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Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Yeah, too bad Melo doesn't statpad. Then b1tches like you would defend him on internet message boards.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
So the best scorer in the league this year should pass more?
I understand jacking 3s in game 5 was a disgrace, but c'mon son. Troll harder, no one expects him to pass the ball. That's what point guards are for
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[QUOTE=Psycho]Yeah, too bad Melo doesn't statpad. Then b1tches like you would defend him on internet message boards.[/QUOTE]
Stat padders are more efficient and win games. If the player is stat padding, they are winning the game obviously. If a player has to chuck up shots to carry his team, they are not.
This has nothing to do with LeBron/Melo. Just speaking in general.
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[QUOTE=DaSeba5]Stat padders are more efficient and win games. If the player is stat padding, they are winning the game obviously.
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Kevin Love and the 2011-2012 Timberwolves beg to differ.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Melo is a good player. Not great, but solidly good. That's all he's ever been.
People have always tried to put him in the tier of the LeBron's, the Kobe's, the Wade's, but he's never been that. He's more in line with the Joe Johnson's, the Carlos Boozer's and the Blake Griffin's.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=kNicKz]So the [B]best[/B] scorer in the league this year should pass more?
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The best scorer in the league isn't playing in this series. Just the highest scorer.
Intelligent fans know the difference.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=kNicKz]So the best scorer in the league this year should pass more?
I understand jacking 3s in game 5 was a disgrace, but c'mon son. Troll harder, no one expects him to pass the ball. That's what point guards are for[/QUOTE]
23 shots per game on 38% shooting, yes he should pass more. :oldlol:
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=Levity]Kevin Love and the 2011-2012 Timberwolves beg to differ.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not like that team was great. Love's numbers had an impact on games. Rebounds, assists, and points still impact a game even if they are stat padding. It's better than relying on your shots only.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
He's just chucking and chocking
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=OldSkoolball#52]The best scorer in the league isn't playing in this series. Just the highest scorer.
Intelligent fans know the difference.[/QUOTE]
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo is a good player. Not great, but solidly good. That's all he's ever been.
People have always tried to put him in the tier of the LeBron's, the Kobe's, the Wade's, but he's never been that. He's more in line with the Joe Johnson's, the Carlos Boozer's and the Blake Griffin's.[/QUOTE]
While I rate him higher then jj, boozer and griffin, I agree with you. He isn't a guy who will carry a team through the play offs. Until they start treating him like that and not expecting him to take every possession they won't have play off success.They need the balls to tell melo that he isn't allowed to iso every single play and if he is going to be forced into a tough shot check if anyone else is open first.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DaSeba5]Stat padders are more efficient and win games. [B]If the player is stat padding, they are winning the game obviously[/B]. If a player has to chuck up shots to carry his team, they are not.
This has nothing to do with LeBron/Melo. Just speaking in general.[/QUOTE]
Nah
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=LikeABosh]23 shots per game on 38% shooting, yes he should pass more. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
False. He should stop taking threes and attack the rim, if that fails then he should post up. Who should he have passed to in game 5? JR Smith?
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
1apg? :oldlol:
And lol @ best scorer in the league, everybody knows that's Durant.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=HomieWeMajor]Nah[/QUOTE]
Not always, but I mean if somebody is padding their stats they are leaving an impact on the game more. I don't mean somebody carrying a bad team and trying to get stats. I mean like having 10 assists and 8 rebounds with 30 points helps the team more staying in the game, then somebody who relies on shooting only.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=kNicKz]False. He should stop taking threes and attack the rim, if that fails then he should post up. Who should he have passed to in game 5? JR Smith?[/QUOTE]
If Melo could make a layup, then maybe. But he's an awful finisher at the rim, I don't know if I've ever seen somebody blow easy layups more frequently. He's 12-25 at the rim in this series. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=kNicKz]False. He should stop taking threes and attack the rim, if that fails then he should post up. Who should he have passed to in game 5? JR Smith?[/QUOTE]
Maybe Felton? You know, the best Knick player in this series?
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DaSeba5]Not always, but I mean if somebody is padding their stats they are leaving an impact on the game more. I don't mean somebody carrying a bad team and trying to get stats. I mean like having 10 assists and 8 rebounds with 30 points helps the team more staying in the game, then somebody who relies on shooting only.[/QUOTE]
I hear that
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Damn.. That's pathetic.
Brook lopez>Melo.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Haha and Knicks fans facepalmed me when I said Melo is not better than D-Wade. When's the last time Wade averaged 1 apg in a series?
Do Knicks fans still think they can compete with Miami? :lol
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Best scorer? LOL. Look at the box score of KD's last two games. He was double teamed all game and put up those numbers
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Melo is a inefficient ball hogging chucker. More than Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Melo is a good player. Not great, but solidly good. That's all he's ever been.
People have always tried to put him in the tier of the LeBron's, the Kobe's, the Wade's, but he's never been that. He's more in line with the Joe Johnson's, the Carlos Boozer's and the Blake Griffin's.[/QUOTE]
He is definitely better than Griffin, Boozer, and Joe Johnson...but I agree with the point you were trying to make.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
Melo being the best scorer in the game is laughable to begin with. Give me eff and potent scoring over aesthetics any day
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]He is definitely better than Griffin, Boozer, and Joe Johnson...but I agree with the point you were trying to make.[/QUOTE]
No he's not.
