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A guy who puts up the stats that he did.
Sure he was dominant as a player too, but I'm more referring to a guy who could score 100 points in a game, or put up a 50 point, 30 rebound game with multiple blocks...
In the 1967-68 year, he put up 24 points, 24 rebounds and 8.5 assists in a year, that is insane :eek:
No. Don't be ridiculous.
We've already seen another Wilt in terms of utter dominance, though. His name was Shaquille O'Neal.
maybe if you can imagine a muscular 8ft tall and coordinated fantasy player, he'll average 50+/ game.
keyword: fantasy
ofc yes
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but only if he wants to come back to the NBA
Check the Nuggets' roster.
[QUOTE=Scholar]No. Don't be ridiculous.
We've already seen another Wilt in terms of utter dominance, though. His name was Shaquille O'Neal.[/QUOTE]
Shaq wasn't as dominant as Wilt though.
[QUOTE=Scholar]No. Don't be ridiculous.
We've already seen another Wilt in terms of utter dominance, though. His name was Shaquille O'Neal.[/QUOTE]
Dominance yes.
As I said in my opening post, I meant stats wise :cheers:
I had a quick look at Shaq's stats, I think his best season stats wise was 23 points, 14 rebounds and 3.5 blocks and that was his rookie year :eek: Although, his more rounded stats came in his Laker years...
Scoring is down overall now. The equivalent would be something like a 40 PPG, 20 RPG year, and I don't see that happening again either.
[QUOTE=jzek]Check the Nuggets' roster.[/QUOTE]
Javale McGee? Who?
You might be referring to Faried, But I don't think he will ever do a 50/30 game.
[QUOTE=DCL]maybe if you can imagine a muscular 8ft tall and coordinated fantasy player, he'll average 50+/ game.
keyword: fantasy[/QUOTE]
:lol
[QUOTE=poido123]Javale McGee?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, McGee.
Keep in mind the reasons why Wilt was so dominant in his era:
* More athletic than everybody else (league back then was full of non-athletic white guys)
* Taller than everybody else (there were like only 2 or 3 7-footers back in the day)
McGee fits the bill. He can replicate what Wilt did if you put him in the 60s and 70s playing against 6-9 white guys who can barely jump 2 inches.
On the other hand, put Wilt in this era. AT BEST he's a 20-10 guy solely because of the lack of quality centers in today's game. Put him in the 90s era (Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, etc.) and he's a 15-8 guy.
Wilt's dominance is largely based on the fact that he was so athletically and physically more gifted than his opponents.
[QUOTE=jzek]Yeah, McGee.
Keep in mind the reasons why Wilt was so dominant in his era:
* More athletic than everybody else (league back then was full of non-athletic white guys)
* Taller than everybody else (there were like only 2 or 3 7-footers back in the day)
McGee fits the bill. He can replicate what Wilt did if you put him in the 60s and 70s playing against 6-9 white guys who can barely jump 2 inches.
On the other hand, put Wilt in this era. AT BEST he's a 20-10 guy solely because of the lack of quality centers in today's game. Put him in the 90s era (Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, etc.) and he's a 15-8 guy.
Wilt's dominance is largely based on the fact that he was so athletically and physically more gifted than his opponents.[/QUOTE]
Wow, I used to be a fan of Wilt but now that I learned this I'm not anymore thanks this is good to know.
LMAO whats so special about Wilt barely a top 10 player all time.
Better question is will we see another Lebron James?
Joel Anthony :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Put today's superstars into a game with the pace and (no)defense of 50s/60s and all of them will achieve those kinds of stats.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Shaq wasn't as [B]dominant[/B] as Wilt though.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Something funny? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Something funny? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause:
GOAT Wilt Stan:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
The way I see Wilt is that he was just steps ahead of everybody in his Era. With the way how Athletic everyone is now, I really doubt he'll average the same numbers as he did back then. PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO LET GO. Face it, the game has evolved & there's a reason for it.
Shaq Or Hakeem.
