wade with a revealing quote about the changing mentality of NBA players

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kobe wouldnt even dream of shooting 50%

efficiency helps you win ball games dumbass :lol

Pleasure of taking 30+ shots >>>> pleasure of shooting 50% on 10 shots

:lol

[QUOTE=red1]efficiency helps you win ball games dumbass :lol[/QUOTE]
i don't think its great that your star players are hesitant to shoot because they are worried about their percentage

6-24? just another day in the office

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[QUOTE=red1]efficiency helps you win ball games dumbass :lol[/QUOTE]
years that the PER leader has won the championship?

[QUOTE=blablabla]i don't think its great that your star players are hesitant to shoot because they are worried about their percentage[/QUOTE]
You see, that right there is the story that op is trying to fabricate. I have dealt with this f*gg*t before so I know his ways. I have never seen dwade "scared to shoot because he wants to protect his percentage."

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]years that the PER leader has won the championship?[/QUOTE]
Lebron is a smarter player than kobe. Better player too. No troll

if you notice, lebron will never shoot the ball at the end of the first three quarters to save his fg%. he will get the ball and there will be like 2 sec left he will never shoot it. he will just let the time run out because he doesnt want to shoot a low percentage shot, even if there is a chance it could put his team up by more.

if lebron didnt play to save his fg% he would be shooting 45% probably.

Players have probably been fully cognizant of their stats and efficiency for decades. I don't put much stock into this being something new.

Why is this clown pretending to be a Wade fan still? Answer this, OP, don't be a coward. And change your avatar and title to something about Kobe. Much more appropriate.




































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[QUOTE=SCdac]Players have probably been fully cognizant of their stats and efficiency for decades. I don't put much stock into this being something new.[/QUOTE]
I fully agree players have always been cognizant of stats

but it's which stats are considered important that have changed. in early 2000s it was just about PPG hence you had a wealth of volume shooters

now it's all about efficiency. so all the players now try to have high fg% and volume shooting is considered outmoded and relegated.

[QUOTE]Why is this clown pretending to be a Wade fan still? Answer this, OP, don't be a coward. And change your avatar and title to something about Kobe. Much more appropriate.
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no

3rd option on a stacked team should shoot a high FG%.....:confusedshrug:

Wade has now become a Byron Scott level player on the Showtime Lakers.

nba is a joke these days. most these clowns rather shoot 50% in a season than tp win a ring. :facepalm

News flash:
Players have ALWAYS cared about stats. Wilt was often conscious of his stats. Kareem was very upset that Jerry West was awarded the '70 scoring title because of the change from totals to per game. Magic and Bird admitted that they would get up the next morning and look at the paper for each others' stats just to see who was doing better. MJ was found checking the scorer's table in the middle of games just to see how close he was to triple doubles. What D Wade and Lebron are doing is nothing new whatsoever. Plus an awareness of fg% has nothing to do with Hollinger's popularization of advanced stats. FG% has been recorded for decades and several players across the generations have been aware of their shooting efficiency.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Players have probably been fully cognizant of their stats and efficiency for decades. I don't put much stock into this being something new.[/QUOTE]

Beat me to it.

I think this is a good thread topic. I mean sure, good efficiency usually equals better production, but players can get obsessed with those numbers too much. I've certainly seen it happen in cricket where certain players will get tied up playing for their average or personal milestones and settling for a drawn match instead of a win for their team. In basketball that can translate into holding off from taking that tough last second shot instead of passing the ball to a lesser shooter.

The best way to use these statistics is to modify your game so you naturally achieve good %ages instead of forcing the issue, which I'm sure is easier said than done.

