Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on [B]54% FG[/B], 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF that's built like a tank.

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.

Eat a ****ing dick you ****ing ******. You're a ****ing retarded ****. Yes, I'm ****ing mad. **** you.

Best PG in the league the past 3 seasons BY FAR. A full tier above the others. Criminally underrated.

**** you too, ******.

It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%... He is dominating Parker in every statistical category except for assists, and even in that category LeBron is right up there with him.

I mean Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?

[QUOTE=iDunk]It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on [B]54% FG[/B], 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF that's built like a tank.

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.[/QUOTE]


How many categories does Parker lead his team in vs how many Lebron does?

[QUOTE=bmd]It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%...

Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?[/QUOTE]

Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?

Lebron's #'s take a wet, hot, steamy, dripping, salty, massive, huge, egregious dump on Parker's stats.

Lol. What happened to KD being MVP? Lol. King James haters desperately wanting it to be anyone but the King

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

[B]Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?[/B][/QUOTE]
No, and nobody thinks Rose was the MVP that season either.

Rose's MVP = complete joke.

simply put if you swapped both players into each other's teams and situations, the Heat wouldnt be title contenders, while the Spurs wouldnt miss a beat with LBJ.

Its the system and the coaching that makes the Spurs great, not TP mainly.

People discrediting Rose may have a point because he wasn't the best player BUT he had a hell of a lot more of a case than Parker this year.

25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4 rpg, 1 spg>>>>>>>>>>> 21 ppg, 7.7 apg, 3 rpg, 1 spg. Not to mention Rose actually did carry his team at times and had no second option equal to current Duncan or Manu. Not to mention Lebron this year is better than Lebron of 2010 when Rose won it. Same with Durant. In other words... Parker has no case. The Spurs also didn't have a 21 win turnaround like the Bulls did. They have consistently been good even without Parker being the man.

[QUOTE=bmd]It isn't baffling. LeBron is having a crazy good year.

57% fg%, 27.2 ppg, 8.2 reb, 7.0 ast, 1.7 stl, 0.8 blk

Vs. Parker's:

54% fg%, 21.2 ppg, 3.0 reb, 7.7 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.1 blk.


I mean, if you think about it, LeBron is playing pg better than Parker, and he isn't even a pg! 27 pts, 7 ast, and nearly 2 steals sounds like amazing point guard stats... Then add in the fact that he has 8 rebounds per game, 1 block, and is shooting 57%... He is dominating Parker in every statistical category except for assists, and even in that category LeBron is right up there with him.

I mean Holy ****.

It's actually just the opposite... how can you think Parker is having a better season?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?[/QUOTE]1. So what? They both have fantastic records. Spurs lead the West, Heat lead the East. It isn't as if LeBron is on a cellar-dweller putting up those numbers. He's on one of the top 3 teams in the league.

2. Derrick Rose's past MVP has absolutely nothing to do with this season.

It's baffling how you think Parker deserves it over Lebron.

Durant was much closer (in terms of value) to LeBron last year than Parker is to LeBron this year.

[QUOTE=iDunk]It really is.

Sure LeBron is crazy efficient this season.

But the Spurs have the best record with Duncan & Ginobili missing significant time this season. Parker is putting up 21 PPG/3 RPG/8 APG on 54% FG, 38% 3P, & 84% FT. Talking about efficiency 54% from the field is much more impressive for a PG than 57% for a SF [B]that's built like a tank. [/B]

I'd like to see the Spurs play with Duncan & Ginobili, but without Parker & see how they fare. I bet the results would be much different than they are with Duncan & Ginobili being out & Parker leading the team.

Its gonna be a crime when LeBron wins another MVP when Tony Parker & his Spurs are having this kind of season. Even I'm tired of the Spurs never getting any recognition anymore.[/QUOTE]

So LeBron doesn't deserve mvp because he's built like a tank ?

[QUOTE=bmd]1. So what? They both have fantastic records. Spurs lead the West, Heat lead the East. It isn't as if LeBron is on a cellar-dweller putting up those numbers. He's on one of the top 3 teams in the league.

