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Just thought we could organize everything in one thread. So far from what I've heard;
1. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani & John Lucas III to Chicago for Carlos Boozer & Nate Robinson
2. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Philadelphia for Spencer Hawes & Nick Young
3. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Charlotte for Ben Gordon
What would be the best situation for the Raptors? Are there any other rumours circulating that you have heard?
:coleman:
[QUOTE=Toni]Just thought we could organize everything in one thread. So far from what I've heard;
1. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani & John Lucas III to Chicago for Carlos Boozer & Nate Robinson
2. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Philadelphia for Spencer Hawes & Nick Young
3. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Charlotte for Ben Gordon
What would be the best situation for the Raptors? Are there any other rumours circulating that you have heard?
:coleman:[/QUOTE]
#2
although sadly, none of these deals are really that interesting.
[QUOTE=Toni]Just thought we could organize everything in one thread. So far from what I've heard;
1. [B]Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani & John Lucas III to Chicago for Carlos Boozer & Nate Robinson[/B]
2. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Philadelphia for Spencer Hawes & Nick Young
3. Toronto sends Andrea Bargnani to Charlotte for Ben Gordon
What would be the best situation for the Raptors? Are there any other rumours circulating that you have heard?
:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Best scenario out of these 3 scenarios. With Boozer you get an efficient big and he will give you at least 10 boards a game he also wont feel the pressure of performing being the third option on the court after Gay and Derozan.
Haven't seen enough of Spencer to be able to judge how he will perform on the raps. I know for a big he has a great outside shot but that's not what we need from him, that is what we are trying to get away from. Not really big on Nick Young and I don't think we need to add another wing to the already growing log jam we have.
And last Ben Gordon hell no undersized volume shooter and we send them a big makes no sense we don't address any of the weaknesses the Raps have already.
I just seen the Bargs for Gordon rumour on Marc Stein's Twitter, if you guys need a link for that.
I'd take Ed Davis over any of those deals...
whatever one's contracts r off the books quickest
I don't care what deal it is, just get rid of bargs....But no Gordon please..
I'd do the Hawes deal in a heartbeat.
Hawes is simply a much better fit as a player, still young, and makes 4 mill less than Bargnani.
We don't even need to keep Nick Young past this season.
A source told Raptors beat writer Doug Smith that an Andrea Bargnani trade is unlikely to happen until the summer.
[url]http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2013/02/a-long-weekend-with-some-good-some-bad-and-some-blah.html[/url]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I know Doug Smith thinks this is the best possible move because somehow his stock will rise, but the way he's been playing lately I don't know how it could do anything but fall even more as hard as that would be. I bet the Boozer deal isn't even on the table this summer.
I honestly don't understand what deal we're holding out for. No one in the league has ever valued him as highly as BC. I hope he continues to be booed by the home crowd every time he's on the court to force someone's hand to at the very least amnesty him if no deal is found. We as a city have moved past the Bargnani era and it's unfair for everyone (including Bargnani) to keep this fiasco going.
The boozer deal is no good anyways, plagues the cap situation
First I heard of 76ers and us.
Frankly I doubt it - Marc S tweet or not.... all smoke.
1) In division ? no way !
2) Bargnani just as the 76ers are expecting their center to eventually join the team ? no way !
The Charlotte deal for Ben G actually is good as both guys simply need a change of scenery. I think it actually helps Toronto ap wise as well... as in more money now but one less year.
BenG is $13M + change 1 year. Barges is $12M + change and 2 more years.
The ever thrifty Mr Airness Jordon would like to save a million or so and still has an expring contract to trade again...
[QUOTE=Jballer]First I heard of 76ers and us.
Frankly I doubt it - Marc S tweet or not.... all smoke.
1) In division ? no way !
2) Bargnani just as the 76ers are expecting their center to eventually join the team ? no way !
The Charlotte deal for Ben G actually is good as both guys simply need a change of scenery. I think it actually helps Toronto ap wise as well... as in more money now but one less year.
BenG is $13M + change 1 year. Barges is $12M + change and 2 more years.
The ever thrifty Mr Airness Jordon would like to save a million or so and still has an expring contract to trade again...[/QUOTE]
Be better to just amnesty Bargnani then get Ben Gordon for him.