You think this because in your mind there's a natural tendency to compare them with the assumption each one is at his best. You aren't taking into account how often Melo can be a liability, which the other guys are not.
If you were to make each guy a line on a graph, Melo would have higher peaks, but he'd also have deeper valleys. It'd average out to about the same.
Marc Gasol is a more valuable player overall than Carmelo. You need to look at the whole game and not just individual scoring totals.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
I really like Melo...and his game, but this more par for the course.
He shoots 41.8% for his career in the playoffs. That just isn't good enough...but especially not when you dominate the ball and jack it up 22 or 23 times a night like he has in his prime in the playoffs.
And you can't average less than 3 assists per game when you dominate the ball like that.
It's not winning basketball unless he gets that efficiency way up. I hope he does...because the Knicks could pose some problems and make the East interesting.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=OldSkoolball#52]No he's not.
You think this because in your mind there's a natural tendency to compare them with the assumption each one is at his best. You aren't taking into account how often Melo can be a liability, which the other guys are not.
If you were to make each guy a line on a graph, Melo would have higher peaks, but he'd also have deeper valleys. It'd average out to about the same.
Marc Gasol is a more valuable player overall than Carmelo. You need to look at the whole game and not just individual scoring totals.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree about Marc Gasol (or it is at least a debate...but the other guys just aren't as good as Melo)...but I think Marc Gasol is definitely better than those other 3 guys.
So I don't see your point at all. Boozer, Griffin, and JJ are just not as good as Melo.
Marc Gasol is a different story mate.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=OldSkoolball#52]
Marc Gasol is a more valuable player overall than Carmelo [/QUOTE]
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
What makes Joe Johnson better than Melo :wtf:
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=chazzy]What makes Joe Johnson better than Melo :wtf:[/QUOTE]
Nothing. People have to go to extremes...just because Melo is over-rated...does not mean he's on the same level as Boozer/JJ...that is just madness.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I actually agree about Marc Gasol (or it is at least a debate...but the other guys just aren't as good as Melo)...but I think Marc Gasol is definitely better than those other 3 guys.
So I don't see your point at all. Boozer, Griffin, and JJ are just not as good as Melo.
Marc Gasol is a different story mate.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, I never explicitly claimed Melo was worse than those players. Just that he's in the same general tier of players they are in. Just as Griffin is definitely better than Boozer, they're still within the same tier.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]To be fair, I never explicitly claimed Melo was worse than those players. Just that he's in the same general tier of players they are in.[/QUOTE]
Yea, but he's not in their tier. He's definitely in a higher tier than those guys. Definitely.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Yea, but he's not in their tier. He's definitely in a higher tier than those guys. Definitely.[/QUOTE]
Debatable. Depends how loosely or tightly you want categorize tiers.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]To be fair, I never explicitly claimed Melo was worse than those players. Just that he's in the same general tier of players they are in. Just as Griffin is definitely better than Boozer, they're still within the same tier.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: Boozer and Griffin are not in the same tier. :facepalm
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=Psycho]:wtf: Boozer and Griffin are not in the same tier. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
See the above post
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
So I don't see your point at all. Boozer, Griffin, and JJ are just not as good as Melo.
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Well Joe Johnson, no. He's not as good as the other three.
But Boozer and Griffin are.
Frankly, a lot of guys in this league are on the same level as Carmelo for the simple fact of knowing when NOT to shoot, and doing other things that contribute. Boozer and Griffin are both very good rebounders. Both pass the ball well. In fact Boozer averages the same number of assists per 14 shots taken that Carmelo does per 22 shots taken. Carmelo is a volume scoring shot jacker who is, to be frank, still dumb and immature. He's just a dumb person/player. Period.
Again, there are nights when Carmelo is a LIABILITY to his team. There are only a handful of guys in the league who play meaningful minutes that that can be said about. Those guys are all volume scorers and inherently overrated. If you go and look at adjusted stats, it always bears that out. Carmelo's impact on wins and losses is not equal to what most peoples impression is of him based on his "skills" scoring the basketball. Ball movement puts the ball in the basket just as often as volume chuckers. The Nuggets have finished with a better record in the west than he has with the knicks in the east both years since he left.
Griffin and Boozer are good, quality players, but clearly not studs. Just like Carmelo. Carmelo is not a stud. Lebron James is a stud. Dirk Nowitzki was a stud in the playoffs two years ago. Parker was a stud this year.
I don't know what you think makes Carmelo Anthony a tier above Griffin and Boozer.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Debatable. Depends how loosely or tightly you want categorize tiers.[/QUOTE]
If we, as a basketball community, can't come to agreement that Carmelo Anthony is definitely better than the likes of Griffin, JJ, and Boozer...then debating anything is pointless.
:wtf:
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
You have to define "better" better.
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Re: Melo is averaging 4rpg, 1apg, and shooting 40% in this series.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]If we, as a basketball community, can't come to agreement that Carmelo Anthony is definitely better than the likes of Griffin, JJ, and Boozer...then debating anything is pointless.
:wtf:[/QUOTE]
I never said he wasn't.
LeBron is DEFINITELY better than Durant. They're still in the same tier.