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Mike Woodson is a joke
this guy has the reputation of a defensive coach, yet, the knick's defense consists of [B]random mindless switching[/B], most of the time ending up with a mismatch.
he says he cant fix the knick's slow starts; how about not starting one of the worst line ups the knicks have? he starts shumpert (who is not a good defender this year) at small forward. that's a mismatch right there from the get-go.
ronnie brewer, as bad as he shot the ball, was able to hold his ground against bigger guys. the knicks played their best ball with brewer in the starting line up, they were the best 1st quarter team with brewer starting.
the offense is a mess. there's no continuity.
there's some well executed plays followed by complete chaos. wtf???
additionally, all woodson does during games is to look befuddled and complain, contributing to an overall whiny culture.
please fire him and let jason kidd and prigioni be player-coaches for the rest of the season.
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Is he still trying to have melo guard centers? :lol
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Is he still trying to have melo guard centers? :lol[/QUOTE]
pretty much
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[QUOTE=Teanett]pretty much[/QUOTE]
He's be so worn out by the playoffs.
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Loved how Knicks fans overrated him from the start. Only reason they were winning games was bc they were shooting lights out in the beginning of the year
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]He's be so worn out by the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
he already is. they all are.
the knicks have regressed as a team but a big part of it is that opponents have adjusted to the knicks p'n'r game and woodson hasnt come up with an answer.
the result is more iso-melo, tired-melo and whiney-melo.
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He's a good coach. Knicks are just playing lazy D. They will pick up the rhythm in the final stretch of the season.
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Knicks 2 weeks ago were the second best defense in the league in the 4th quarter and were the 26th in the 1st quarter. Miami that everyone says it's coasting was 12th and 9th... what does that tell about Knicks lack of effort?
The problem is that they started to take it easy thanks to the hot start and now they are having trouble getting back to where they were.
On top of that, Knicks also started with a well balanced offense, even Brewer was getting shots, but with all the injuries, knicks were forced to play Melo ball, Melo shooting and everyone else watching, and now everyone is completely out of rhythm.
I've trouble blaming the coach when Melo effort on defense is laughable.
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[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Knicks 2 weeks ago were the second best defense in the league in the 4th quarter and were the 26th in the 1st quarter. Miami that everyone says it's coasting was 12th and 9th... what does that tell about Knicks lack of effort?
The problem is that they started to take it easy thanks to the hot start and now they are having trouble getting back to where they were.
On top of that, Knicks also started with a well balanced offense, even Brewer was getting shots, but with all the injuries, knicks were forced to play Melo ball, Melo shooting and everyone else watching, and now everyone is completely out of rhythm.
I've trouble blaming the coach when Melo effort on defense is laughable.[/QUOTE]
there's no well balanced offense anymore because opposing teams do not send help when felton gets around the pick.
there's no more alley oops or open threes. woodson hasnt coutered that.
and do you have any logical explanation why he starts shump at small forward?
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Wtf is up with Jason Kidd, he looks petrified to shoot the ball and the Knicks are basically playing 3/4 on 5 on offense when thats the case.
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[QUOTE=andremiller07]Wtf is up with Jason Kidd, he looks petrified to shoot the ball and the Knicks are basically played 3/4 on 5 on offense when thats the case.[/QUOTE]
woodson's playing him too many minutes.
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:lol i warned knick fans about him.
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[QUOTE=Haymaker]He's a good coach. Knicks are just playing lazy D. They will pick up the rhythm in the final stretch of the season.[/QUOTE]
This. Basically, Raptors just played a bit better D than the Knicks last night.
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Knicks are an old ass team who wouldn't miss threes in the first couple months of the season. They're being worn out. Gonna be funny to see them lose in the 1st round again :lol
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If KMart isn't washed up, I'd try putting him at the PF spot and move Carmelo back to SF.
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[QUOTE=Artillery]If KMart isn't washed up, I'd try putting him at the PF spot and move Carmelo back to SF.[/QUOTE]
Why would woodson do that?? He loves the mismatch he creates w/ melo at the 4, THE PROBLEM IS, that there is even a BIGGER mismatch when melo is forced to play the other teams bruising power forwards. Maybe we can bring in SVG
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[QUOTE=Teanett]this guy has the reputation of a defensive coach, yet, the knick's defense consists of [B]random mindless switching[/B], most of the time ending up with a mismatch.[/QUOTE]
they have been doing this for years. people used to complain about david lee switching too much, same for melo, and amare. at some point you have to look at the players, and realise that they are the opnly constant.
you have changed coaches, and the problem persists? its likely the players' fault.
