Michael Jordan WON a championship by himself. Many are just Ignorant about it on ISH

Biggest F'ing Joke. [B]MJ couldn't win a ring without Pippen[/B]. :lol

[b]Fact 1[/b]: 1991 NBA Champions, BULLS had only [u][B]one a.k.a. Single All-star in their whole roster[/U][/b]. His name was a SG called Michael Jeffery Jordan. [B]rest were still 1987 -1991 "Jordanaires" (incl. Pippen)[/B]

[b]Fact 2[/b]:In 1991, [b][U]Scottie Pippen was NOT even good enough to secure all-star 2nd team spot[/u][/b]. let alone becoming all-star starter from the East in 1991.

[b]Fact 3[/b]:[B][U]Pippen matured in 1992 season into an all-star starter[/U][/B] & a legit threat as a complete player at both ends of the court. BUT. MJ has already won a ring by then. so pressure is off Scottie completely so he blossomed.

[b]Fact 4[/b]: How did MJ won a ring by himself? [B][U]He averaged [SIZE="3"]11.4 [/SIZE]Asists [/U]after scoring 31.2 Pts & 6.6 Rebs[/U][/b]

1991 NBA Finals. Besides Guarding Magic, [B][U]Pippen had ZERO responsibility offensively[/U][/B]. MJ dished out all the assists while taking over the clutch every single game & also making key steals.

Pippen was just [B]not[/B] good enough yet in 1991. [B]Many here FAIL to understand this very logic here[/B].

Pippen became The Great Scottie Pippen from 1992 season NOT 1991.

& this is how MJ revolutionized the game forever. He did what bigger, taller Clyde in 1989 Finals. couldn't do as perimeter player despite having an all-star terry porter

[B]Backcourt perimeter player like Magic needed 2 HOF all-stars to win titles.

Backcourt perimeter player like Bird needed 2 HOF all-stars to win titles[/B].

[B][SIZE="3"]Michael Jordan is the only "BACKCOURT PERIMETER" player in the NBA History to win a title by himself WITHOUT any help as a lone all-star on a bulls roster.... Hence the GOAT title forever.[/SIZE][/B]

This feat has NEVER been repeated even to this day. that incl. LBJ etc etc

Faaking [B]Kobe as a lone all-star on LAL roster cound'nt even make it to POs.or if he did, lost the series being up 3-1[/B] :roll:

[B]Even though Dirk won as lone MAVs all-star in 2011 BUT he is a 7-footer playing forward in a weak era with rules in his favor.

Lone perimeter backcourt all-star will never do it again despite rules favoring him in today's era.

MJ IS THE ONLY ONE.[/B] :coleman:

And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time.

Nobody wins a championship by themselfs lol. You got no clue about basketball.

who cares? why are you living in the past?

[QUOTE=kmartshopper]And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time.[/QUOTE]

No matter how much MJ haters, other stans, homers or kobe'tards or half retards try

facts are facts.

Pippen DID NOT make it to 1991 All-star line up even as a reserve.

Pippen WAS NOT injured in 1991 season.

MJ won 1991 title without a real sidekick.

MJ won 1991 title with the "same jordanaires" which incl. still maturing pippen & grant.

[B]This is The Kind of Crap I Had to Put Up With In the 90s while Not Being a Jordan Fan :facepalm :rolleyes: . What Where Pippen`s Numbers In the 1991 Finals? Especially Would Like to See Those In Game 5....Someone?[/B]

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Many here FAIL to understand this very logic here[/QUOTE]
You fail to understand that Pippen not an all star is not equal MJ won by himself.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]This is The Kind of Crap I Had to Put Up With In the 90s while Not Being a Jordan Fan :facepalm :rolleyes: . What Where Pippen`s Numbers In the 1991 Finals? Especially Would Like to See Those In Game 5....Someone?[/B][/QUOTE]

Live wit it bro.