[QUOTE=DCL]maybe if you can imagine a muscular 8ft tall and coordinated fantasy player, he'll average 50+/ game.
keyword: fantasy[/QUOTE]
Sadly this is the truth. No your question, OP.
Wilt sure didn't win a lot for playing in the weakest era in NBA history. I don't even think rings are all that. But how do you let your biggest competitor beat you in championships 11-2? Russell really seemed to own his soul. And Russell in this era wouldn't even be good enough to play in the NBA. I think its safe to say Wilt just wasn't much of a winner.
[QUOTE=jzek]Yeah, McGee.
Keep in mind the reasons why Wilt was so dominant in his era:
* More athletic than everybody else (league back then was full of non-athletic white guys)
* Taller than everybody else (there were like only 2 or 3 7-footers back in the day)
McGee fits the bill. He can replicate what Wilt did if you put him in the 60s and 70s playing against 6-9 white guys who can barely jump 2 inches.
On the other hand, put Wilt in this era. AT BEST he's a 20-10 guy solely because of the lack of quality centers in today's game. Put him in the 90s era (Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, etc.) and he's a 15-8 guy.
Wilt's dominance is largely based on the fact that he was so athletically and physically more gifted than his opponents.[/QUOTE]
pretty much this..
no ones ever gona score 100 points in a game or avg 40 points a season
just not possible with how the league has developed into
this is a dumb topic..
[QUOTE=jzek]Yeah, McGee.
Keep in mind the reasons why Wilt was so dominant in his era:
* More athletic than everybody else (league back then was full of non-athletic white guys)
* Taller than everybody else (there were like only 2 or 3 7-footers back in the day)
McGee fits the bill. He can replicate what Wilt did if you put him in the 60s and 70s playing against 6-9 white guys who can barely jump 2 inches.
On the other hand, put Wilt in this era. AT BEST he's a 20-10 guy solely because of the lack of quality centers in today's game. Put him in the 90s era (Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, etc.) and he's a 15-8 guy.
Wilt's dominance is largely based on the fact that he was so athletically and physically more gifted than his opponents.[/QUOTE]
That's why I love seeing Jlauber's walls of text posted time and time again and basically destroying threads. Because garbage like this never ceases.
15/8 in the 90's he says. :oldlol: Danny Schayes was exactly what you were bashing earlier (a white guy who could jump 2 inches) and he averaged close to 10/7 [B]in less than a half[/B] and close to 11/7 in 27 mins in the "holy 90's". Kevin Duckworth averaged 18/8 in 34 mins playing against many of the same centers.
I can only imagine Wilt's coach in the 90's saying to him "watch out, Wilt, Danny Schayes is coming for your soul tonight! :lol Wilt would probably give him 50+ if this was a real scenario (and 60+ if they played in the 60's and Wilt didn't rest).
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Why laugh, the adjective is "dominant", not "dominate". I'd expect people to have learned this. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]The way I see Wilt is that he was just steps ahead of everybody in his Era. With the way how Athletic everyone is now, I really doubt he'll average the same numbers as he did back then. PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO LET GO. Face it, the game has evolved & there's a reason for it.
Shaq Or Hakeem.[/QUOTE]
Right, EVERY center in the league today is equipped with a gifted basketball mind, a hyper competitive drive, stands 7-1 w/o shoes, is equipped with a 7-8 wingspan, and has conditioned themselves with track and field athleticism and bodybuilder strength. Wilt had those tools and it made him only good for his time. Silly me :hammerhead:
Wilt would be 6-7 Joel Anthony today, he'd actually shrink and get dumber and less athletic:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E51h4JsOa0[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5VfVMo1r0[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwvdsi6gLl8[/url]
[QUOTE=jzek]Yeah, McGee.
Keep in mind the reasons why Wilt was so dominant in his era:
* More athletic than everybody else (league back then was full of non-athletic white guys)
* Taller than everybody else (there were like only 2 or 3 7-footers back in the day)
McGee fits the bill. He can replicate what Wilt did if you put him in the 60s and 70s playing against 6-9 white guys who can barely jump 2 inches.