[QUOTE=Dr.Funk]Be better to just amnesty Bargnani then get Ben Gordon for him.[/QUOTE]
Maybe...
Sometimes the price and the talent get all mixed up.... I think BG is a pretty good player - just not at that price.
I dont know what is up in Charlotte with him but his years with the Bulls seem to suggest he can play in a system. This opposed to our current incumbent who cant or wont play in the coaches system.
I dont think it will happen because we have all the SG SF we need.. so you are not wrong either... I just wouldnt dismiss the trade out of hand as perhaps one domino leads to another with something coming back ideally a draft pick.
[QUOTE=Jballer]Maybe...
Sometimes the price and the talent get all mixed up.... I think BG is a pretty good player - just not at that price.
I dont know what is up in Charlotte with him but his years with the Bulls seem to suggest he can play in a system. This opposed to our current incumbent who cant or wont play in the coaches system.
I dont think it will happen because we have all the SG SF we need.. so you are not wrong either... I just wouldnt dismiss the trade out of hand as perhaps one domino leads to another with something coming back ideally a draft pick.[/QUOTE]
The big thing is that with Ben Gordon, it stunts the growth of Ross.
Bargnani actually makes quite a bit of sense for Philly, playing alongside Bynum. It's basically what the Lakers have been apparently seeking in Bargnani; a floor spacing PF to let the big guy dominate the paint.
Only a couple more days, hopefully something happens.
This may not be necessarily Bargnani related but I heard rumours we may go after Ridnour or Telfair. Obviously Telfair wouldn't be traded for Bargnani's big contract but Ridnour + fillers could possibly happen? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Chamberlain]Bargnani actually makes quite a bit of sense for Philly, playing alongside Bynum. It's basically what the Lakers have been apparently seeking in Bargnani; a floor spacing PF to let the big guy dominate the paint.[/QUOTE]
Fair point ...
...but I think they were looking more for a pick and roll team (Jrue and Bynum) with floor spacing from all those tweeners they have....
They also have (Miami's pick) Moultrie (spelling ?) as an inside option with a 10 foot shot.
I think what holds up the deal even more is inside division let alone conference. If a deal were truly there I would have suspected Philly to make a real serious run at Jose Calderon to give Jrue some back up.
I think reading the various rumours around the board on ISH and others.... there is really only 1 likely scenerio.
Josh Smith from Atlanta seems to be a "for sure move".
The only move of Bargnani would have to be linked to Josh Smith some how some way...
Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Boston, and Philly (interesting - good point Chamber) all seem to be active in the move. I would presume that Bargnani would some how end up in Atlanta and the Hawks would also pick up draft picks (3rd team) as well.
What comes to Toronto ? Who knows ?
Else no deal will happen.
I said this a couple months ago and I still believe so now. Bargnani will probably be on the roster until years end. I mean, BC could always surprise me but I just feel as though he's gonna keep a high asking price and refuse to do a "just to get rid of him and save cap space" move.
I really hope we don't pick up Nick Young. How many wing players do we need on this team?!?!
[QUOTE=n00bie]I really hope we don't pick up Nick Young. How many wing players do we need on this team?!?![/QUOTE]
He could backup Lowry at PG and his contract expires after this season..
I don't want to acquire anyone who's gonna take more minutes from Ross. Only way I want a guard back is if it's an actual backup point.
[QUOTE=bokes15]I don't want to acquire anyone who's gonna take more minutes from Ross. Only way I want a guard back is if it's an actual backup point.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is that unless Anderson is involved in the trade no matter who comes in Ross will still be stuck with limited minutes. Even though he is our best wing off the bench currently. So with that said, assuming Anderson doesn't get traded I don't really care if we pick up another wing on an expiring contract or one that expires next year. Yes they may take the limited minutes Ross is already getting but if he isn't going to get those minutes anyways we might as well pull a trade off to get rid of Bargnani for some cap relief.
I would however prefer a backup PG, and would like to see Anderson/Klezia/Fields involved in a trade with Bargnani clearing up some minutes for Ross off the bench while either getting rid of the chucker in Anderson or at least shedding a bad contract in Klezia or Fields. :confusedshrug:
Oh and even if we pick up a backup point guard, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him eating up Ross' minutes as Casey tends to like small ball (in particular the 2 PG lineup). :oldlol:
Nah, he's not getting dealt by deadline, will have to wait for the offseason.