J[B]ordan didnt won anytihng wihtout Pippen is a joke.:roll: funny thing is, even Barkley says that on TNT & TBS & other interviews.[/B]

[B]Pippen was already 25 yrs old in 1991. He still failed to make to all-star reserves list. He's being a pro since 1987.[/B]

By going by ISHers logic here, MJ should've lost 1991 NBA Finals & win the next year in 1992 as Pippen becomes a perfect combo to MJ.

[QUOTE=iamgine]You fail to understand that Pippen not an all star is not equal [B]MJ won by himself[/B].[/QUOTE]

If 1991 Pippen is not 2000 Kobe to Shaq

If 1991 Pippen is not 2012 Wade to LBJ

then 1991 MJ won it by himself as Bulls were still called "MICHAEL & the Jordanaires"

BTW, this is no KNOCK on 1992-1998 Pippen who was a great player.

ISH should make a seperate "Historic players" forum.

Obvious trolling

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[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Live wit it bro.

J[B]ordan didnt won anytihng wihtout Pippen is a joke.:roll: funny thing is, even Barkley says that on TNT & TBS & other interviews.[/B]

[B]Pippen was already 25 yrs old in 1991. He still failed to make to all-star reserves list. He's being a pro since 1987.[/B]

By going by ISHers logic here, MJ should've lost 1991 NBA Finals & win the next year in 1992 as Pippen becomes a perfect combo to MJ.[/QUOTE]

[B]:oldlol: Nice Try :facepalm :rolleyes:

Barkley Never Said What You Say About Pippen. Bull. He Actually Said Jordan Was Lucky to Play With Pippen in His Prime, as Well as Grant and Rodman!. Jordan had 2 All Stars Back Him Up In Their Primes and His Prime His Whole Career.

Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.

He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.

He Had More Responsabilities than Jordan because He Was the Point-Forward Under a Trinagle that Diminished His Stats. He Had To Do More Stuff than Just Score. Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)

He Had To Create (Something Jordan finally Accepted since Phil Was Trying to Make Jordan Understand This and Finally It Happened), Be the 2nd Lead Scorer, Be The 2nd Lead Rebounder, Be The Best Defender, Be The Best Team Defender and Play as a Teamate More than a Star.

Pippen`s 1991 Stats while Being the Best Individual Defender For Those Play-Offs and Finals (Defensive Rating Agrees): 20.8 PPG (45.3% FG), 9.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.4 SPG and 1.0 BPG.

If Those are Not All Star Level Stats Then What Are? [/B]

Jordan was playing against weak 6 footers. He was being guarded by these guys.:oldlol:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFDTe5kqxKM[/url]

[QUOTE=ac_gold_26]Nobody wins a championship by themselfs lol. You got no clue about basketball.[/QUOTE]
THIS :applause:

team defense dude. yes jordan was by far the best player by then in the game, but team defense involves more than 1 guy. i dont care if he was defensive player of the year, mvp, horseradish of the year, basketball means you win with good role play from the rest of your team. this is no slight to him, believe that.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]This is The Kind of Crap I Had to Put Up With In the 90s while Not Being a Jordan Fan :facepalm :rolleyes: . What Where Pippen`s Numbers In the 1991 Finals? Especially Would Like to See Those In Game 5....Someone?[/B][/QUOTE]

:facepalm :facepalm

How about Game 1. when Bulls went down 0-1

How about Game 3 OT numbers as MJ took over

Game 5 isn't the only game of NBA Finals.

reality is Pippen didnt mature into an all-star till age 26 in 1992.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]:oldlol: Nice Try :facepalm :rolleyes:

Barkley Never Said What You Say About Pippen. Bull. He Actually Said Jordan Was Lucky to Play With Pippen in His Prime, as Well as Grant and Rodman!. Jordan had 2 All Stars Back Him Up In Their Primes and His Prime His Whole Career.

Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.

He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.

He Had More Responsabilities than Jordan because He Was the Point-Forward Under a Trinagle that Diminished His Stats. He Had To Do More Stuff than Just Score. Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)

He Had To Create (Something Jordan finally Accepted since Phil Was Trying to Make Jordan Understand This and Finally It Happened), Be the 2nd Lead Scorer, Be The 2nd Lead Rebounder, Be The Best Defender, Be The Best Team Defender and Play as a Teamate More than a Star.

