Bird and Lebron passing video

I remember a thread on here comparing the passing skills between the two with many arguing that Bird made passes that lebron couldn't do. I ran across this video

[b]Can LeBron make the same kind of passes as Larry Bird? [/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3EWmeFrSNM[/url]

[i]The above is indisputable evidence that Larry Bird is a superior passer to LeBron James. Watch all these passes Larry Bird pulls off that LeBron could never dream of duplicating. This video is simply the nail in the coffin.[/i]

This actually a troll video (notice the Ether beat? lol ) answering those who think along those lines

It's difficult to compare elite passers, honestly. You can easily see the difference between a good, a very good, and an elite passer, but between elite passers it gets complicated. They're all capable of pulling off pretty much any pass... the only difference is usually how risk averse they are (for instance, Magic had lower risk awareness than John Stockton, leading to lots of spectacular passes but also more turnovers), the team's tempo, and the opportunities they get. Jason Kidd could've made all those passes as well.

Good video. There was a thread a few months back where this was discussed. one guys posted some videos of bird passes and then everyone started calling him better than lebron as a passer.When i posted in the same thread with some good videos, no one bothered to reply.
I respect Bird more than lebron because he didn't have the body lebron has I also hate lebron because he tries to show false modesty after that 2011 failure but you have to go by what player does on the court to rank them as players.
bird also played on a more stacked team for most of his career. As much as people hate lebron for playing on a stacked team, bird's celtics were more stacked than current heat for many years.
Also, [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKKNFPeKGU"]These[/URL] types of passes that people consider easy are probably some of the hardest passes of all time and he makes them on regular basis.

Nice video

Lebron is better at passing the ball off the rim to the other team (aka bricks). So if that counts, then yes Lebron is better at passing (bricks) than Bird.

[QUOTE=Rose'sACL]
Also, [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKKNFPeKGU"]These[/URL] types of passes that people consider easy are probably some of the hardest passes of all time and he makes them on regular basis.[/QUOTE]

agreed

2 other nice passes

[img]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2598929/lemvpgoathofjames_medium.gif[/img]

[img]http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/931373/wadej.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Lebron is better at passing the ball off the rim to the other team (aka bricks). So if that counts, then yes Lebron is better at passing (bricks) than Bird.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that LeBron put up a higher fg% last year than bird ever did

[QUOTE=Unbiased_one]I'm pretty sure that LeBron put up a higher fg% last year than bird ever did[/QUOTE]

Stacked team in a league with no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds, more 3pt shooters, players hiding out of bounds, no PED testing, and refs gifting allstar FT attempts.....I'd say shooting 30% in the 80s = shooting 55% in today's league

It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. Show a child a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.

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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. Show a child a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.
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2010 was 3 years ago. let it go. it is only a game. You'll live a better life if you do this. You might even start watching NBA games that happened after wilt retired.

[QUOTE=Rose'sACL]2010 was 3 years ago. let it go. it is only a game. You'll live a better life if you do this. You might even start watching NBA games that happened after wilt retired.[/QUOTE]
Why do Lebron fans always fall back on the same tired come backs when they know they are incorrect about something? Is it a bad thing to not quite be the same caliber of passer as Larry freaking Bird, really? Bird is a candidate for the greatest passing non-guard of all time, yet your quick to attempt to insult people who point out that he was better at it than Lebron - who is easily acknowledged by me and others as the CURRENT best passing non-guard in the NBA (nothing to be ashamed of at all).

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. Show a child a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.

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[B]Agreed.

Not far by any means but Bird was the better passer (and player, at their best, also). Anyone that has seen enough of both and knows basketball can tell.[/B]

Very identical (not because of that video, i have seen an unhealthy amount of games from both), but Lebron seems to have some extra snap on his passes with even less effort, dont know if it has to do with strength or technique but with a single flick of his wrist the ball is shot like out of a cannon & its dead accurate, other players have to heave/swing the ball like a baseball pitch to get it to that speed... this is what allows him to zip the ball through defenders right into the hands of a teammate, defender doesnt even have time to react to deflect the ball... like this pass at 8:42 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA[/url] Its definitely not a pass i have seen Bird do at same apex, only Magic perhaps....