[QUOTE]the offense is a mess. there's no continuity.
there's some well executed plays followed by complete chaos. wtf???[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
they are third in the league in offense, their defense is the problem, and they happen to play a lot of old guys, and a lot of habitually bad defenders.
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[QUOTE=Teanett]there's no well balanced offense anymore because opposing teams do not send help when felton gets around the pick.
there's no more alley oops or open threes. woodson hasnt coutered that.
and do you have any logical explanation why he starts shump at small forward?[/QUOTE]
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All you have to do is play Melo one on one and stop everyone else from scoring really there isnt any reason to double team. Once Melo gets in the post they collapse but no one else can make them pay for it. So your right Woody isnt a great coach never was in general. The issue isnt totally on Woody its the roster architect who should take a greater percentage of the blame. Which leads me to my next point.
Obviously you are completely unaware the Knicks have 2 viable options at PF Melo, Stat and 1 Center Chandler (Kurt Thomas cant move!).
So can you figure out a way to start another player at SF? PF? have a decent 2nd unit? So that would mean starting either White or Copeland.[/COLOR][/B]
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[QUOTE=andremiller07]Wtf is up with Jason Kidd, he looks petrified to shoot the ball and the Knicks are basically playing 3/4 on 5 on offense when thats the case.[/QUOTE]
It's because he's not a SG and his leadership is marginalized when he's afraid to play. He was never a great shooter and being used as a spot-up shooter is stupid. I'd rather see him play off the bench than see him play SG. It's beyond idiotic.
Amare has to get in the starting lineup already and that is that. Get him in there and push Melo to the 3. Then let's see how the rest of the season goes. I'd rather Kidd start at PG but, with Iman taking on a role as the season goes on...but I know he's not there yet. Hell, I'd rather see Smith start for a while. See if the free reign to be stuipd that comes with playing off the bench decreases some of the stupid.
But get Amare in and stop playing Kidd at the 2...period, the end.
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[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Navy"]
So can you figure out a way to start another player at SF? PF? have a decent 2nd unit? So that would mean starting either White or Copeland.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
he isnt playing either of them so why not start white or copeland at the 3?
shumpert isnt giving you anything on offense or defense at the 3.
start jr at 3. move shump or kidd to the bench, whatever...
but starting a 6'5'' acl-surgery-returnee at small forward to go up against rudy gay, paul george, paul pierce, luol deng etc. is beyond stupid.
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[QUOTE=chips93]they have been doing this for years. people used to complain about david lee switching too much, same for melo, and amare. at some point you have to look at the players, and realise that they are the opnly constant.
you have changed coaches, and the problem persists? its likely the players' fault.
:biggums:
they are third in the league in offense, their defense is the problem, and they happen to play a lot of old guys, and a lot of habitually bad defenders.[/QUOTE]
woodson has been the defensive coach under d'antoni too.
landry fields was also constantly switching last year, did he switch off melo last night? hardly.
isn't it the coach's job to fix "bad habits"?
they've been playing the same way for the last years; switching like b!tches.
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[QUOTE=Teanett]this guy has the reputation of a defensive coach, yet, the knick's defense consists of [B]random mindless switching[/B], most of the time ending up with a mismatch.[/QUOTE]
How many threads have you polluted with the same garbage? We need to fire you as an ISH poster.
You've been launching nonsensical attacks on Woodson for a long time. What's the real problem that you have with him?
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]How many threads have you polluted with the same garbage? We need to fire you as an ISH poster.
You've been launching nonsensical attacks on Woodson for a long time. What's the real problem that you have with him?[/QUOTE]
it's called an opinion.
if you have an explanation for the knicks defensive strategy, share it.
if you want to defend mike woodson and his style of coaching and basketball, please do so.
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[QUOTE=Teanett]this guy has the reputation of a defensive coach, yet, the knick's defense consists of [B]random mindless switching[/B], most of the time ending up with a mismatch.
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He did the exact same thing the whole time he was coaching the Hawks. Don't hold your breath waiting for him to change. When the opposing team was taking advantage of his switching he would never adjust.
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I bet you Knicks fans would rather have D'Antoni back at this point
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Knicks have been extremely mediocre since the end of December. I actually don't mind seeing the Knicks do well, but they're probably a second round exit. Their second scoring option (JR Smith) is mentally unstable and erratic and their role players are old as dirt.
I don't think the coach is to blame. They've just come back down to earth after the hot start.
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Meh, Mavs lost 9 of 11 during their championship season I'm not even close to worried.