[QUOTE=Jballer]IThe only move of Bargnani would have to be linked to Josh Smith some how some way...
Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Boston, and Philly (interesting - good point Chamber) all seem to be active in the move. I would presume that Bargnani would some how end up in Atlanta and the Hawks would also pick up draft picks (3rd team) as well.
What comes to Toronto ? Who knows ?
Else no deal will happen.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://nba.si.com/2013/02/19/nba-trade-rumors-josh-smith-dwight-howard/?sct=hp_t11_a6&eref=sihp[/url]
3. The Hawks should trade Josh Smith even if they can
My point was, getting a Nick Young would be redundant. I guess at the current moment you could call him an upgrade over Ross because Ross has yet to get to the minutes, the opportunity to prove himself, plus he's a rookie. Even if a PG took more minutes away from Ross, the more important thing would be that he'd be taking minutes away from JL3.
Anyways, i came in here to post what I saw about BC:
[QUOTE]The following is an edited transcript of Colangelo's comments on these topics.
On Bargnani, how he's fitting in better now with Gay and the likelihood that he could be traded...
"We began this year with Bargnani as our No. 1 scoring option. He's now No. 3 because Rudy has arrived and DeMar (DeRozan) has emerged. Now Bargnani is No. 3. There's talk about possibly moving him – and again we've talked about it, not for talent reasons but because maybe sometimes a change of scenery is the best thing for somebody. But sometimes a change of scenery can happen just by redecorating the room.
"That has happened with our situation here, in that Bargnani goes out with an injury, we make a fairly significant trade, which changes – really – the complexion of the team in two ways. It takes a pass-first, controlled point guard in Jose (Calderon, who was traded from Toronto to Memphis to Detroit in the deal) out of the lineup, it thrusts Kyle (Lowry) back in – where we had intended to have him. And you bring in Rudy, who clearly is a No. 1 scoring option, and DeMar has emerged.
"All of a sudden the outlook and the presence of a guy like Andrea is entirely different now. He's not relied on as a No. 1 guy. He has never been paid like a No. 1 option, but people wanted to criticize that he couldn't handle that role. I've always felt like he's been slotted in salary-wise as a No. 2 or No. 3. Maybe he's kind of fitting in nicely now.
"If a trade doesn't occur before the deadline, or even this summer, maybe it's because we figured out that with the evolution of the team he is the right guy to be a part of this team. He's been through the hard part. This may be the easiest part ahead of him.
"I would say (the situation) is fluid. There may have been an outright cry (to trade him) externally, whether from the media or the bloggers, to make a deal. But internally, we've always said that we recognized that a change of scenery may be helpful for him and maybe beneficial for us. But we always recognized the talent, and I believe that – in some of the trade discussions I've had – the market recognizes the talent. And we didn't want to do something just to do it.
"If a deal presents itself that makes sense, we'll go ahead and move. I would say that, had he not injured himself early, it would've been much more likely that something would've happened. By virtue of him getting injured and returning with a handful games left prior to the trade deadline…there just may not have been enough runway prior to the deadline to get something.
"That's not to say all those conversations are completely done right now, and again I've had open dialogue with his agent and Andrea acknowledging that maybe it is the best thing to happen. I've said, 'There's no lock that this is going to happen, so we need to make the most of it in either case.' If he stays, he's got obviously a new outlook with the acquisition of Rudy – the changing landscape, if you will. Maybe we find out that it's the best thing for him and for us."
On Colangelo's future…
"There's been no discussion (about his future since the trade). I certainly haven't brought it up. I think that we're, right now, transitioning with an ownership change of our own. The deal was announced probably a year and a half ago and it just closed this past summer, in terms of the change from the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan to a new group that includes both Bell and Rogers owning 37
22 minutes, 0pts, 0ast, 2rbs. Gee, I wonder why there are so few suitors for this guy? I'll still take Boozer and his awful contract for Bargnani who at this rate we'll need to amnesty. Just awful.