Pippen`s 1991 Stats while Being the Best Individual Defender For Those Play-Offs and Finals (Defensive Rating Agrees): 20.8 PPG (45.3% FG), 9.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.4 SPG and 1.0 BPG.

If Those are Not All Star Level Stats Then What Are? [/B][/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="3"]EPIC FAIL. [/SIZE][/B]

1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR][/B] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR][/B] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

[B]Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.[/B]

OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..

[QUOTE=KOBE143]OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. [B]If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..[/B][/QUOTE]

damb phakkot

Cheap Copy Cryant as a lone all-star on LAL in 2006 season could not even make it to Playoffs live alone winning a PO series by himself.

Only thing this trash is good for is licking MJ's black mamba.

[QUOTE=KOBE143]OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..[/QUOTE]

repped :applause:

Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?

[QUOTE=Round Mound]
Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.[/quote]

Jordan guarded Drexler the majority of the time in the '92 Finals, not Pippen.

[quote]He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.[/quote]

Not prior to Jordan's retirement he wasn't. Jordan was the best defender on the early 90's Bulls.

[quote]Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)[/quote]

That's funny, because Jordan was a better creator than Pippen and a better defender. And he rebounded at an elite level for a guard. And was an all-time level scorer.

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?[/QUOTE]

my fav player is Clyde btw.

my fav teams in 1990s were portland & NYK btw. I hated the bulls.

Just the reality check. MJ won hist 1st with pippen still hasnt become an all-star till next year.

plain & simple.

so this garbage logic about MJ won jack shittee till pippen became Bull is illogical.

[B]1991 Pippen could easily be replaced by another 1991 non-allstar Horace Grant-like player a.k.a. Oakley & MJ will still beat LAL in 6 games.

thats my point.[/B]

:facepalm So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.

[QUOTE=AlexanderRight]:facepalm So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Yes. totally!!

Just look at Kobe to Shaq

Just look at Wade to LBJ

a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

Otherwise,

It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan][B][SIZE="3"]EPIC FAIL. [/SIZE][/B]

1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR][/B] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR][/B] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

[B]Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.[/B][/QUOTE]

[B]Do You Think I Go By Votes and Selections? Save That to the Media and Dumb Fans...I Actually Watchted Those 1991 NBA Finals Myself LIVE and Pippen Was the Best Defender. Jordan Was Also a Monster Defender But So Was Pippen, The Best Defender in the Bulls... Statistically It Also Prooven that Pippen Was the Best Bulls Defender:


[U]NBA & ABA Year-by-Year Playoff Leaders and Records for Defensive Rating[/U]

Year Lg Player DRtg Tm
2012 NBA Josh Smith 93.20 ATL
2011 NBA Dwight Howard 95.73 ORL
2010 NBA Dwight Howard 92.98 ORL
2009 NBA Dwight Howard 98.35 ORL
2008 NBA Tim Duncan 98.51 SAS
2007 NBA Jason Kidd 94.63 NJN
2006 NBA Alonzo Mourning 95.13 MIA
2005 NBA Ben Wallace 93.48 DET
2004 NBA Ben Wallace 83.91 DET
2003 NBA Ben Wallace 90.51 DET
2002 NBA Ben Wallace 86.41 DET
2001 NBA David Robinson* 92.42 SAS
2000 NBA David Robinson* 84.01 SAS
1999 NBA David Robinson* 87.33 SAS
1998 NBA David Robinson* 93.42 SAS
1997 NBA Alonzo Mourning 94.64 MIA
[COLOR="red"][SIZE="3"]1996 NBA Scottie Pippen* 96.07 CHI [/SIZE][/COLOR]
1995 NBA David Robinson* 97.53 SAS
1994 NBA Patrick Ewing* 94.34 NYK
1993 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 96.56 HOU
1992 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.35 DET
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="red"]1991 NBA Scottie Pippen* 99.52 CHI[/COLOR][/SIZE]
1990 NBA Bill Laimbeer 96.32 DET
1989 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.38 DET
1988 NBA Bill Laimbeer 99.51 DET
1987 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 102.24 HOU
1986 NBA Bill Walton* 100.62 BOS
1985 NBA Ralph Sampson* 97.16 HOU
1984 NBA Buck Williams 99.41 NJN
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 95.76 PHI
1982 NBA Larry Bird* 94.21 BOS
1981 NBA Truck Robinson 94.51 PHO
1980 NBA Larry Bird* 95.93 BOS
1979 NBA Gar Heard 90.53 PHO
1978 NBA Caldwell Jones 93.56 PHI
1977 NBA Bill Walton* 89.53 POR
1976 NBA Elvin Hayes* 88.11 WSB
ABA Mike Gale 100.65 SAA
1975 NBA George Johnson 87.05 GSW
ABA Artis Gilmore* 95.43 KEN
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 89.90 MIL
ABA Wendell Ladner 88.92 NYA