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[QUOTE=cotdt]I bet you Knicks fans would rather have D'Antoni back at this point[/QUOTE]
:roll: You must be kidding.
You're stuck with him, LA. We don't want him back.
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[QUOTE=Teanett]it's called an opinion.
if you have an explanation for the knicks defensive strategy, share it.
if you want to defend mike woodson and his style of coaching and basketball, please do so.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing to "defend". Do you think that perhaps the Knicks defensive slump has a bit more to do with injuries and the age of the roster? I do.
What you're doing is trying to put all of the team's problems on the coach, which is ridiculous.
The fact that this is some kind of vendetta is shown by your thread title. Woodson is obviously not a "joke". That would be a better description for you.
His team is 32-20, in 1st place in the Atlantic, and 3rd place in the EC. If Woodson is a "joke" what does that make all of the other coaches with worse records?
Seriously, you need to start thinking before you post. I have no problem with you expressing your opinion about Woodson's coaching deficiencies (as you see them), but leave the personal attacks alone.
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[QUOTE=iDunk]Meh, Mavs lost 9 of 11 during their championship season I'm not even close to worried.[/QUOTE]
I believe dirk nowitzki had injury, and missed games the period u talk about
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[QUOTE=Teanett]this guy has the reputation of a defensive coach, yet, the knick's defense consists of [B]random mindless switching[/B], most of the time ending up with a mismatch.
he says he cant fix the knick's slow starts; how about not starting one of the worst line ups the knicks have? he starts shumpert (who is not a good defender this year) at small forward. that's a mismatch right there from the get-go.
ronnie brewer, as bad as he shot the ball, was able to hold his ground against bigger guys. the knicks played their best ball with brewer in the starting line up, they were the best 1st quarter team with brewer starting.
the offense is a mess. there's no continuity.
there's some well executed plays followed by complete chaos. wtf???
additionally, all woodson does during games is to look befuddled and complain, contributing to an overall whiny culture.
please fire him and let jason kidd and prigioni be player-coaches for the rest of the season.[/QUOTE]
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Knicks lose control when they're losing...including the coach. They start getting T'd up and shit.
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[QUOTE=Jax]Knicks lose control when they're losing...including the coach. They start getting T'd up and shit.[/QUOTE]
they act like spoiled brats cause the coach lets them.
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]There's nothing to "defend". Do you think that perhaps the Knicks defensive slump has a bit more to do with injuries and the age of the roster? I do.
What you're doing is trying to put all of the team's problems on the coach, which is ridiculous.
The fact that this is some kind of vendetta is shown by your thread title. Woodson is obviously not a "joke". That would be a better description for you.
His team is 32-20, in 1st place in the Atlantic, and 3rd place in the EC. If Woodson is a "joke" what does that make all of the other coaches with worse records?
Seriously, you need to start thinking before you post. I have no problem with you expressing your opinion about Woodson's coaching deficiencies (as you see them), but leave the personal attacks alone.[/QUOTE]
well, part of the poblem is that woodson neither gives you a hint on what he wants to accomplish nor can one see what the team's trying to do.
he talks endless coach gibber about "accountability" and everything being a "big piece of the puzzle".
the offense is almost the same as d'antoni's plus iso-melo and never does he talk about defensive schemes because his random switching is fukking retarded.
all he does is get the team to play hard. but now that's gone.
melo didnt play hard for d'antoni and only does under woodson as he sees fit.
woodson is melo's puppet.
therefor: [B]he's a joke.[/B]
there, i did it again. deal with it. har har.
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[QUOTE=LikeABosh]Knicks are an old ass team who wouldn't miss threes in the first couple months of the season. They're being worn out. Gonna be funny to see them lose in the 1st round again :lol[/QUOTE]
Yep. Would love to bounce them in the first round
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[QUOTE=Teanett]well, part of the poblem is that woodson neither gives you a hint on what he wants to accomplish nor can one see what the team's trying to do.
he talks endless coach gibber about "accountability" and everything being a "big piece of the puzzle".
the offense is almost the same as d'antoni's plus iso-melo and never does he talk about defensive schemes because his random switching is fukking retarded.
all he does is get the team to play hard. but now that's gone.
melo didnt play hard for d'antoni and only does under woodson as he sees fit.
woodson is melo's puppet.
therefor: [B]he's a joke.[/B]
there, i did it again. deal with it. har har.[/QUOTE]
Yes it's D'Antonis and Woodsons fault that Melo doesn't play hard, nothing to do with Melo himself :rolleyes:
What do you expect a coach to do? D'Antoni tried to trade Melo but instead ending up leaving himself..
