Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Do not comment on this post until you take a few moments to read this article. Otherwise you are just talking out of your arse, being a hater. If you educate yourself by reading this article and you still disagree with what Derrick Rose is doing, I would like to hear your explanation.

[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/grant-hill-s-advice-for-derrick-rose-s-critics.html[/url]

Grant Hill

Rose has already sat out an entire year. :lol

Yea - most fans know Grant's situation - and that's why I was against him playing the regular season (along with the fact that the Bulls would be losing 17 million).

But right - he can't be watching Noah play on one leg, watch Nate Robinson fill his spot out there and not feel like an absolute biitch.

Rose has no physical injuries.

Rose is puss. Obvi.

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I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.

Grant Hill is awesome and I agree with anything he says

Signed, suns fan

PS Grant come back to the Suns and be our #1 option

props to Grant Hill. :applause: always a classy professional player

[QUOTE=Unbiased_one]I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.[/QUOTE]
Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.

Why doesn't Rose just tell the media "I'm done, I'm out of the playoffs this year and will be playing next season to work myself back in the game".

NOT that he actually has to sit out. He can say this AND still suit up if he feels comfortable later on the playoffs. But his constant, "Yeah any day now... I think I could be ready... maybe", it's keeping fans and critics wondering.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.[/QUOTE]

At the very least, Lebron, Pau, Chris Paul and Howard were more valuable than him. You could easily argue for dirk, pierce and durant as well.

In that article, they skip ahead five years, from Rookie Grant Hill to 27 year Hill, in a matter of a sentence, but it's worth stating age is a factor in healing and Rose is a a handful of years younger. Wouldn't surprise me if physical therapy has advanced since then too.

Rose was 23 when he got injured and somewhat conveniently got injured going into the offseason. Yet, he still missed the whole season. Not really a big deal, but...

The whole "I could be back any game" stuff Rose has said in the past month or two gives people the reasonable idea that he's very close to returning and probably at least 80% physical healthy.

Not to mention, Rose and Adidas heavily marketed his return to basketball in sports media, basically putting it on the tip of everybody's tongue leading up to the AS break and beyond. Don't think that helped him.

Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season, but it was well known and established at the time that he would indeed be out. Mostly due to the timing of his surgery (january). But with the timing of Rose's injury, it wasn't a stretch of the imagination given the average healing time to expect him to be on the court by now.

I want him to come back, but coming back mid-playoffs is not realistic and might even be "dangerous". He should just sit it out. Would have like to seen him 2-3 weeks prior to the playoffs though.

Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't help his case that he goes out and runs around the court for pregame shootarounds in front of crowds. You're going out of your way to show the public that you're able to run, shoot and play.

Why is this article trying to make it seem like this is 1960 and a torn ACL is a career ender? It's 20 fcuking 13.. It's very easy for an athlete to come back at 90-100% 8 months after a torn ACL.. Rose is just a bitch with muscle memory problems.. :lol

Rose don't care about basketball, all he cares about is a paycheck.

didnt read.


what you gone do?

Tim hardaway:


Hardaway told [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobulls/post/_/id/9805/hardaway-rose-shouldnt-rush-return"][COLOR=#7a4300]Jared Zwerling writing for ESPNChicago.com[/COLOR][/URL] that Rose needs to consider sitting out an entire season (hat tip [URL="http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/09/tim-hardaway-thinks-derrick-rose-should-sit-out-the-entire-season/"][COLOR=#7a4300]SLAM[/COLOR][/URL]).
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What you said:
[QUOTE=daj0264]didnt read.


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What everyone assumes:
[QUOTE=daj0264]cant read.


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Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, taking special care to ignore the thoughtful requests of the OP and thought provoking arguments explained in the article.

Honestly any comments on this issue from past or present NBA players I take with a huge grain of salt. They're all people who've been catered to since probably HS, they're all in this spoiled millionaire club. They back each other, not surprising.

tell me derrick rose jock riders, is it EXHAUSTING constantly having to think of rationalizations for what he's doing?

I found the article to be very much on point. I appreciate the share.

:biggums: [QUOTE=SCdac]Honestly any comments on this issue from past or present NBA players I take with a huge grain of salt. They're all people who've been catered to since probably HS, they're all in this spoiled millionaire club. They back each other, not surprising.[/QUOTE]
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So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?

FOH. The three of you combined probably haven't played one season of competitive ball yet you guys are experts.

