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In my industry we call them granolas. Those type of people who are always pushing all natural, gluten free, non-GMO.....
I find that most of them are ignorant to the facts. Usually know very little yet it gives them a sense of entitlement. They are constantly looking down at others.
What category do you guys fit in? How do you view these followers?
What are the facts?
These morons wear shirts, clothing and shoes manufactured in sweatshops. Hypocrites of the highest order. Also most of them do it not because they care about changing the world, but only because its fashionable and they want to fit in with the other granolas. Passion for changing the world is a front that most of them hide behind. Of course I am hopeful that some actually do care about changing the world, but I am being a realist when I say that they don't.
It's no different from goths, preps and emos.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]What are the facts?[/QUOTE]
There are facts that support both sides of the fence. It all depends on what you subscribe to. Naturally you'll research the facts that support your POV. I find that the granolas tend to exaggerate their facts, or at least come from a source that over exaggerates.
There is a book called Brandwashed you all should read, about marketting. There was one study done that all people, yes including those who identify themselves as environmentally conscious, are less likely to pick out more expensive organic or "free range" items if no one is around to see them put it in to their shopping basket.
People are more likely to choose the expensive organic items if people are watching them and the area is crowded.
Being organic and healthy has almost become a status symbol of wealth. You have to be able to afford to pay the extra to "save the world".
It really is brilliant marketing. So many morons are falling for these scams every day.
The whole eat natural thing is a sham.
But are you not in the supplement industry? Which is an even bigger sham?
Not really, since it doesn't affect me at all. They have their preferences and I have mine. That said, I think a lot of them are being taken advantage of.
[QUOTE=LJJ]The whole eat natural thing is a sham.
But are you not in the supplement industry? Which is an even bigger sham?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say the supplement indistry is a sham. It's only a sham to the people who look to it for 100% of results.
The most purchased product in our industry is protein powder. Whey protein is no different than any form of meat/vegetable protein when it broken down into it's components. Therefor it's food. Is food a sham?
I think the people who are uneducated in supplements usually resort to calling it a sham
They don't really bug me but i do agree for the majority of those people its clearly more of a image they are trying to achieve rather than actually ensuring they aren't consuming those nasty "toxins". F*ck, any local butcher will have meat cheaper than chain grocers and most likely locally sourced. Do I ever see those "all-natural" folk at the butcher shop? Nope, but i do seem them at whole foods paying out the ass for trendy food products with meaningless labels.
slightly off topic side note: My garden harvest this year was epic. I think i can now call myself an amateur organic farmer.
new agers irritate me more than the all-natural crowd though.
Not really because I have gotten some really good food recommendations from them, especially gluten free stuff. I have a digestive condition that has forced me to be more aware of how certain foods interact with my body and a lot of the recommendations from "all-natural" food people have done well for me.
As far as it being an environmentally conscious lifestyle...I don't really buy into it. I usually just try to buy locally grown produce because it travels a shorter distance. The transportation pollution is the big killer.
My wife is obsessed with buying our baby nothing but organic, sh!t is putting me in the poorhouse.
[QUOTE=hateraid]
I think the people who are uneducated in supplements usually resort to calling it a sham[/QUOTE]
Please. Such a cop out.
The supplement crowd are just as much "food extremist snobs" as those all natural hippies. Which is exactly the reason you loathe them so much, you are just a different branch of food nut.
[QUOTE=hateraid]There are facts that support both sides of the fence. It all depends on what you subscribe to. Naturally you'll research the facts that support your POV. I find that the granolas tend to exaggerate their facts, or at least come from a source that over exaggerates.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine that 99% of supplement "facts" come from studies commissioned by the industry. Then again, I'm not really up on peer reviewed nutrition and biochem studies.
Well I guess I'm one of those types. If I can help it, I would rather buy food with less preservatives, less processed and organic ingredients. I don't push my belief onto others and let them eat whatever they desire.
[QUOTE=hateraid]I wouldn't say the supplement indistry is a sham. It's only a sham to the people who look to it for 100% of results.
The most purchased product in our industry is protein powder. Whey protein is no different than any form of meat/vegetable protein when it broken down into it's components. Therefor it's food. Is food a sham?
I think the people who are uneducated in supplements usually resort to calling it a sham[/QUOTE]
Commercial Whey Protein is a sham. You're pretty uneducated yourself.
BTW since you're the supplement expert, what is your thoughts about Pea Protein:
[url]http://www.nowfoods.com/Pea-Protein-2-lbs.htm[/url]
I usually just mix it in my smoothies after a work out.
[QUOTE=hateraid]I wouldn't say the supplement indistry is a sham. It's only a sham to the people who look to it for 100% of results.
The most purchased product in our industry is protein powder. Whey protein is no different than any form of meat/vegetable protein when it broken down into it's components. Therefor it's food. Is food a sham?