The Only Modern SF To Ever Lead the League In Defensive Rating: The Rest Are All Big Men:

[U]Defensive Rating[/U]

1990-91 NBA 101.7 (8)
1991-92 NBA 102.2 (8)
1993-94 NBA 96.9 (7)
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Red"]1994-95 NBA 98.3 (1)[/COLOR][/SIZE]
1995-96 NBA 100.7 (10)

[U]With Jordan Out a Constant Top 7-4 Best Player in the Game[/U]

[U]Player Efficiency Rating[/U]

1993-94 NBA 23.2 (4)
1994-95 NBA 22.6 (7)[/B]

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Yes. totally!!

Just look at Kobe to Shaq

Just look at Wade to LBJ

a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

Otherwise,

It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.[/QUOTE]
Holy fcuk! :roll: Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.

[QUOTE=AlexanderRight]Holy fcuk! :roll: Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.[/QUOTE]

Pippen learning curve as many think is not constantly UPWARDS in reality.

[B]1990[/B] all star reserve...shows promise of becoming a very good SUPPORT player.
[B]1991[/B]. [U]regressed ![/U]
[B]1992[/B]. all-star STARTER. coming of age. Becomes top 5 NBA players.
[B]1993.[/B] [U]regressed STATs wise regular season.[/U]
[B]1994.[/B] Best season STATs & MVP voting & DPOY voting
[B]1995.[/B] [U]Regressed AGAIN stats. Poor leadership. Bulls a .500 team[/U] MJ CAME BACK & everything is forgotten.

[QUOTE=kmartshopper]And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time.[/QUOTE]


FUKIN LOL :roll:

No, it is not possible for a player to win a championship by himself. It is possible to win 60+ games and reach the finals, as repeated ad nauseum by fans of a certain player, but not win.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Pippen learning curve as many think is not constantly UPWARDS in reality.

[B]1990[/B] all star reserve...shows promise of becoming a very good SUPPORT player.
[B]1991[/B]. [U]regressed ![/U]
[B]1992[/B]. all-star STARTER. coming of age. Becomes top 5 NBA players.
[B]1993.[/B] [U]regressed STATs wise regular season.[/U]
[B]1994.[/B] Best season STATs & MVP voting & DPOY voting
[B]1995.[/B] [U]Regressed AGAIN stats. Poor leadership. Bulls a .500 team[/U] MJ CAME BACK & everything is forgotten.[/QUOTE]
... Scottie Pippen actually increased in PPG, RPG, and APG from 90' to 91' so he actually did not "regress". I love how you just say 'regressed" instead of actually adding substance to your statement. Here's a crazy thought. How about you actually value a player based on his impact and effectiveness on the court instead of a reserve spot in a meaningless game in February. And no, just because you don't make that all star game doesn't mean you're as good as Horrace Grant. You can't possibly be this stupid.

[QUOTE=AlexanderRight]... Scottie Pippen actually increased in PPG, RPG, and APG from 90' to 91' so he actually did not "regress". I love how you just say 'regressed" instead of actually adding substance to your statement. Here's a crazy thought. How about you actually value a player based on his impact and effectiveness on the court instead of a reserve spot in a meaningless game in February. And no, just because you don't make that all star game doesn't mean you're as good as Horrace Grant. You can't possibly be this stupid.[/QUOTE]

makes no sense.