I love how guys say Rose is 100% fine or Rose isn't injured or feeling pain.

Hill, a great source and a well liked and respected player JUST SAID in the OP that EVEN THOUGH TEAM DOCTORS CLEAR YOU IT DOESN'T (necessarily) MEAN YOU SHOULD PLAY.

you guys are freakin dense I swear.

[QUOTE=knickswin]tell me derrick rose jock riders, is it EXHAUSTING constantly having to think of rationalizations for what he's doing?[/QUOTE]


There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.

I don't get how a fatass computer geek with no life gets off telling D. Rose he's a ***** but I guess it takes all sorts....

[QUOTE=Go Getter]There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.

I don't get how a fatass computer geek with no life gets off telling D. Rose he's a ***** but I guess it takes all sorts....[/QUOTE]
This is getting hilarious. Rose tards aren't even arguing injuries anymore. They're just arguing that a healthy player should rest.

Ok Chicago fans. Just make sure you never say a fcuking word about jay cutler ever again.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]This is getting hilarious. Rose tards aren't even arguing injuries anymore. They're just arguing that a healthy player should rest.[/QUOTE]
The hilarity lies in your transparent attempts at trolling. Nice try retard. Get a life, some friends, or a real hobby you socially inept idiot.

I feel sorry for your father having raised such a POS coward. For real...the way you entertain yourself is ****ing pathetic.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]The hilarity lies in your transparent attempts at trolling. Nice try retard. Get a life, some friends, or a real hobby you socially inept idiot.

I feel sorry for your father having raised such a POS coward. For real...the way you entertain yourself is ****ing pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.[/QUOTE]
GQ ranked SLC as a top 7 lovation for bachelors in the US:

-low cost of living
-beautiful mountain vistas
-lots of Island girls
-close proximity to Vegas
-I get tons of free NBA tickets


BUt when you live with your parents and are two scared to go on va-ca by yourselfr I see how you'd be scared to travel.


Your mom's basement must be hooked up....you got a private entrance and exit i bet.

[QUOTE]One fan has sued Rose for emotional distress
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:facepalm

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.[/QUOTE]

The joke's on you. People don't know what they're missing. SLC is a damn nice place. Even the Mormons were cool lol.

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So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?[/QUOTE]

Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Grant Hill is "mindlessly" backing anyone. He's been in the situation of being pressured to play when he wasn't feeling right (despite what the doctors and trainers were saying at the time) and can relate to what Rose is going through now. What's so mindless about that? If Grant Hill had never gone through his own injury and was backing Rose then you would have a point of the brotherhood sticking together.

big difference. Rose has been DOMINATING in practices.. Thibs calls him the best player in practice and his own teammates do too..

Hill just mad

I have never faulted Rose on not returning. He may be cleared to play, but you're the only one who knows how good you're feeling. Just because someone says you're fine doesn't necessarily mean you're fine.

I'm ok with letting him listen to his own body and making a decision.

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So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?

FOH. The three of you combined probably haven't played one season of competitive ball yet you guys are experts.

I love how guys say Rose is 100% fine or Rose isn't injured or feeling pain.

Hill, a great source and a well liked and respected player JUST SAID in the OP that EVEN THOUGH TEAM DOCTORS CLEAR YOU IT DOESN'T (necessarily) MEAN YOU SHOULD PLAY.

you guys are freakin dense I swear.[/QUOTE]

At the tone of 20 plus threads about Rose during the playoffs this isn't about caring for the truth. The team and all of its extensions are on one page and its more unanimous than Mayweather against a scrub, in favor of Rose. His teammates are visually supportive of him. Superstar players (Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill) who had leg injuries have also chimed in on Rose's behalf. Not one professional, doctor, person in the front office, super high investor in this matter or ball player has said Rose should have been playing because they know how it is. There is a ton of third, fourth and fifth party info that is floating around and people have ran with it, mainly because they have this internal thirst to one up him.

To get this feeling like they voted with other haters to denigrate Rose. Its not complicated because they are very simple people. They wear their hate on their sleeves.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]I don't think Grant Hill is "mindlessly" backing anyone. He's been in the situation of being pressured to play when he wasn't feeling right (despite what the doctors and trainers were saying at the time) and can relate to what Rose is going through now. What's so mindless about that? If Grant Hill had never gone through his own injury and was backing Rose then you would have a point of the brotherhood sticking together.[/QUOTE]

almost 100% of players in the NBA have had a major injury at one point another. It's not unique to Hill, it's not unique to Rose, it's not that unique in general. Players get shut down left and right nowadays, especially preemptively.

