You know What really "Grinds my gears?"

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You know what really Grinds my gears? If Rose was never hurt, and Chicago was first in their division and 3 overall in the east... He would be ahead of Carmelo and maybe even Lebron (cuz we all hate Lebron) in the MVP race.

People would be carrying on about how he is doing it with a cast of role players and how he makes people around him better.

People would be saying he is better than the likes of Wade because Wade would never be able to have that kinda record with this kinda team at this stage in his career.

People would be saying Kobe needs to take notes.

But now that this team is succeeding on their own... do they get any credit? Hell no. People are just waiting for Rose to get back so they can see a spectacular Dunk.

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News Flash!!! Spectacular Dunks and Layups are not what makes Chicago the Chicago bulls good. Cross overs and chest pounding is not what wins games.

Rose is just glider. Nothing else. This team thrives on great defense and consistency. Sharing the ball. Trusting each other.

Many would Argue that Rose will make them a contender. Again, no he wont. What makes them a contender is great defense and consistency. Sharing the ball. Trusting each other.


And that, Insidehoops... is what really Grinds my gears

LeBron owns Rose's soul

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]LeBron owns My soul[/QUOTE]

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As a Bulls fan, we can't win it all without Rose. But having Rose gives us a chance.

Bulls win their games with defense, rebounding, and having an unselfish team concept that is usually executed really well. But how many times have we seen Rose take over a close game in the 4th and lead Chicago to a victory? He's a closer, and you're drunk if you don't think he makes Chicago a much more complete team.

[QUOTE=(e)]As a Bulls fan, we can't win it all without Rose. But having Rose gives us a chance.

Bulls win their games with defense, rebounding, and having an unselfish team concept that is usually executed really well. But how many times have we seen Rose take over a close game in the 4th and lead Chicago to a victory? He's a closer, and you're drunk if you don't think he makes Chicago a much more complete team.[/QUOTE]

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That is Bull Crap sir. Have they not been making clutch plays without him? Are they not on par to match or exceed last years record with out him? Did he make them a contender when Lebron put the clamps on him in the playoffs last year?

He is only there as the face of the team. Yeah he gets all the credit, but he is not the reason for their success.

The minute he gets back and does one reverse dunk you wil hear "THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE BACK!!!"

:coleman:

I don't know man...He's the star of the team. They can only go so far without him. He's like the cherry on top of a very solid team (defensively). He hasn't had that much playoff experience, so it's not fair to judge his past performances as the end all. His ceiling was high (this obviously changed after he tore his acl). And....he does make them a contender imo. If he can be close to as explosive as he was, they are contenders, no denying that.

[QUOTE=SwayDizzle]I don't know man...He's the star of the team. They can only go so far without him. He's like the cherry on top of a very solid team (defensively). He hasn't had that much playoff experience, so it's not fair to judge his past performances as the end all. His ceiling was high (this obviously changed after he tore his acl). And....he does make them a contender imo. If he can be close to as explosive as he was, they are contenders, no denying that.[/QUOTE]


And that there is the problem. He hasn

[QUOTE=Joey3000]And that there is the problem. He hasn

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pls tell us OP. how many bulls games did you watch in 2011-2012? be honest. 3?:roll:

and do you really believe melo is above rose? rofl.

and for you to say if rose was healthy they would be 3rd in conference. LOL they would be first, like they have been the last 2 years

[QUOTE=Crown&Coke]They can win without him in the regular season. But the playoffs one guy can put you over the top.

You got a legit gripe, the Bulls are playing amazing together and that defense is still one of the best. But when the game is on the line and buttholes pucker up in the crunch, I want Rose out there rather than not[/QUOTE]


But look at them this season, they have won in the clutch. Guys like Boozer, Deng and even Noah have made huge plays in the lutch that have decided games.

I understand the playoffs are different, but what has he done in the playoffs thats so great? He lead the team to 4 straight loses against Miami. in those 4 games, the Rose lead bulls didnt even put up a fight.


I for one think they are deadlier now than last year because Lebron cant put the clamps on 5 players on the floor. No heroes, you just gotta gaurd everybody.

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pls tell us OP. how many bulls games did you watch in 2011-2012? be honest. 3?:roll:

and do you really believe melo is above rose? rofl.

and for you to say if rose was healthy they would be 3rd in conference. LOL they would be first, like they have been the last 2 years[/QUOTE]

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You know what really Grinds my Gears? Making baseless comments and following them by ":roll: and :oldlol: " like you just stated facts and killed my whole argument.

That really grinds my gears.

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You know what really Grinds my Gears? Making baseless comments and following them by ":roll: and :oldlol: " like you just stated facts and killed my whole argument.