[QUOTE=jlip]News flash:
Players have ALWAYS cared about stats. Wilt was often conscious of his stats. Kareem was very upset that Jerry West was awarded the '70 scoring title because of the change from totals to per game. Magic and Bird admitted that they would get up the next morning and look at the paper for each others' stats just to see who was doing better. MJ was found checking the scorer's table in the middle of games just to see how close he was to triple doubles. What D Wade and Lebron are doing is nothing new whatsoever. Plus an awareness of fg% has nothing to do with Hollinger's popularization of advanced stats. FG% has been recorded for decades and several players across the generations have been aware of their shooting efficiency.[/QUOTE]

Again I'm not protesting that players have always cared about stats, in fact that's the genesis of this thread. You can't tell me that any point in NBA history has efficiency stats being emphasized and glorified the way it is now. This elevation of efficiency stats has had a real impact on players play the game. Players always play based on what is valued by the general public and now that's efficiency.

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]I fully agree players have always been cognizant of stats

but it's which stats are considered important that have changed. in early 2000s it was just about PPG hence you had a wealth of volume shooters

now it's all about efficiency. so all the players now try to have high fg% and volume shooting is considered outmoded and relegated.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe that at all. I think we just have two players who have matured, are going on their 10th season, and see their all-time rank rising (see the light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak).

I doubt young Derrick Rose in mid-game was sacrificing his opportunities for the sake of FG efficiency. Maybe to get a better shot within the offense, but not for individual gain.

Like Lebron, I see all of this as more of a young vs. old thing...

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It also means they're looking for the best looking high % shot as possible. This is better than fading over 2 defenders...

statutory please stop failing and taking losses I am starting to feel sorry for you and I dont like that feeling

It is telling. Today's players are more worried about looking good on paper (stat sheets).

[QUOTE=nightprowler10]I think this is a good thread topic. I mean sure, good efficiency usually equals better production, but players can get obsessed with those numbers too much. I've certainly seen it happen in cricket where certain players will get tied up playing for their average or personal milestones and settling for a drawn match instead of a win for their team. In basketball that can translate into holding off from taking that tough last second shot instead of passing the ball to a lesser shooter.

The best way to use these statistics is to modify your game so you naturally achieve good %ages instead of forcing the issue, which I'm sure is easier said than done.[/QUOTE]I am in agreement with you. Like most topics, I think there's two sides to this story. All players obviously cannot be so choosy that they only opt to shoot when it's a wide open dunk. On the flip side, they also can't opt to shoot every single time down the floor.

The entire game of basketball consists of finding the right mix. Flat out chasing a points per game average without at least [i]kind of[/i] taking efficiency into account would be and always has been very misguided. I had a teammate who seemed to be chasing a points quota my sophomore year. He took 70 more shots than anyone else on the team and shot at a 27% clip. It wasn't pretty.

Again though, on the other hand, if players are constantly thinking about their running field goal percentage, I can see how that'd be a detriment as well. I'd say the best goal would be to worry about taking good shots, period. If a player's taking shots that are of the highest quality for their team on a given possession, they should not worry about a thing. But if they're just out there firing up terrible shots because "that's how they play", then yes, a change might be in order.

[QUOTE=red1]6-24? just another day in the office

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You still mad that boston lost?

Yeah, being efficient and maximizing possesions on a consistent basis. Why would any player want to do that?

Man ill take Lebron pull up jumper over a defender than UD 20 foot open jumper. Ill take a Kobe fadeaway over a defender than an open 3 from Blake. Some things you give and take. Casual fans dont care about stats. They see W or L. The hardcore fans are the ones that nitpick that stuff which causes debates all over threads. If Kobe bricks a gamewinner over a defender we say bad shot, Lebron would have found a better shot. If Lebron passes a game winner opportunity, we say Kobe will never pass that up. If Kobe hits a gamewinner we go all hail clutchbe. If Lebron hits a gamewinner we say lucky shot.

Proof those guys in miami are nothing but clowns. Kobe please, never retire, use robotic limbs or w/e it takes, we want true winners out there.

red1 all over this thread trying to defend lebron and wade, slurping their coock :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=BlueandGold]You still mad that boston lost?[/QUOTE]
Buck foston that series was a LOL for me. I am just saying that kobe has a chucker mentality and OP is trying to act like that is superior to having an efficiency mentality

[QUOTE=ripthekik]red1 all over this thread trying to defend lebron and wade, slurping their coock :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
How did the 2012 playoffs feel f*ckboy? Now that they won together you lost all of your weak ammo.