Basically it's like this:

NBA player --- "Rose should come back when he's 110% ready ... actually he should come back when he's 120%!"

NBA fan --- "Rose should come back when he's 90% ready or so. If he's physically ready, he should contribute and work his way into mental shape"

NBA GM --- "Something in between both of those. But because we've invested millions in Rose it's important he is comfortable and not rushed so he doesn't leave or hate us forever"

The biggest issue isn't even him not playing, if he or the Bulls would just come out and say "he's not playing" then people wouldn't talk about so much. When the dude is like my status is up in the air, obviously everyone is going to get annoyed.

He could even come back after they officially said he won't, if he felt like it, but they are just idiotic for not saying anything.

Lets be real here... Grant Hill, Tim Hardaway, and Magic Johnson have about the same credibility to speak on the situation as 3 random people on this board. They arent doctors, they arent close with Rose. They are random fans with their own opinion just like you and me.


Having said that. Before the playoffs there was an interview with a player who tore his ACL, I forget who, might have even been Doug Collins who also suffered the same thing. He said the hardest part by far was overcoming the mental aspect of the injury. Trusting your knee not to explode again. This is where Rose is at. His instincts are telling him not to play because he is scared. Being scared is an instinct. Its pretty obvious on every level what going on here. No one close to Rose is going to tell him to man up and come back because that would be extremely offensive to Rose on a personal level.


Tl;Dr.. Rose is a bitch

[QUOTE=SCdac]Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.[/QUOTE]

Nahhh, not the same as union workers. Overall you have been negative in this matter despite not hearing from personal trainers, doctors or those who have invested millions in Rose.

Hill is in the same profession, was a player of superstar impact, and dealt with a similar type circumstance that puts the balance of long term, decision making on the table. Hill isn't telling anybody to think like him - he's saying think. Period. When Shumpert said its about a franchise thinking like a franchise and protecting its long term risk, they are telling folks to think big picture. Something which you never talk about.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.[/QUOTE]

Really...ive been a Bulls fan since before Jordan. My mom has been a Bulls fan since Jerry sloan days(with a brief stop as a Laker fan because of Magic but I believe society pardons fickle female sports fans). My brothers are bulls fans. Several of my close friends as well.

You know the only person I see in person who has sounded like the people online mad at Rose?

My 19 year old cousin who thinks Carmelo Anthony and Kobe are both better than Jordan....and thinks Jrue Holiday is the best point in the league.

And for the record the last part...maybe...one day. But if you heard his reasoning you would die laughing.

This is just version 193298 of internet haters finding a subject to latch on to and make it a bigger deal than it is.

I have Heat fan friends who have nothing negative to say about Rose. Knick fans. But on here its nothing but "Rose is bitchmade!", "***** ass Rose...MAN UP!" and calling out fans and all that? I dont know what happens to people when they get to type instead of speak. Would people really be this awful in person without the risk of physical violence?

Is that all thats keeping the real world sports fans from being like on the internet? Knowing they are risking their lives by acting this way?

When Rose got hurt I read reports saying he might be back by christmas...other than he will be out a year...hopefully letting him return for the playoffs. Many many estimates in the year range. Here we are a year later and hes...kinda/sorta ready and people act like they had no idea he could be gone a year?

Jeff posted an article on the ISH main site saying their GM wasnt expecting him back this year at all.

And that was in June.

But now...he was supposed to be back months ago all along?

Hes being selfish...hurting the entire city...letting down his team?

Meanwhile every player to speak up thinks he needs to ignore all of you, the team is fine and behind him...as they didnt plan on him playing anyway...and hes about ready to play...a year after injury. As many reports said was the time frame?

Nah. real Bulls fans are not that upset.

If they are I dont know them.

And I know an awful lot of Bulls fans...

And truth be told...in person...Heat/Knick fans arent this bad about it either.

Grant Hill said something didn't feel right when he played teammates. D-Rose was cleared months ago and has been practicing for at least a month now. He only has to play spot minutes to give Nate a rest. How else is he going to redevelop muscle memory?

[URL="http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9239520/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-held-back-lack-muscle-memory-according-report"]http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9239520/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-held-back-lack-muscle-memory-according-report[/URL]