And they switch screens probably because the players being in help position are horrible help defenders, see Melo and Amare leading the way in this..
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[QUOTE=Teanett]well, part of the poblem is that woodson neither gives you a hint on what he wants to accomplish nor can one see what the team's trying to do.
he talks endless coach gibber about "accountability" and everything being a "big piece of the puzzle".
the offense is almost the same as d'antoni's plus iso-melo and never does he talk about defensive schemes because his random switching is fukking retarded.
all he does is get the team to play hard. but now that's gone.
melo didnt play hard for d'antoni and only does under woodson as he sees fit.
woodson is melo's puppet.
therefor: [B]he's a joke.[/B]
there, i did it again. deal with it. har har.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Where's that thread showing the stupidest posts on ISH? This one is a prime candidate.
1. Because Woodson talks in "coach-speak" and doesn't explicitly spell out his offensive and defensive plans to your satisfaction, this somehow makes him a "joke"? I'll be sure to get in contact with Mike, so he can log into ISH and tell us every single one of his plays and future plans. Would that be enough?
2.What evidence can you point to that indicates Woodson is Melo's "puppet"? Sounds like an unjustified smear to me. Good thing you don't work for a newspaper, you'd be getting sued about now.
3. Every team hits a slump during the season. Miami had one, so did OKC. So, because the Knicks aren't operating at 100% for the entire season, it makes Woodson a "joke"??
4. Again, I'll remind you that the Knicks have the 3rd best record in the entire conference. If they were bottom feeders, I could accept some of your points, but to level them at one of the top EC teams makes zero sense.
Your Woodson obsession is both funny and sad. What you have against him, I have no clue but nothing you've posted even comes close to showing that he's a "joke".
The only joke in this thread is you.
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]:facepalm
Where's that thread showing the stupidest posts on ISH? This one is a prime candidate.
1. Because Woodson talks in "coach-speak" and doesn't explicitly spell out his offensive and defensive plans to your satisfaction, this somehow makes him a "joke"? I'll be sure to get in contact with Mike, so he can log into ISH and tell us every single one of his plays and future plans. Would that be enough?
2.What evidence can you point to that indicates Woodson is Melo's "puppet"? Sounds like an unjustified smear to me. Good thing you don't work for a newspaper, you'd be getting sued about now.
3. Every team hits a slump during the season. Miami had one, so did OKC. So, because the Knicks aren't operating at 100% for the entire season, it makes Woodson a "joke"??
4. Again, I'll remind you that the Knicks have the 3rd best record in the entire conference. If they were bottom feeders, I could accept some of your points, but to level them at one of the top EC teams makes zero sense.
Your Woodson obsession is both funny and sad. What you have against him, I have no clue but nothing you've posted even comes close to showing that he's a "joke".
The only joke in this thread is you.[/QUOTE]
you can rant about me all you want but you still havent come up with one single point to validate iman shumpert starting at small forward.
does this make any sense to you? does the constant switching make any sense to you? if yes, please elaborate instead of trying to tell me i'm obsessed with woodson.
you are not giving a single fukking point on matchups woodson might want to exploit or plays he likes to run, adjustments he made especially to our p+r plays (because there arent any).
dont give me this knicks are 3rd best in the east bullshit when they've a .500 the last two months, playing bad basketball with re-ocurring bad habits.
and they're not hurt. they're missing two old farts who were good for 15 minutes combined. the celtics are hurt but they have a really good coach.
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[QUOTE=Teanett]dont give me this knicks are 3rd best in the east bullshit when they've a .500 the last two months, playing bad basketball with re-ocurring bad habits.[/QUOTE]
:roll: Too bad for you that they actually [B]DO[/B] have the third best record in the East. You can't just dismiss it as though they're last in the conference.
As a famous coach once said: "You are what your record is".
As for your other stupid "points", I'm not going to discuss every nuance of Woodson's rotations and schemes with a troll like you. I have confidence that Mike will get things worked out by the playoffs.
Lots of coaches don't show their full hand until the playoffs, something that Doc Rivers regularly does.
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[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]
2.What evidence can you point to that indicates Woodson is Melo's "puppet"? Sounds like an unjustified smear to me. Good thing you don't work for a newspaper, you'd be getting sued about now.
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remember the honey nut cheerio game?
kg clearly got under melo's skin, and melo was out of control and lost that game.
so with a lot of time left in the 4th, why doesnt woodson pull him out of the game to cool him down, like every coach would?
and then there's the "contusion" game before the all-star break with melo missing layups and shit, going 5-25.
melo does whatever he wants and woodson will do nothing about it.