Discussing the Bulls chances of beating the Heat in a 7 game series

With Rose they had both the first seed in both 2011 and 2012. I don't see a reason for that to change. They didn't have Jimmy Butler in those years either, so adding him makes the team much better.

The Heats cast is only getting older and less effective. Other than LeBron there is no gamechanger on the roster and it will be an uphill battle for LeBron to bring Miami a championship with a Wade and Bosh that become even less effective.

If we look at the top 5 players on either team, 4 of them are Bulls. Heres the rankings.
-LeBron James
-Joakim Noah
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson
-Derrick Rose

This has some strong potential of being like the Cleveland/Boston series

Those 4 Bulls have higher value than any other player on the Heat. Then they also have guys like Luol Deng, Boozer, Hinrich. This team has a lot of depth and there is no way they'll be able to keep this team together. Guys will be gone when they find themselves unable to afford all of these players.

The only way Miami are the favorites is if Wade/Oden show zero problems regarding injuries. Especially Oden. He is the second most important player after LeBron on the team. If he can give them 20 minutes of quality 7 footer play that will be huge.

Nice "just incase LeBron loses I have a made up excuse for him" thread.:applause:

Heat still stacked and da favorites.

Noah, Butler and Gibson are better than Wade? Butler and Gibson are better than Bosh?:facepalm

Oden, the guy who played 80 NBA games in his career is the 2nd most valuable player? :oldlol:

No, dumbass, the two-time defending champs with a 4x MVP at his peak are and should be the favorites. Stop trying to come up bullshit reasons to try and prop-up LeBron's next ring (if there even is a next) before the season even plays out.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Noah, Butler and Gibson are better than Wade? Butler and Gibson are better than Bosh?:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Do you seriously think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade? Good god. :roll:

Wade was actually a negative on the court for the majority of the playoffs. Imagine if they had Noah to guard centers and rebound/protect the rim while sliding Bosh to his natural position and giving Ray Allen/Mike Miller the builk of the minutes at the two guard. The Heat would have beat the 2001 Lakers 15-1 playoff record.

Now imagine the Bulls if they lose Noah and have Wade with his 15 PPG and sub 50%TS. They get swept by the Nets.

If Wade, Noah, Butler, Gibson were all free agents right now and asking for the same contract, Wade would field by far the least interest. He'd be forced to take the MLE.

[QUOTE=KG215]No, dumbass, the two-time defending champs with a 4x MVP at his peak are and should be the favorites. Stop trying to come up bullshit reasons to make LeBron's potential 3rd ring before the season even plays out.[/QUOTE]

We all know LeBron is the best player. He has been for more than half a decade now.

But winning a title is a team accomplishment. The Bulls have a better team than the current Heat who get closer to Miami Cavaliers status every day. LeBron is better now than he was as a Cavalier so he's been able to overcome adversity despite the flaws of his teammates .

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Do you seriously think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade? Good god. :roll: [/quote]
You seem to be forgetting that Wade is still a 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% player, who plays excellent defense. He would average more if he's not sharing the ball with Lebron.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Wade was actually a negative on the court for the majority of the playoffs. Imagine if they had Noah to guard centers and rebound/protect the rim while sliding Bosh to his natural position and giving Ray Allen/Mike Miller the builk of the minutes at the two guard. The Heat would have beat the 2001 Lakers 15-1 playoff record.[/quote]
Yeah, you're right. Lets give Allen and Miller starter minutes. One guy who's 36 and the other with a broken back. Is Lebron going to play 48 minutes a game? There's no one on the who who can create their own shots consistently and create for others consistently other than Wade and Lebron. With Lebron on the bench, and Wade not on the team, the Heat are going to get destroyed. Also, the Heat would've lost to the Spurs in 5 if it wasn't for Wade.


[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Now imagine the Bulls if they lose Noah and have Wade with his 15 PPG and sub 50%TS. They get swept by the Nets.[/quote]
Joakim Noah with this 11/10 on 45% took them to the second round, right?

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]If Wade, Noah, Butler, Gibson were all free agents right now and asking for the same contract, Wade would field by far the least interest. He'd be forced to take the MLE.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm And this is why you are the resident f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cktard. Wade is a top 10 player. Lebron would still be ringless without Wade.