On the other hand, put Wilt in this era. AT BEST he's a 20-10 guy solely because of the lack of quality centers in today's game. Put him in the 90s era (Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, etc.) and he's a 15-8 guy.
Wilt's dominance is largely based on the fact that he was so athletically and physically more gifted than his opponents.[/QUOTE]
I can see what you're getting at, but I am talking about a modern or future player doing it in their own era.
I will say that there will be one player that will do it in the next 30 years..
For hypothetical sake, Mcgee would find a way to fck it up if he ever got close, like he would get to 49 and 30, then brick an open dunk in the last minute :lol
[QUOTE=roffie]pretty much this..
no ones ever gona score 100 points in a game or avg 40 points a season
just not possible with how the league has developed into
this is a dumb topic..[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because it stands to reason that the notch below "Wilt's dominance" is "15/8 guy", like he wrote...
[QUOTE]LMAO whats so special about Wilt barely a top 10 player all time.
Better question is will we see another Lebron James?[/QUOTE]
Even if Wilt was only a top-10 player of all-time (he's obviously better), you're seriously asking what's special with a top-10 player of all-time?
Yeah, what's so special with a player greater than 99.5%+ of all players in NBA history...? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=roffie]pretty much this..
no ones ever gona score 100 points in a game or avg 40 points a season
just not possible with how the league has developed into
this is a dumb topic..[/QUOTE]
I'm fine if you don't like the topic, but I tried to create one that was kind of original.
I just think we have had enough of Jordan vs Lebron vs Kobe threads for a while...
[QUOTE=Haks]LMAO whats so special about Wilt barely a top 10 player all time.
Better question is will we see another Lebron James?[/QUOTE]
What has Lebron done that Wilt didn't do? Or Magic or Oscar or Bird. On the other hand, there's lots of things Lebron hasn't done that Wilt has.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]nd Russell in this era wouldn't even be good enough to play in the NBA. [/QUOTE]
That's horseshit. Are you telling me Russell wouldn't be a great defender, rebounder, and competitor in this era? Based on what? That he was 6'10"? That he was athletic like Wilt was? That he won at every level?
[QUOTE=Marchesk]What has Lebron done that Wilt didn't do? Or Magic or Oscar or Bird. On the other hand, there's lots of things Lebron hasn't done that Wilt has.[/QUOTE]
Lebron is better than Wilt Chambarlain in every facet of the game other than rebounding.
In his prime Wilt would be competing with KLOVE for rebounding title in this era but other than that he would be quite irrelevant
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]The way I see Wilt is that he was just steps ahead of everybody in his Era. With the way how Athletic everyone is now, I really doubt he'll average the same numbers as he did back then. PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO LET GO. Face it, the game has evolved & there's a reason for it.
Shaq Or Hakeem.[/QUOTE]
Shaq and Hakeem aren't in the league anymore. Why does everyone think athleticism is the same thing as skill. Is Nash super athletic? What about Dirk? Pierce in his 30s? Garnett? Athleticism is overrated. There are tons of athletic dudes who either don't make the pros or ride the pine because they don't have the skill. Skill matters. Athleticism is nice to have, but it doesn't make you a good basketball player.
Anyway, Wilt was plenty athletic, and the reason he wouldn't average those numbers now is because the style of the game has changed, not because of super athletes. Really, is Lebron supposed to be keeping Wilt from scoring? Like he kept Hibbert from scoring? Lebron can't guard a legit 5. (Or a legit 4 for any length of time).
You need legit bigs with good defense to do that. What athletic big men are you using today to slow Wilt down? You can argue for more advanced defensive tactics, and strategies to hack or deny Wilt the ball. But it won't be because of athleticism.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Something funny? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Wilt's Finals stats
A guy who puts up the stats he did? Only if the league once again averages up to ~150 possessions a game, compared to todays ~90.... i seriously doubt that will happen.... i made a thread a time ago which might interest you on this topic: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294854[/url]
Will we see another Wilt? Yes, there has been similar Centers or perhaps even better... stats dont show it, but if you take a look at the thread above you will see why that is and how well other greats from modern era would do with Wilt's pace/poss. per game....