I think the people who are uneducated in supplements usually resort to calling it a sham[/QUOTE]
This is what I always try to explain to people. I was drinking a protein shake at work a while back and a girl comes in and goes "you know those things don't even work. My brother drank them for 3 months and it didn't do anything". The shit works if you know what it's supposed to do. Its like if someone tried to use a flashlight to light a BBQ grill and said "this thing doesn't work".
And as far as the natural stuff goes, I don't think there's a more overplayed word in the food industry than "organic". You wanna talk about scams, paying twice as much for an organic version of a food is a full-on scam
[QUOTE=LJJ]The whole eat natural thing is a sham.
But are you not in the supplement industry? Which is an even bigger sham?[/QUOTE]
How is eating natural a sham? Please elaborate. Eating organic whole foods = sham?
[QUOTE=Zan Tabak]My wife is obsessed with buying our baby nothing but organic, sh!t is putting me in the poorhouse.[/QUOTE]
So I guess your baby will grow up accepting (wait for it)
Only the finest?
[QUOTE=B-Low]This is what I always try to explain to people. I was drinking a protein shake at work a while back and a girl comes in and goes "you know those things don't even work. My brother drank them for 3 months and it didn't do anything". The shit works if you know what it's supposed to do. Its like if someone tried to use a flashlight to light a BBQ grill and said "this thing doesn't work".
And as far as the natural stuff goes, I don't think there's a more overplayed word in the food industry than "organic". You wanna talk about scams, paying twice as much for an organic version of a food is a full-on scam[/QUOTE]
You really think drinking pasteurized dairy does you any good? Of course you do. Completely oblivious to how harmful it really is. You're just talking out of your ass when it comes to this sort of stuff, you really have no idea.
[QUOTE=ALBballer]BTW since you're the supplement expert, what is your thoughts about Pea Protein:
[url]http://www.nowfoods.com/Pea-Protein-2-lbs.htm[/url]
I usually just mix it in my smoothies after a work out.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually curious about pea protein too. I was talking get to someone and they were saying they started using that instead of soy (vegetarian) and they were raving about all the benefits.
[QUOTE=B-Low]I'm actually curious about pea protein too. I was talking get to someone and they were saying they started using that instead of soy (vegetarian) and they were raving about all the benefits.[/QUOTE]
Well over 90% of soy in the US is genetically modified. There is some controversy with soy causing increasing estrogen levels as well.
Pea protein is nasty tho. Took me awhile to get used to it lol.
Paleo people don't really bug me.
But people who 100% consume organic whole wheat pasta and criticize my white rice consumption piss me off a lot lol.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Commercial Whey Protein is a sham. You're pretty uneducated yourself.[/QUOTE]
What do you do for a living?
[QUOTE=Nick Young]
Being organic and healthy has almost become a status symbol of wealth. You have to be able to afford to pay the extra to "save the world".
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This is true. My thing with food is threefold:
I want it to taste good.
I don't want it to have harmful ingredients.
I'd like any animals I eat to be humanely raised.
The best way to do that is to try and stay local, if possible. Go to your farmer's market and meet the people who grow the stuff and raise the livestock. I try and do this whenever possible.
The thing is it's not always convenient and it certainly isn't cheap. So when I'm in the supermarket I go for the produce that looks and smells the freshest. Sometimes it's organic, sometimes not. I try to avoid processed crap and I'm very selective when it comes to meat and fish. That being said, it's still hard to know if the origin of the food (free range, line caught, etc.) on the label is accurate.
[QUOTE=hateraid]In my industry we call them granolas. Those type of people who are always pushing all natural, gluten free, non-GMO.....
I find that most of them are ignorant to the facts. Usually know very little yet it gives them a sense of entitlement. They are constantly looking down at others.
What category do you guys fit in? How do you view these followers?[/QUOTE]
i don't really have a problem with these people. at least they're on the right track... trying to do the right thing, even if it's sort of a fad / identity thing for them. but as they grow older, they'll probably lose much of the attitude about this stuff and get a better handle on the nutritional science.
at the same time, if you're eating like most people in western civilisation, you're pretty much slowly destroying your health. so it's probably a pretty good idea to whang-dang-doodle them facts. :D
[QUOTE=B-Low]So I guess your baby will grow up accepting (wait for it)
Only the finest?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Like father like..........daughter I guess :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=B-Low] Its like if someone tried to use a flashlight to light a BBQ grill and said "this thing doesn't work".
[/QUOTE]
Les Stroud could make it work
As to the OP not an organic foods person or household, we eat healthy but the only things we buy from the natural foods joints are bulk items sometimes, things like steel cut oatmeal because it's actually cheaper than buying the stuff that comes in the can. Whole foods carries some decent coffee you can catch on sale at times. All in all we'll buy things for the house there but not because it's organic, we buy it because it's
A. Cheaper or
B. the only place you can get it.
I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread :roll:
[QUOTE=kNicKz]I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread :roll:[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on the bread. I eat the shit that people eat in stores but I'm sure it's full of shit that you shouldn't be consuming.