Bulls aren't a factor. At all.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]With Rose they had both the first seed in both 2011 and 2012. I don't see a reason for that to change. They didn't have Jimmy Butler in those years either, so adding him makes the team much better.

The Heats cast is only getting older and less effective. Other than LeBron there is no gamechanger on the roster and it will be an uphill battle for LeBron to bring Miami a championship with a Wade and Bosh that become even less effective.

[B]If we look at the top 5 players on either team, 4 of them are Bulls. Heres the rankings.
-LeBron James
-Joakim Noah
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson
-Derrick Rose
[/B]
This has some strong potential of being like the Cleveland/Boston series

Those 4 Bulls have higher value than any other player on the Heat. Then they also have guys like Luol Deng, Boozer, Hinrich. This team has a lot of depth and there is no way they'll be able to keep this team together. Guys will be gone when they find themselves unable to afford all of these players.

The only way Miami are the favorites is if Wade/Oden show zero problems regarding injuries. Especially Oden. He is the second most important player after LeBron on the team. If he can give them 20 minutes of quality 7 footer play that will be huge.[/QUOTE]
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: You need to be banned for this statement you fu.cking ret.ard. Are you godamn serious???

Thread title is appropriate.

Bulls always impress in the regular season but Thibs plays all his guys too much to the point where theyre falling into peices by the post season. Noah has a chronic foot injury that might never heal. Hinrich withered into the injury reserve by that point. Even Luol Deng literally was hospitalized at the point the Bulls were ready to play the Heat.

Thibs has a great philosphy for winning basketball. Its just not meant to last the entire season+postseason

You're talking about Wade being injured yet Rose is the one coming off a torn ACL. Wade averaged 22 ppg, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and shot a career high fg%. He was dealing with a bone bruise throughout the playoffs. No structural damage. There is no reason to believe he won't have a very good playoff run like in 2012. I guess I can get over you saying Joakim Noah is better than Wade because you are a complete Lebron nut hugging ****tard. But Jimmy Butler and Taj ****ing Gibson??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.[/QUOTE]

youre the same person that says rose=brandon jennings.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]get closer to Miami Cavaliers status every day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]If we look at the top 5 players on either team, 4 of them are Bulls. Heres the rankings.
-LeBron James
-Joakim Noah
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson
-Derrick Rose[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]If[B] Wade[/B], Noah, Butler, Gibson were all free agents right now and asking for the same contract, Wade would field by far the least interest. He'd be [B]forced to take the MLE.[/B][/QUOTE]

If you're trying to figure out why everyone thinks you're a f***ing retarded attention seeking whore, there's a few reasons right there.

And if you're not trolling, and genuinely believe any of those three quotes, then just do everyone a favor and leave.

[QUOTE=aj1987]You seem to be forgetting that Wade is still a 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% player, who plays excellent defense. He would average more if he's not sharing the ball with Lebron.[/QUOTE]

You didn't answer the question. Do you think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade if the Heat offered them that.

And Wade put up those numbers in the regular season where the Heat got out on the break at will. Wade is great when you can pound on bad teams, but once the game goes to the halfcourt he is pretty much useless.

You can set him up for an open look and what does he do? Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake. Every time, noone is buying that. He has no shot and with his injuries in the playoffs he couldn't get to the line either.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
Yeah, you're right. Lets give Allen and Miller starter minutes. One guy who's 36 and the other with a broken back. Is Lebron going to play 48 minutes a game? There's no one on the who who can create their own shots consistently and create for others consistently other than Wade and Lebron. With Lebron on the bench, and Wade not on the team, the Heat are going to get destroyed. Also, the Heat would've lost to the Spurs in 5 if it wasn't for Wade. [/QUOTE]

LeBron is all you need. He is the best player in the league and arguably of all-time. I want him creating as much as possible to maximize his talents.