[QUOTE=Haks]Lebron is better than Wilt Chambarlain in every facet of the game other than rebounding.
In his prime Wilt would be competing with KLOVE for rebounding title in this era but other than that he would be quite irrelevant[/QUOTE]
Lebron is better at rim protecting? :lol
What makes you think Lebron is a better scorer? I'll give you passing because Lebron plays point-forward. But it's not like Wilt didn't have seasons where he had assist totals similar to Lebron's.
[QUOTE=pauk]A guy who puts up the stats he did? Only if the league once again averages ~150 possessions a game, compared to todays ~90....
[B]Will we see another Wilt? Yes, there has been similar players or even better.[/B]..[/QUOTE]
Not to be a stickler, but I am purely referring to stats. There's a reason why I didn't bring dominance into it, because it would start a Lebron vs Jordan vs Wilt battle etc.
It's not out of the question to think that Wilt could be very dominant stat wise in today's league with the lack of good centres.
Something like 25 points, 22 rebounds and 4 blocks is about right for him, depending on his role in the team.
The better question to ask is not will we see someone put up those kind of numbers again, because it would require a faster pace than has been played since that era.
The question to ask is will we ever see player who does the following:
Leads the league in scoring 7 times. Leads it in rebounding 11 times. Leads it in FG percentage 9 times. Is the assist leader once. Is a league leader in blocks the entire time (with one or two others - Russell and Thurmond).
Nobody else in history - not Oscar, not Mike, not Lebron - have led the league in that many categories. Now that is statistical dominance.
Interesting question, not necessarily in the stats sense, but could any player basically "break" the game of basketball in this era? Could any player be "too good for the game"? Shaq came close from 00 to 02, so I don't think it's impossible. Shaq and Jordan were two players that sometimes had you thinking they needed to be put in another, superior league than the NBA... only that league didn't exist.
[QUOTE=$LakerGold]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Wilt's skill set makes Shaq blush. Wilt was much more skilled on top of that he was really tall, big, athletic, and strong. Wilt actually pride himself on his defense and rebounding. That makes him more dominant than Shaq.
[QUOTE=pauk]A guy who puts up the stats he did? Only if the league once again averages up to ~150 possessions a game, compared to todays ~90.... i seriously doubt that will happen.... i made a thread a time ago which might interest you on this topic: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294854[/url]
Will we see another Wilt? Yes, there has been similar Centers or perhaps even better... stats dont show it, but if you take a look at the thread above you will see why that is and how well other greats from modern era would do with Wilt's pace/poss. per game....[/QUOTE]
Serious question pauk: From where did you get the 150 possessions a game estimate? I've seen you cite it numerous times, but you've never provided calculations or a source. There have been three attempts at estimating pace in the basketball statistics community:
ElGee (6 >= 130, highest 135.9): [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dE5jQnJyOG50ODNCZ0hpZFZpaGhnRWc&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=2&filterstr0=NBA&sortcolid=18&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=25[/url]
basketball-reference.com (5 >= 130, highest 133.3): [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dE5jQnJyOG50ODNCZ0hpZFZpaGhnRWc&type=view&gid=1&f=true&colid0=2&filterstr0=NBA&sortcolid=19&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=25[/url]
Dean Oliver (3>= 130, highest 132.9): [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dE5jQnJyOG50ODNCZ0hpZFZpaGhnRWc&type=view&gid=2&f=true&colid0=2&filterstr0=NBA&sortcolid=18&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=25[/url]
Now I don't care about Wilt, but I've seen you casually throw this 150 number around enough that I had to intervene. If you have calculations/a valid source then please provide it, otherwise stop spreading misinformation, and edit that post to say 130 from now on (I say from now on because I've seen that exact post from you more than a half dozen times). Not everybody will put the work in to investigate, and might take that post as fact.