Pip is an all star reserve a year ago. Then Pip looses the reserve position despite increasing his PPG, APG, RPG.

maybe bulls played lot more OT, 2OT, 3OT games in 1991 so Pippen stats maybe inflated in 1991.

anyways, thats not the argument. 1992 Pippen >> 1991 Pippen who was just a GOOD player like NYK's OAKLEY or CHI's GRANT which could've been replaced & MJ still beat LAL in 6 games in 1991 finals.

Point is. MJ wins 1991 ring without Pippen easily.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]
Faaking [B]Kobe as a lone all-star on LAL roster cound'nt even make it to POs.or if he did, lost the series being up 3-1[/B] :roll:[/QUOTE]
Kobe made it to the NBA Finals without an all-star or all-nba teammate on his team besides himself in 2008.

1991, in my opinion, was Pippen's true breakout season. To suggest he wasn't any kind of "help" for Jordan is absurd. Pippen averaged 21-9-7-2-1 in the Finals. Not to mention he had 32-13-7-5-1 in the deciding 5th game.

And I'll just quote myself from a thread I started back in the summer after re-watching the '91 Finals.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275571[/url]

[QUOTE][B][SIZE="3"]Game 1[/SIZE][/B]
Jordan has a very good NBA Finals debut going for 36-8-12-3 on 14/24 shooting; however, some of the younger Bulls admitted after the game to being very nervous, and it showed, most notably Horace Grant who had just 6 points on 3/8 shooting. Pippen went for 19-7-5 but on 7/19 shooting and was the only other Bull to score in double figures.

Sam Perkins hit a game winning three with about 15 seconds to go and Jordan had a 15-17 foot jumper go halfway down before rattling out, that would've given the Bulls a 93-92 lead with under 10 seconds to play. Four Lakers (Worthy, Perkins, Magic, and Vlade) scored 16+ points. Can't imagine all the overreaction threads on here if ISH existed back then after Jordan and the Bulls lost game one at home.


[B][SIZE="3"]Game 2[/SIZE][/B]
The Jordan "Switches Hands in Mid-Air Iconic Floating Lay-Up" game. Bulls win in a blowout and Jordan goes for 33-7-13-2 on 15/18 shooting. Pippen and Grant both play much better, scoring 20 points apiece on 8/16 and 10/13 shooting respectively.


[B][SIZE="3"]Game 3[/SIZE][/B]
This game was the most interesting to me for a couple of reasons. It felt like, about mid-way through the third quarter, that the Bulls were going to be blownout. The Lakers went on something like an 18-2 and 20-4 run to take a 14 point lead. They had all the momentum and the home crowd was into the game. Jordan was in the midst of an awful second half that would last up until the very final seconds of regulation. He wasn't just missing jumpers either, he was missing semi-easy layups and bunnies, too.

And, of all people, it was Cliff Levingston who I felt helped Pippen lead the Bulls comeback starting late in the 3rd quarter. He gave the Bulls some very good high energy minutes off the bench with a couple of blocks, and 6 or 8 points, including two offensive rebound putbacks; the type of energy/hustle plays that can wake a team up and get them going, which is exactly what I felt like his play during that stretch did. Again, could you imagine if ISH was around? There would've been 10 threads killing Jordan for missing shot after shot while his team was on the verge of getting blown out, and then there would've been another 5-10 threads killing him because it was Cliff Levingston and Craig Hodges who were "carrying" Jordan during the Bulls comeback.

Anyway, with the Bulls down two with 10 seconds to go, Jordan gets the inbounds pass, dribbles the lenght of the courth with Byron Scott pressuring him, and hits a 12 foot pull-up jumper over a closing Vlade Divac to send the game into OT. He was that close to losing the game on a 9/25 shooting performance (I think he went 2/3 in OT and finished 11/28) and being down 2-1 in his first NBA Finals with two more games to be played in LA. What happens if he misses that shot? Do the Lakers take that momentum to go on and win the series? And do the Bulls ever become "The Bulls"?