[QUOTE=pauk][B]Very identical, but Lebron seems to have some extra snap on his passes with even less effort[/B], dont know if it has to do with strength or technique but with a single flick of his wrist the ball is shot like out of a cannon & its dead accurate.... this is what allows him to zip the ball through defenders right into the hands of a teammate, defender doesnt even have time to react... like this pass at 8:42 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA[/url] Its definitely not a pass you would see Bird do at same apex, only Magic perhaps....[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: literally the opposite is true

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Why do Lebron fans always fall back on the same tired come backs when they know they are incorrect about something? Is it a bad thing to be a slightly worse passer than Larry Bird, really? Bird is a candidate for the greatest passing non-guard of all time, yet your quick to spit venom at people who point out that he was better at it than Lebron - who is easily acknowledged by me and others as the CURRENT best passing non-guard in the NBA (nothing to be ashamed of at all).[/QUOTE]
i wrote that because anyone who has been on this site long enough knows that you're biased just like silk or 9er are biased. they hate lebron/kobe because they love the other player and you hate lebron because well you just hate lebron james.

Also, i wasn't spitting venom. i was just fu[I]ck[/I]ing with you but you clearly can't take a joke. I am one of the least biased guys here. My screen name is rose'sACL and i still want bulls or pacers to win east this year and i have never hated on kobe but kobe fans but your hate for lebron has been obvious for a long time now. Every post of yours that isn't about lebron is actually a good one.

Also, why should people agree with you that bird was the better passer even though it is not a bad thing to be slightly worse than bird. why can't you accept that lebron might be equal ot even a little better at passing than bird?

Pace of the game was much quicker in bird days which really makes his passing look even better plus he had a way better front court to pass to for most of his career. I hate silk/tonymontana too but why should james/heat fans always have to be humble to earn respect when guys like you are never humble. you are not humble even when you talk about wilt. first look at yourself and then talk about others spitting venom.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: literally the opposite is true[/QUOTE]

Show me....

Bird is BARELY better. I'd still take LeBron over Bird as a better player though.

[QUOTE=pauk]Show me....[/QUOTE]
Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...

You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.

CavaliersFTW look at these passes for example:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkaS5xK1RSI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA&feature=player_detailpage#t=522[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aATBTl-oKE[/url]


You wont find any footage of Bird throwing the ball at that velocity with the slightest movement of his wrist..... unless he heaved the ball like a baseball pitcher...

You need just give up denying this, really doesnt make sense... its like denying a blue pen being blue, because you would prefer the red pen to be blue....

It doesnt matter who you choose here in this department, but Lebron definitely has more snap in his passes...

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...

You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.[/QUOTE]

Replace the "Lebron homer" with "Lebron hater" and aim that post to yourself.... then we have a more accurate description....

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...

You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.[/QUOTE]
Stop talking about consensus. Consensus is that wilt would still be the most athletic basketball player in today's NBA and he had to play in a league which was way less athletic as compared to today and yet consensus is that he didn't accomplish half of what he should have.

I have never put lebron on top of even kobe on any serious all time list i have posted and i respect bird way more than lebron.

You have to take pace of the game into account when you talk about passing and lebron plays in a much slower league as compared to when bird played.

Pauk is biased and so are you. Anyone on this board will tell that both of you are incredibly biased. he blindly love lebron and you blindly hate him. at least in this thread he is posting videos while you are posting smileys. both pauk and you are not troll from what i have seen and that is why i am replying to you.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. [B]Show a child[/B] a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.