That really grinds my gears.[/QUOTE]

baseless? my questions were to expose you as an ignorant basketball fan and your beliefs as laughable.

again, you actually think melo is better than rose :roll:

and i also stated facts to prove you as an idiot. since the bulls were first in the nba both seasons prior with a .70 win percentage, and you stating they would be 3rd this year with a healthy rose is idiotic.:roll:

again, so be real. how many bulls games did you watch in 2011-2012

i just did some stat checking knowing i would prove this idiot wrong. here are the bulls records against the [B]top 8 [/B]teams in the league for 3 seasons one with a healthy rose, one with a semi healthy rose, and one with no rose.

2010-2011 (healthy rose)
14-7

2011-2012 (semi healthy rose)
9-6

2012-2013 (no rose)
4-5


That decline :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :banana:

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I agree that Rose got too much credit for the Bulls' turnaround when a big reason was their defense/becoming becoming elite, but this team could definitely use his offensive impact. The Bulls last year were a legit contender IMO because they were good at both ends, and if they didn't get hit by injuries I wonder how far they could've gone. This year, they're still good defensively despite losing Brewer/Asik, but they've fallen off on offense... that's where his impact is felt. They were a cohesive unit with Rose last year offensively and the ball movement was much improved from a year before, but now they're sorely missing that. He would've been the difference between the Bulls being a playoff team and a contender depending on how he developed.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]LeBron owns Rose's soul[/QUOTE]
This is like saying THE SPURS OWN LEBRON's SOUL a couple years after the fact, as if he can't get better

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]baseless? my questions were to expose you as an ignorant basketball fan and your beliefs as laughable.

again, you actually think melo is better than rose :roll:

and i also stated facts to prove you as an idiot. since the bulls were first in the nba both seasons prior with a .70 win percentage, and you stating they would be 3rd this year with a healthy rose is idiotic.:roll:

again, so be real. how many bulls games did you watch in 2011-2012[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: Last year about this time Chicago was at 5-5.:lol Right at .500. It was a short season,:oldlol: but :roll: they are playing more now:cheers: without him and winning more.:applause: :rockon:


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Do you see what I did there? do you see? I just made a bunch of "Facts" that has nothing to do with the original argument. put a bunch of smilies by them. and felt good about myself.

And that kinda stuff really "grinds my gears".

Bulls fans are supposed to give a **** what you think, why exactly???

We're the ones that get to enjoy all his breath taking moments, while you sit on the side lines hating.

#THERETURN

[QUOTE=chazzy]I agree that Rose got too much credit for the Bulls' turnaround when a big reason was their defense/becoming becoming elite, but this team could definitely use his offensive impact. The Bulls last year were a legit contender IMO because they were good at both ends, and if they didn't get hit by injuries I wonder how far they could've gone. This year, they're still good defensively despite losing Brewer/Asik, but they've fallen off on offense... that's where his impact is felt. They were a cohesive unit with Rose last year offensively and the ball movement was much improved from a year before, but now they're sorely missing that. He would've been the difference between the Bulls being a playoff team and a contender depending on how he developed.

This is like saying THE SPURS OWN LEBRON's SOUL a couple years after the fact, as if he can't get better[/QUOTE]


I'm not saying Rose is not a good player. I'm just saying that this team does more for him than he does for them. He is known as the "Most Valuable player" on that team, yet if I take out Noah and Deng for example and put him in... that team is not going to the playoffs. Chicago is a "real" team.

Would he make them better? YES. Are they doomed with out him? check their record.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]:oldlol: [B]Last year about this time Chicago was at 5-5[/B].:lol Right at .500. It was a short season,:oldlol: but :roll: they are playing more now:cheers: without him and winning more.:applause: :rockon:


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Do you see what I did there? do you see? I just made a bunch of "Facts" that has nothing to do with the original argument. put a bunch of smilies by them. and felt good about myself.

And that kinda stuff really "grinds my gears".[/QUOTE]

lol, exposed as an ignorant guesser. last year bulls were 23-7 midway through the season :roll:

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]lol, exposed as an ignorant guesser. last year bulls were 23-7 midway through the season :roll:[/QUOTE]

Save your time and energy bro. You know you've made it, when you have this many haters.

[QUOTE=tikay0]Bulls fans are supposed to give a **** what you think, why exactly???

We're the ones that get to enjoy all his breath taking moments, while you sit on the side lines hating.

#THERETURN[/QUOTE]

Breath taking moments are nice. I have no problem with that.

But dont make it more than what it is.

Making statements like Rose is heads and shoulders above the following players:

Carmelo
Westbrook
Chris freaking Paul
Rondo
etc

When he has done nothing to back up those arguements really "Grinds my gears"

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]i just did some stat checking knowing i would prove this idiot wrong. here are the bulls records against the [B]top 8 [/B]teams in the league for 3 seasons one with a healthy rose, one with a semi healthy rose, and one with no rose.

2010-2011 (healthy rose)
14-7

2011-2012 (semi healthy rose)
9-6

2012-2013 (no rose)
4-5


That decline :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :banana:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]lol, exposed as an ignorant guesser. last year bulls were 23-7 midway through the season :roll:[/QUOTE]

My point was that it was a short season. and as of Jan 31/2012 Chicago was 5-5.