Jordan hits two big shots in OT, and they outscore the Lakers 12-4 in OT for the 104-96 win. Horace Grant had his best game of the series going for 22-11-3 on 9/11 shooting.


[B][SIZE="3"]Game 4[/SIZE][/B]
Admittedly, I didn't watch much of this game. I could only find it on Youtube in "parts" and the way it's set-up through the PS3 app, it was damn near impossible to find the next part of the previous one finished. After about part 4 or 5 of 13 I gave-up. I knew the Bulls were up by 16 after the 3rd quarter and won by 15.


[SIZE="3"][B]Game 5[/B][/SIZE]
This was just a really fun and exciting game from start to finish. Pippen was a beast (32 pts, 13 reb, 7 ast, 5 stl) and Jordan was Jordan. Their swarming defense wreaked havoc at crucial times, and led to one particular Jordan block, lead pass to Pippen, Pippen slam sequence that looked nearly identical to what some of the younger NBA fans have grown accustomed to seeing from Wade and LeBron.

It should also be noted that James Worthy and Byron Scott missed this game with an injury. Two rookies, Tony Smith and Elden Campbell, stepped up and played surprisingly well. Smith had 12 points on 5/6 shooting and Campbell had 21 points on 9/12 shooting.

But it wasn't Jordan or Pippen, or even Grant who hit the big shots down the stretch in the fourth quarter of a tight game. It was John Paxson who did what he had done most of the series by hitting long 2-point jumper after long 2-point jumper. I don't know why he didn't take the extra 1.5 step back and get set behind the 3P line, but he was money that series from 18-20 feet out. He scored either 8 or 10 of his 20 points in a 3-4 minute span in the fourth quarter to slowly extend the Bulls lead and give them a little bit of breathing room. Jordan did set him up nicely a few times off of penetration and kick-out where Paxson was wide-open. I've read/heard about how automatic Paxson was that series, but I didn't realize he hit several clutch jumpers in a row in the deciding game.
[/QUOTE]

Obviously Jordan was phenomenal, but Pippen wasn't as bad as you're trying to make him sound, and John Paxson was on fire.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kobe made it to the NBA Finals without an all-star or all-nba teammate on his team besides himself in 2008.[/QUOTE]
And that's just as ignorant as saying Jordan won it all by himself in 1991.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]makes no sense.

Pip is an all star reserve a year ago. Then Pip looses the reserve position despite increasing his PPG, APG, RPG.

maybe bulls played lot more OT, 2OT, 3OT games in 1991 so Pippen stats maybe inflated in 1991.

anyways, thats not the argument. 1992 Pippen >> 1991 Pippen who was just a GOOD player like NYK's OAKLEY or CHI's GRANT which could've been replaced & MJ still beat LAL in 6 games in 1991 finals.

Point is. MJ wins 1991 ring without Pippen easily.[/QUOTE]
So, any good player such as Horrace Grant can average 21, 9, 7 in an NBA Finals series? That kind of production is easily replaceable? This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever seen anyone try to present.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan][B]If 1991 Pippen is not 2000 Kobe to Shaq

If 1991 Pippen is not 2012 Wade to LBJ

then 1991 MJ won it by himself[/B] as Bulls were still called "MICHAEL & the Jordanaires"

BTW, this is no KNOCK on 1992-1998 Pippen who was a great player.[/QUOTE]
See you just made that up.

[QUOTE=funnystuff]ISH should make a seperate "Historic players" forum.[/QUOTE]

The guy who runs the site doesn't want one. All requests have been ignored.

[QUOTE=KG215]And that's just as ignorant as saying Jordan won it all by himself in 1991.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't ignorant at all, it's fact. Kobe was the only All-star and/or All-NBA player on the 2007-08 Lakers, which reached the NBA Finals. That doesn't mean he got there by himself, just correcting the OP about what Kobe has done without an all-star.