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Luckily we are not asking the kids but the adults:lol

[QUOTE=pauk]Very identical (not because of that video, i have seen an unhealthy amount of games from both), but Lebron seems to have some extra snap on his passes with even less effort, dont know if it has to do with strength or technique but with a single flick of his wrist the ball is shot like out of a cannon & its dead accurate, other players have to heave/swing the ball like a baseball pitch to get it to that speed... this is what allows him to zip the ball through defenders right into the hands of a teammate, defender doesnt even have time to react to deflect the ball... like this pass at 8:42 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA[/url] Its definitely not a pass i have seen Bird do at same apex, only Magic perhaps....[/QUOTE]

You must not watch much basketball, which is understandable, because you have 12+ accounts on this site to manage.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPx4N5NWCbA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3JzqRPOpk[/url] (#4)

Two passes of similar, yet superior nature. Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Bird, Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]You must not watch much basketball, which is understandable, because you have 12+ accounts on this site to manage.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPx4N5NWCbA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di3JzqRPOpk[/url] (#4)

Two passes of similar, yet superior nature. Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Bird, Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.[/QUOTE]
Should throw in Boris Diaw to that list aswell

[QUOTE=HomieWeMajor]Should throw in Boris Diaw to that list aswell[/QUOTE]

True homie, there are like 30 or 40 more guys I could add. Pauk hasn't heard of any of them though (only knows Kobe, MJ, and Lebron), so it wouldn't really do any good

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Lebron is better at passing the ball off the rim to the other team (aka bricks). So if that counts, then yes Lebron is better at passing (bricks) than Bird.[/QUOTE]

56%

Stay salty.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Lebron is a top 20 passing non PG, but you are insane/ignorant if you think he is better than Barry, Ginobili, Hill, Pressey, Hornacek, Christie, etc.[/QUOTE]
That's just laughable and shows how much YOU watch basketball. How hard did you cry when Lebron won his second ring?

[QUOTE=aj1987]That's just laughable and shows how much YOU watch basketball. How hard did you cry when Lebron won his second ring?[/QUOTE]

As a Heat fan (my username is for Mike Miller, but I lost an avy bet so I have a Pacers avatar), I was overjoyed, but still a little dubious given the fact it took us playing a sub .500 team in the first round, the Rose/Deng-less Bulls with an injured Noah, the Grangerless Pacers, and the Spurs with an injured Parker. And we were very lucky that Westbrook, Gallo, Kobe, Lee, etc. got hurt.

And it was his first ring, lockout rings don't count.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]And it was his first ring, lockout rings don't count.[/QUOTE]

That literally makes no sense. Unless the playoffs themselves were shortened with fewer games being played (thus changing what it takes to win), winning the playoffs remains the same in a lockout season as it does in a non-lockout season. So it's still the same.

[QUOTE=New World Order]That literally makes no sense. Unless the playoffs themselves were shortened with fewer games being played (thus changing what it takes to win), winning the playoffs remains the same in a lockout season as it does in a non-lockout season. So it's still the same.[/QUOTE]

Ah, another one of Pauk's sock account makes an appearance! Sorry, it is a fact that lockout rings are not real rings. They are either * rings or worth 1/4 a real ring.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Ah, another one of Pauk's sock account makes an appearance! Sorry, it is a fact that lockout rings are not real rings. They are either * rings or worth 1/4 a real ring.[/QUOTE]

How shortened were the playoffs again?

[QUOTE=KyleKong]How shortened were the playoffs again?[/QUOTE]

Well, considering we beat the Knicks with no Lin, Shumpert, or Davis, the Pacers with an injured Granger, the Celtics with no Bradley, the Thunder with no Maynor, plus Howard, Rose, Horford, etc. were hurt, I would say the playoffs were worth about 2-3 real playoff season games.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Well, considering we beat the Knicks with no Lin, Shumpert, or Davis, the Pacers with an injured Granger, the Celtics with no Bradley, the Thunder with no Maynor, plus Howard, Rose, Horford, etc. were hurt, I would say the playoffs were worth about 2-3 real playoff season games.[/QUOTE]

:durantunimpressed:

Reaching for straws at this point.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]As a Heat fan (my username is for Mike Miller, but I lost an avy bet so I have a Pacers avatar), I was overjoyed, but still a little dubious given the fact it took us playing a sub .500 team in the first round, the Rose/Deng-less Bulls with an injured Noah, the Grangerless Pacers, and the Spurs with an injured Parker. And we were very lucky that Westbrook, Gallo, Kobe, Lee, etc. got hurt.