Same with pasteurized dairy. I use some for my shake every morning and that's it. Makes me a bit plhegmy too so I don't drink nearly as much as I used to.
I get the farmers market/butcher shit only lifestyle and the paleo lifestyle. I had a paleo dude tell me that grains are the absolute worst since all disease come from gut inflammation which grains cause.
Lot of hot chicks at farmers markets too.
Paleo eating aint that bad though. You can still eat steak and lots of meat. Basically anything but grains.
My grandmother was black, consumed whole milk everyday (most blacks are lactose intolerant, but her gut health was G'ed up), and lived to be 92. She could have easily lived longer, but she succumbed early due to some medical malpractices.
[QUOTE=kNicKz]I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread :roll:[/QUOTE]
hes actually fairly right. If you look at the advent of agriculture (i.e. grains) against the backdrop of human evolution, our GI isnt really designed for it. Its not as big a deal as all the freakout people are getting into over it (everyone is a celiac now), but its not complete bullshit.
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]My grandmother was black, consumed whole milk everyday (most blacks are lactose intolerant, but her gut health was G'ed up), and lived to be 92. She could have easily lived longer, but she succumbed early due to some medical malpractices.[/QUOTE]
This isnt really true. Unless you mean African-American by black. There are tons of black populations in africa that are massive milk drinkers (look up the East African Cattle Complex). These populations have evolved with cattle as a huge part of their subsistence but hardly ever kill them for meat.
I love the "organic" psychos who light up a cigarette after criticizing my piece of pizza.
[QUOTE=Killbot]:applause:[/QUOTE]
It depends on what you mean. You should really look into the levels of pesticide residues on certain foods. We arent allowed to survey these fields when they have sprayed in the last week or so, but we can eat the residue? Our massive overdependence on pesticides and chemical fertilizers is impacting the entire gulf of mexico food chain - look at the dead zone around the delta). I worked in part of Ohio where you couldnt drink the tap water for over a month because of uncontrolled runoff of ag fields. Anything that helps us rethink our current ag system is ok by me.
Besides, organic isnt always more expensive. Many of the items in my grocery store in rural utah are the exact same price (or close enough), and I can buy way more produce at the farmers market for $10 than I can at the grocery store. You have to be smart about it. Dont buy a bunch of processed bullshit (organic or otherwise), but focus on the dirty dozen if you want to limit your pesticide exposure.
Chronic buildup is a legit health concern. Go back to kissing your own biceps blow
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue[/URL]
They do irk me sometimes, but like all Dogma's it's only bothersome when they preach to you. People can eat whatever the fvck they want though, no skin off my back.
[QUOTE=boozehound]It depends on what you mean. You should really look into the levels of pesticide residues on certain foods. We arent allowed to survey these fields when they have sprayed in the last week or so, but we can eat the residue? Our massive overdependence on pesticides and chemical fertilizers is impacting the entire gulf of mexico food chain - look at the dead zone around the delta). I worked in part of Ohio where you couldnt drink the tap water for over a month because of uncontrolled runoff of ag fields. Anything that helps us rethink our current ag system is ok by me.
Besides, organic isnt always more expensive. Many of the items in my grocery store in rural utah are the exact same price (or close enough), and I can buy way more produce at the farmers market for $10 than I can at the grocery store. You have to be smart about it. Dont buy a bunch of processed bullshit (organic or otherwise), but focus on the dirty dozen if you want to limit your pesticide exposure.
Chronic buildup is a legit health concern. Go back to kissing your own biceps blow
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue[/URL][/QUOTE]
I know there's some legit organic stuff, but if you're just walking around at Giant Eagle or Wal Mart I just don't see that big of a difference. I was at the grocery store the other day and there's PAM spray for like $2.00, then next to it there's Organic PAM for $5.00. Knowing damn well the stuff was probably made about 2 feet away from the regular stuff.
nope, what other people chew up and swallow does not bother me the slightest bit.
[QUOTE=kNicKz]I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread :roll:[/QUOTE]
bread is delicious poison, and that's not factoring in the pesticide / GMO angles.
it may be safe to have bread and equivalents a small proportion of the time, but if you eat such crap regularly, you're basically spreading inflammation across your body from my understanding of nutritional / medical science.
@boozehound,
i've seen some postulations in various papers that HSS may have indeed become healthily accustomed to grain intake after 10,000 years of agriculture. still i'm kind of skeptical that even punctuated equilibrium could have managed this feat.
even weighing evolutionary payoffs for such adaptive ability in the face of biochemical forcings, i can see many arguments either way... just as a layman-asshole on ISH. what think?
[QUOTE=gigantes]bread is delicious poison, and that's not factoring in the pesticide / GMO angles.
it may be safe to have bread and equivalents a small proportion of the time, but if you eat such crap regularly, you're basically spreading inflammation across your body from my understanding of nutritional / medical science.
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I know this, yet samidges are my favourite food. Also how am I supposed to eat eggs without toast.