2. Derrick Rose's past MVP has absolutely nothing to do with this season.[/QUOTE]

Of course Rose's MVP has something to do with voting this season. Its called history. How else do you decide player X should win the MVP this year if you don't consider what and how MVP award winners were given out in the past :facepalm

They have the best record because of the system. Spurs gave Heat a hard time without Duncan, Ginobli and Parker. Heat were coasting, but still. Also, the Spurs beat Chicago with Parker, Duncan and Ginobli. Their MVP is Popovich.

[QUOTE=Sakkreth]So LeBron doesn't deserve mvp because he's built like a tank ?[/QUOTE]
Yea, didn't you here? You gotta equate body size into MVP consideration. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=livinglegend]They have the best record because of the system. Spurs gave Heat a hard time without Duncan, Ginobli and Parker. Heat were coasting, but still. Also, the Spurs beat Chicago with Parker, Duncan and Ginobli. Their MVP is Popovich.[/QUOTE]

Yes the vague "system" gave Tony Parker more wins while Lebron is playing the best 2, 3 and 4 in the league. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Yes the vague "system" gave Tony Parker more wins while Lebron is playing the best 2, 3 and 4 in the league. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Lol. Tony Parker isn't the MVP. Deal with it. Quit Hatin'

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]People discrediting Rose may have a point because he wasn't the best player BUT he had a hell of a lot more of a case than Parker this year.

25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4 rpg, 1 spg>>>>>>>>>>> 21 ppg, 7.7 apg, 3 rpg, 1 spg. Not to mention Rose actually did carry his team at times and had no second option equal to current Duncan or Manu. Not to mention Lebron this year is better than Lebron of 2010 when Rose won it. Same with Durant. In other words... Parker has no case. The Spurs also didn't have a 21 win turnaround like the Bulls did. They have consistently been good even without Parker being the man.[/QUOTE]

Good post.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Of course Rose's MVP has something to do with voting this season. Its called history. How else do you decide player X should win the MVP this year if you don't consider what and how MVP award winners were given out in the past :facepalm[/QUOTE]What I am saying is using a random year when Derrick Rose won to justify your case is meaningless. I can find many many more years that justifies mine.

[QUOTE=bmd]What I am saying is using a random year when Derrick Rose won to justify your case is meaningless. I can find many many more years that justifies mine.[/QUOTE]

A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.

Also... most valuable player, meaning who is the most valuable player in the NBA. Who is the guy that people would most desire on their team. Who is the guy that GM's would be most willing to pay for. Who is the most sought after player in the league? Not who is most valuable to their own team, but who is the league's most valuable basketball player?

It's clearly LeBron James.

OP is a fakkit. And so is Yao Mings Foot(we already knew that). LeBron's 4th MVP is a virtual lock.

Next.

[QUOTE=bmd]Also... most valuable player, meaning who is the most valuable player in the NBA. Who is the guy that people would most desire on their team. Who is the guy that GM's would be most willing to pay for. Who is the most sought after player in the league? Not who is most valuable to their own team, but who is the league's most valuable basketball player?

It's clearly LeBron James.[/QUOTE]

That might be what you wish it to mean but that's not how its actually been awarded historically.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]A random year :facepalm

3 out of the last 4 MVPs played on teams with the highest regular season record.[/QUOTE]Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?

Lebron stans would be on suicide watch if their lord james didn't win it this year :lol

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Best PG in the league the past 3 seasons BY FAR. A full tier above the others. Criminally underrated.[/QUOTE]
But not MVP talk. Not as long as Lebron lives. If Lebron wasnt on planet earth? Maybe then. But naw.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That might be what you wish it to mean but that's not how its actually been awarded historically.[/QUOTE]Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?[/QUOTE]

All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.

[QUOTE=bmd]Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?[/QUOTE]
Along with MVP-caliber stats, you just have to be in a top 2 seeded team in your respective conferences. Not necessarily best NBA record. Preferably on a #1 seed team though but there's been two MVPs since 2000 that were on #2 seeds.

OP acting like a girl again. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=bmd]Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?[/QUOTE]

If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.[/QUOTE]Yep. Just a week ago the Spurs sat Parker, Duncan and Ginobili, and they beat the Bulls by 14. When they sat all of them earlier in the season, they lost to Miami by only 5.

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]

What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.

[QUOTE=bmd]Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.[/QUOTE]

That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalm

[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash. :facepalm[/QUOTE]

When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.