[QUOTE=DJMason]22 minutes, 0pts, 0ast, 2rbs. Gee, I wonder why there are so few suitors for this guy? I'll still take Boozer and his awful contract for Bargnani who at this rate we'll need to amnesty. Just awful.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather amnesty him than take a bad contract.
[QUOTE=DJMason]22 minutes, 0pts, 0ast, 2rbs. Gee, I wonder why there are so few suitors for this guy? I'll still take Boozer and his awful contract for Bargnani who at this rate we'll need to amnesty. Just awful.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much what I've been thinking.. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=bokes15]My point was, getting a Nick Young would be redundant. I guess at the current moment you could call him an upgrade over Ross because Ross has yet to get to the minutes, the opportunity to prove himself, plus he's a rookie. Even if a PG took more minutes away from Ross, the more important thing would be that he'd be taking minutes away from JL3.
Anyways, i came in here to post what I saw about BC:[/QUOTE]
I have one thing to say about this:
BC seems to imply that maybe AB would benefit from not being the #1 scoring option on the team. Were his collars done up too tight from 2006-2009? Maybe they were up too high and were covering his eyes during games.
All evidence suggests that Bargs wilts like a delicate flower when he's not the #1 option. Both during 06-09 and now that he's coming off the bench.
I mean, I understand BC is trying desperately to build trade value for the guy, but.... just bite the bullet and amnesty him. Enough of it. Ridding the team of his presence on the court and contract is value in and of itself.
Edit: More than one thing to say?
[QUOTE=RaininThrees]I have one thing to say about this:
BC seems to imply that maybe AB would benefit from not being the #1 scoring option on the team. Were his collars done up too tight from 2006-2009? Maybe they were up too high and were covering his eyes during games.
All evidence suggests that Bargs wilts like a delicate flower when he's not the #1 option. Both during 06-09 and now that he's coming off the bench.
I mean, I understand BC is trying desperately to build trade value for the guy, but.... just bite the bullet and amnesty him. Enough of it. Ridding the team of his presence on the court and contract is value in and of itself.
Edit: More than one thing to say?[/QUOTE]
Yeah... Bargnani is basically playing like we all thought he would coming off the bench based on his first few years. Now the cat's out of the bag for the league and I can't imagine that 29 more games like this are going to help. I just hope the new ownership group is willing to amnesty him if no deal presents itself even in the summer.
If BC hopes to get more than a one year extension we need to make the playoffs next year. In order to make the playoffs we can't spend 10 mill on an all 0 stat machine. It's not that complex a decision.
RT, we all know that BC talks like a politician by now. The nitty gritty of what he was trying to say is that Bargs has a negative trade value right now. He's obviously trying to spin it and say that we still have use for him and that other teams still want him but everyone knows that's not the case. It's either cut your losses or have a 7'0 piece of dead weight that doesn't fit and takes up 10-11M/year of capspace.
Seems he is trying to get the positivity of this Gay trade to overshadow this Bargnani soap opera.
[QUOTE=DJMason]22 minutes, 0pts, 0ast, 2rbs. Gee, I wonder why there are so few suitors for this guy? I'll still take Boozer and his awful contract for Bargnani who at this rate we'll need to amnesty. Just awful.[/QUOTE]
On the positive side, that must be the first time in his career that he has collected more rebounds than points
[QUOTE=keantona]On the positive side, that must be the first time in his career that he has collected more rebounds than points[/QUOTE]
lol i was thinking the same thing.
the way i see it, Bargnani plays around 20 minutes a game and doesnt produce anything relevant for around $10mil. Boozer plays around 30 minutes a game and produces 16 pts and 9 rebs around $17mil. plus more trade value next year compared to what Bargnani will offer for cap relief and maybe acquiring a lottery pick? if its up to Raptors to accept the deal anytime before the deadline, it would be better to take the deal. IMO its better to pay more to get something than just piss away money. A starting unit of Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Boozer, and Val is pretty good and once they gel they can make 2nd round and some noise in the playoffs. if not this year, next year.
[QUOTE=keantona]On the positive side, that must be the first time in his career that he has collected more rebounds than points[/QUOTE]
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Colangelo follows through on his threat (to fans) and keeps Bargnani.
I wonder if they ever entertained the idea of going after Granger. Either him or Gay would have to play PF though. Injury concern too. But with Paul George breaking out he might have played his last season in Indiana.