And it was his first ring, lockout rings don't count.[/QUOTE]
:roll: GTFO. Whose alt are you?

Miami already faced a Bulls team WITH Rose/Deng, a Pacers team WITH Granger (and without Bosh), and a Thunder team with a healthy Westbrook and Harden. Kobe/Gallo/Lee? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]It is virtually unanimous consensus among hoops aficionados that Bird had at the very least slightly better vision and reflexes for getting a pass off than Lebron - his assists aren't inflated because he wasn't as dominant on the ball as Lebron, but he was the better passer. Show a child a Larry Bird passing video, and a Lebron passing video and the child is going to go "whoahhhhhh" a lot more often in the Larry Bird video. He had more creativity, awareness and his passes looked much more difficult to execute. This has been discussed a couple of hundred times already, all leading to the same consensus at the end. Bird was the better passer, Lebron just has more assists because he is ball dominant. Not really that difficult to understand.

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Are you actually really young? You're really bad at debating and getting your point across.

Aficionados? Yeah... the people on this forum who dislike the Heat. :oldlol:

I can't say if Lebron is a better passer than Bird. I've maybe seen one or two whole games of Bird. Highlight videos don't show you the whole picture.

All i know is that Rondo, C. Paul, D Williams, and Lebron are at the top of the passing game today.

[QUOTE=Miller for 3]Well, considering we beat the Knicks with no Lin, Shumpert, or Davis, the Pacers with an injured Granger, the Celtics with no Bradley, the Thunder with no Maynor, plus Howard, Rose, Horford, etc. were hurt, I would say the playoffs were worth about 2-3 real playoff season games.[/QUOTE]
What about bosh missing all of the pacers series and most of the celtic series... Or that doesn't matter

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Show me that Santa Clause doesn't exist...

You can't prove someone a negative. As Lebron's biggest homer on the planet, your convinced that dude walks on water better than Jesus - how do you expect anyone to prove to you that he doesn't? All I can tell you is consensus and even just casual observer watching footage is Bird > Lebron when it comes to passing and it isn't just occasional Lebron trolls like me who believe this - real hoops fans have gone over this many many times. Just like when it comes to shooting. Or post moves. Bird was better at many if not virtually every single skill-related facet of the game than Lebron, he had to be because he wasn't as gifted as Lebron. To an objective fan, Lebron is a better athlete than Bird, Bird is more skilled and this includes his ability to pass.[/QUOTE]

You actually can prove a negative in that regard. I can prove there is no such entity that will strike me down after writing this sentence. (the fact that i didn't die after writing this, proves that doesn't exist).

[QUOTE=pauk]CavaliersFTW look at these passes for example:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkaS5xK1RSI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA&feature=player_detailpage#t=522[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aATBTl-oKE[/url]


You wont find any footage of Bird throwing the ball at that velocity with the slightest movement of his wrist..... unless he heaved the ball like a baseball pitcher...

You need just give up denying this, really doesnt make sense... its like denying a blue pen being blue, because you would prefer the red pen to be blue....

It doesnt matter who you choose here in this department, but Lebron definitely has more snap in his passes...[/QUOTE]

Do you realize a great pass is more than just high velocity? :rolleyes:

Could Bird make this pass?:coleman:

[img]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2675253/lepass2_medium.gif[/img]


another good one....out of the post/seal:biggums:

[b]▶ LeBron James With a Beautiful Behind-the-Back Pass to Anderson Varejao - YouTube[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V2P9-ezKmw[/url]


[b]LeBron Behind The Back Pass Vs Magic (5.26.09)[/b] (one handed block/bassline)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF8vlyksfic[/url]

[b]▶ LeBron James Behind-the-Back Pass to Big Z (10.30.09) - YouTube[/b] (similar pass but to Big z)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMMFXA8s8ik[/url]


made this look simple but it's not!

[b]LeBron James' sick inbound behind the back pass to Mike Miller[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykkzkQXekoQ[/url]

different angle

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHImjtjKGCo[/url]