And that was fat/lazy Shaq still capable of putting up those numbers. If he was in shape he could have easily still been carrying teams to a championship and averaging more than 20 PPG.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Shaq played 19 seasons and had a longer prime than both Duncan and Garnett.
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Also 4 rings. His career is nothing to sneer at.
Shaq played until he was 38, that's not bad at all
[QUOTE=miller-time]Also 4 rings. His career is nothing to sneer at.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But he could have realistically retired with 6 or 7 rings if he really stayed motivated.
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]That's what I mean. And that was fat/lazy Shaq still capable of putting up those numbers. If he was in shape he could have easily still been carrying teams to a championship and averaging more than 20 PPG.[/QUOTE]
It should also be noted that Shaq was playing with Nash and the Suns that season which helped rejuvenate his game somewhat after the last two disappointing seasons in Miami.
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I agree. But he could have realistically retired with 6 or 7 rings if he really stayed motivated.[/QUOTE]
you don't know that. he had problems with arthritis which effected him even in his laker days
Shaq's longevity is overrated. The guy clearly milked his career as much as he could. His days in Boston were laughable. 36 year old Shaq was also playing with Nash, Amare, Hill, Bell, etc.. and then Shaq played with Lebron... Tim Duncan and KG would be pretty sick with those teammates.
OP is one of the most unintelligent people on this board, if not the most. I've never seen him make a decent thread.
Shaq hurt is achilles, and was going to take over 1 year to recovery, especially at 300 pounds, so he retired.
[QUOTE=miller-time]Also 4 rings. His career is nothing to sneer at.[/QUOTE]
This. Shaq likely monitors what Duncan is doing, but KG has nothing on Shaq's career, so I doubt he worries about him.
Shaq was still good at old age. He wasn't first option like KG & Duncan though. This is what happens if you sign up with every team available.
If KG & Duncan would went other teams they wouldn't average these numbers.
[QUOTE=plowking]OP is one of the most unintelligent people on this board, if not the most. I've never seen him make a decent thread.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you're not a douche or anything. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Sharmer]Shaq hurt is achilles, and was going to take over 1 year to recovery, especially at 300 pounds, so he retired.[/QUOTE]
he also had problems with a toe, right ?
Why is OP acting like size wasn't a big part of Shaq's success? He want scoring by using foot work of shooting from 15-18 ft away. He used his sheer size and strength to back players down, to move them, to take up space.
What would losing weight or muscle accomplish for his game?
OP just proving himself to be a moron.
he played a lot longer and at a much higher level than most people expected. plenty of people no one ever expected more from work ethic wise were not good players at nearly the age he was.
Old Shaq could have been better if he had better work ethic and more passion for the game.
But that goes for prime Shaq as well really.
if shaq stayed at his orlando weight then his body wouldn't of had to carry so much weight, but then again that weight allowed him to destroy opponents. However, shaq was useless out side of the paint.
Shaq is one of the best centers ever. He played the game like no one else....no one got beat up and hacked like he did.
And we have a lazy, fat, half crazy poster dissing him when he couldn't even make his 6th grade team, smh.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Shaq is one of the best centers ever. He played the game like no one else....no one got beat up and hacked like he did.
And we have a lazy, fat, half crazy poster dissing him when he couldn't even make his 6th grade team, smh.[/QUOTE]
That's half of ISH in a nutshell, my dude. :oldlol:
Shaq pretty much became a TV announcer within hours of retiring :oldlol:
He should have called it quits a couple of seasons - and teams - before he did.
[quote=ConanRulesNBC]Uh... he's only 4 years older than both of them.[/quote]
HUGE difference in the basketball world! That's 328 more games not including preseason and postseason!
Yes, Shaq's size helped him to dominate. But if he could have developed more skill like Duncan and KG along with staying in shape so he could play more (I mean the guy sat out A LOT during the regular season in the later half of his career) he could have been even better.
I'm not saying he sucked. He retired with 4 championships and was the most physically dominating center in the history of the NBA. But I just wonder if he had a better work ethic how much better he could have been.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Shaq is one of the best centers ever. He played the game like no one else....no one got beat up and hacked like he did.
And we have a lazy, fat, half crazy poster dissing him when he couldn't even make his 6th grade team, smh.[/QUOTE]
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This coming from a guy who defended Eddy Curry as if he wasn't the laziest, fattest NBA player ever.
F*ck off dude. Seriously.
[QUOTE=Artillery]36 yr old Shaq actually had better numbers than what Garnett is putting up now. 36 yr old Duncan's still ahead of both though.
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No their not. KG have the best FT %
I love how Shaq retires and now everyone defends him like he was so perfect. Come on, after he won that last championship in Miami he became fat and lazy. Actually he was fat and lazy after he won his first championship in LA but managed to win two more and then became so fat and lazy he couldn't win another one in LA. He only got motivated again for two more seasons in Miami and could only win one more championship.
Come on. Enough defending him already. The guy was a lazy fat f*ck in the later half of his career and if he had the work ethic of Duncan and KG he could have been so much better.
[QUOTE=plowking]OP is one of the most unintelligent people on this board, if not the most. I've never seen him make a decent thread.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know what threads you've made. But you sound like a major douchebag so I don't really give a shit.
[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]and that was with being over weight. Imagine if he had actually stayed in shape in the later half of his career what he could have been doing.
I think Shaq, at 40, if he was still in shape right now could easily be putting up 15/10.[/QUOTE]
What about the pounding he took through out his career in the paint? Yes, he was lazy but you gotta factor in his style of play. His weight and size.
Yao, who isn't fat and was a hardworker, couldn't even play pass the age of 30 because he couldn't get his left foot fixed.
For Shaq for to play nearly 20 seasons is quite remarkable. At 36, his 2008-09 season in Phoenix looked impressive. 75 games, 17.8PPG, 8.4 RPG, 60%FG
10 games above .500 but missed the playoffs b/c of the stacked WC.