Stop grinding my gears.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Breath taking moments are nice. I have no problem with that.

But dont make it more than what it is.

Making statements like Rose is heads and shoulders above the following players:

Carmelo
Westbrook
Chris freaking Paul
Rondo
etc

When he has done nothing to back up those arguements really "Grinds my gears"[/QUOTE]

I'd take him over any of those players. I'm not even saying that as a Bulls fan. He owns them all H2H, besides Carmelo, due to position.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Breath taking moments are nice. I have no problem with that.

But dont make it more than what it is.

[B]Making statements like Rose is heads and shoulders above the following players:

Carmelo
Westbrook
Chris freaking Paul
Rondo
etc

When he has done nothing to back up those arguements[/B] really "Grinds my gears"[/QUOTE]

are you stupid? you created the thread, you made the "statement" first with "nothing to back up those arguements":facepalm

i gave you stats, made you look like an idiot, exposed u as a guesser, and you know damn well youve watched 3 bulls games each season.

end this thread.

Yeah, yeah, it's bleacher reports, but check this out TS.

[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/812771-derrick-rose-and-the-top-five-point-guards-based-on-head-to-head-contests[/url]

ETHER.

[QUOTE=tikay0]I'd take him over any of those players. I'm not even saying that as a Bulls fan. He owns them all H2H, besides Carmelo, due to position.[/QUOTE]


I have no problem with you taking him over any of them. That

rose is chicago's son. he is the heir apparent even though no one will ever come close again. i have no problem with bulls fans overrating him. every teams fans do that. i am more subjective with melo, i feel like he needs to D up properly to ever be amongst the elite.

he is the closer. which is not to say they cant close without him. belinelli has hit game winners, deng has as well. what they can no longer say is that "this team wouldn't even make the playoffs with him" like they were doing all throughout his mvp season. i had no problem with him winning the mvp either, i may not think he deserved it but he was easily the best player on the team with the best record.

as a knicks fan, i've already seen them get owned 3 times against the bulls without him. i welcome him back, maybe it will give them more of a chance :lol smh

[QUOTE=Joey3000]I have no problem with you taking him over any of them. That

[QUOTE=tikay0]Yeah, yeah, it's bleacher reports, but check this out TS.

[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/812771-derrick-rose-and-the-top-five-point-guards-based-on-head-to-head-contests[/url]

ETHER.[/QUOTE]

So him out playing those guys has nothing to do with his team

[QUOTE=Joey3000]I have no problem with you taking him over any of them. That

Rose must be coming back soon because the haters are getting in mid-season troll form.

Thats all the time we have today. Tune in next time for another episode of

"What really Grinds my gears"

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[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]:roll:

pls tell us OP. how many bulls games did you watch in 2011-2012? be honest. 3?:roll:

[B]and do you really believe melo is above rose? rofl.[/B]

and for you to say if rose was healthy they would be 3rd in conference. LOL they would be first, like they have been the last 2 years[/QUOTE]
You can definitely make a case that Melo is playing better than 2011 Rose this year.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Thats all the time we have today. Tune in next time for another episode of

"What really Grinds my gears"

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Bro. If you would've proven a point, this would've been some what amusing, but you came in here, and made an ass out of yourself.

Your now, bowing out in defeat, and trying to be funny about it.

You got sonned by nearly every Bulls fan in here.

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Bulls offense with Rose: #5
Bulls offense without Rose: #21

Them "sharing the ball" means nothing when they have zero play-makers and scorers. They've survived without him because of their amazing defense, but won't do anything in the playoffs. Another 1st-round exit unless he comes back.

Basically,

Bulls with healthy Rose: 62+ wins/Very strong contender
Bulls with without Rose: Solid team that has no chance to win it all.

[QUOTE=tikay0]Bro. If you would've proven a point, this would've been some what amusing, but you came in here, and made an ass out of yourself.

Your now, bowing out in defeat, and trying to be funny about it.

You got sonned by nearly every Bulls fan in here.

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No I made all my points. Yall got butt hurt and started putting up a bunch of smilies thinking your making points.

the only point that OP has proven was the point that he is a low IQ nba fan.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]No I made all my points. Yall got butt hurt and started putting up a bunch of smilies thinking your making points.[/QUOTE]

are you this delusional? you made no points at all, you gave us a poor opinion.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]are you this delusional? you made no points at all, you gave us a poor opinion.[/QUOTE]


Here are my points:

[LIST][*]The Bulls are obviously not a bad team with out Rose.[/LIST]

[LIST][*]The Bulls as a team dont get enough credit for what they are doing with out their star player.[/LIST]

[LIST][*]People act like Rose has lead this team to huge wins in the playoffs, but cant name any of these Huge wins since all the teams they haven beaten have been teams that were not that great.[/LIST]


Infact, theres nothing to dispute here. Those are all facts.