Deal with it


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[QUOTE=JellyBean]It is telling. Today's players are more worried about looking good on paper (stat sheets).[/QUOTE]
where as Kobe is more worried about looking good on ESPN (highlights)

Wade and Lebron are the type that won't toss a half court shot at the end of the quarter just to protect their FG%. Kobe will, because he's not a puussy that cares about stats, and he'll do anything to give his team an advantage.

and in other news, red1 continues to slurp that juice off bron's diick :oldlol:

enough with your homoerotic imagery keep that shit inside your mind next time

[QUOTE=Rake2204]I am in agreement with you. Like most topics, I think there's two sides to this story. All players obviously cannot be so choosy that they only opt to shoot when it's a wide open dunk. On the flip side, they also can't opt to shoot every single time down the floor.

The entire game of basketball consists of finding the right mix. Flat out chasing a points per game average without at least [i]kind of[/i] taking efficiency into account would be and always has been very misguided. I had a teammate who seemed to be chasing a points quota my sophomore year. He took 70 more shots than anyone else on the team and shot at a 27% clip. It wasn't pretty.

Again though, on the other hand, if players are constantly thinking about their running field goal percentage, I can see how that'd be a detriment as well.[B] I'd say the best goal would be to worry about taking good shots, period[/B]. If a player's taking shots that are of the highest quality for their team on a given possession, they should not worry about a thing. [B]But if they're just out there firing up terrible shots because "that's how they play", then yes, a change might be in order.[/B][/QUOTE]

Agreed... especially with the bolded.

And some players rise from average to All-Stars once they start doing this.

A prime example is Tony Parker.

His first few years in the league, he was attempting a large amount of three pointers (trigger happy). And it wasn't always pretty because he had a faulty jump shot.

01-02: 2.5... 9.2 ppg (.42 FG%)
02-03: 3.0... 15.5 ppg (.46 FG%)
03-04: 2.7... 14.7 ppg (.45 FG%)
04-05: 2.0... 16.6 ppg (.48 FG%)

Then, in 2006, he stopped taking three's (in part due to Pop's orders), he became the most efficient PG in the league, one of the best finishers of all positions, and it opened things up for the Spurs shooters (as defenders collapsed on Parker).

05-06: 0.5... 18.9 ppg (.55 FG%)... first AS appearance
06-07: 0.5... 18.6 ppg (.52 FG%)... second AS appearance... Finals MVP.

Since then, Parker has been living in the paint and been the PG we pretty much all recognize today as efficient and taking the best shots for himself and the team. He's taken no where close to 3 three's a game since his sophomore season. At that time of his improvement, 05-07, Parker was also working with Chip Engelland to revamp his jumper, and it helped immensely (see: 07 playoffs). Nowadays, Parker's jumper is solid, but it took discipline and hard work.

[QUOTE=ripthekik]Wade and Lebron are the type that won't toss a half court shot at the end of the quarter just to protect their FG%. Kobe will, because he's not a puussy that cares about stats, and he'll do anything to give his team an advantage.

and in other news, red1 continues to slurp that juice off bron's diick :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

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A player that wants to take efficient shots within the context of an offense ... Wow, what an idiot. :rolleyes:

LeBron and Wade are winning games, and are the defending champions. Just saying, whatever they are doing is working so idiots need to stop acting like they're hurting their team or some bullshit.

I'm pretty sure Kobe thinks he can hit 100% of the shots he takes. Doesn't know when to stop shooting fadeaways.

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron and Wade are winning games, and are the defending champions. Just saying, whatever they are doing is working so idiots need to stop acting like they're hurting their team or some bullshit.[/QUOTE]

Yep.