Allen/Miller/Battier will finish those open looks created by LeBron. Wade cant do anything and the offense resets since he doesn't have a shot. In fact he hurts LeBrons game, because it lets the opposing team pack the paint even harder. Wade isn't a threat to do anything unless he has an open layup.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
Joakim Noah with this 11/10 on 45% took them to the second round, right? [/QUOTE]

Yep, laugh at his stats all you want, but Joakim Noah is the most impactful player in the entire Eastern Conference after LeBron James. Elite man defender, elite rim protector, elite rebounder, great athlete, good passer, can finish Guy really makes his mark on a game and does all the little things.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
:facepalm And this is why you are the resident f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cktard. Wade is a top 10 player. Lebron would still be ringless without Wade.[/QUOTE]

Wade was barely top 10 on the Heat, let alone in the entire league.

[QUOTE]
Bulls always impress in the regular season but Thibs plays all his guys too much to the point where theyre falling into peices by the post season. Noah has a chronic foot injury that might never heal. Hinrich withered into the injury reserve by that point. Even Luol Deng literally was hospitalized at the point the Bulls were ready to play the Heat.

Thibs has a great philosphy for winning basketball. Its just not meant to last the entire season+postseason[/QUOTE]

This is a good point, I didn't have that in mind.
[QUOTE]
You're talking about Wade being injured yet Rose is the one coming off a torn ACL. Wade averaged 22 ppg, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and shot a career high fg%. He was dealing with a bone bruise throughout the playoffs. No structural damage. There is no reason to believe he won't have a very good playoff run like in 2012. I guess I can get over you saying Joakim Noah is better than Wade because you are a complete Lebron nut hugging ****tard. But Jimmy Butler and Taj ****ing Gibson??? [/QUOTE]

Wade is an old 31, and Rose is 25. If their ages were reversed I would take Wade over him.

Joakim Noah is better than every single player in the Eastern conference other than LeBron. Very good basketball player.

[QUOTE]
Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.[/QUOTE]

Rose is definitely overrated(he isn't close to being the most valuable Bull on the team), but he does make a big impact. Bulls had the #1 seed both years he was healthy.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]You didn't answer the question. Do you think the Bulls would trade Noah for Wade if the Heat offered them that.[/quote]
Yes, they would.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]And Wade put up those numbers in the regular season where the Heat got out on the break at will. Wade is great when you can pound on bad teams, but once the game goes to the halfcourt he is pretty much useless.[/quote]
It's not like Wade averaged 20/4/5/2/1 on 47% in the Finals, right?

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]You can set him up for an open look and what does he do? Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake. Every time, noone is buying that. He has no shot and with his injuries in the playoffs he couldn't get to the line either. [/quote]
And he still averaged 16/5/5/2/1 on 46%, while playing on one leg.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]LeBron is all you need. He is the best player in the league and arguably of all-time. I want him creating as much as possible to maximize his talents.[/quote]
He's barely top 10, let alone GOAT. Also, if Lebron is all you need, why didn't he win in Cleveland? Or in '11, when Wade and Bosh were playing really well.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Allen/Miller/Battier will finish those open looks created by LeBron. Wade cant do anything and the offense resets since he doesn't have a shot. In fact he hurts LeBrons game, because it lets the opposing team pack the paint even harder. Wade isn't a threat to do anything unless he has an open layup.[/quote]
I think you must've missed games 4 & 7 of the Finals.
Is that why Allen/Miller/Battier averaged a 52% FG%?
That's why he won a ring, when Lebron was barely making the playoffs. :facepalm Wade is arguably an equally good playmaker. He still averages 6.1 APG for his career.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yep, laugh at his stats all you want, but Joakim Noah is the most impactful player in the entire Eastern Conference after LeBron James. Elite man defender, elite rim protector, elite rebounder, great athlete, good passer, can finish Guy really makes his mark on a game and does all the little things.[/quote]
Rose, George, Wade, Rondo, Deron and a bunch of other players are much much better than Noah and it's not even close.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Wade was barely top 10 on the Heat, let alone in the entire league.[/quote]
Lebron needs a 20/5/5 guy as the 10th best player on his team to win a ring? DAMN! Wade did it with his #2 averaging 13/10.

I see what you are doing OP. Good job:applause:

aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abyssmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]I see what you are doing OP. Good job:applause:

aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abysmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.[/QUOTE]

He looked pretty 'terrible' to me playing in that Game 7 last year. :lol

[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Yeah I'm not even going to spend the 2 minutes required to reply to him again because he thinks the Bulls would trade Joakim Noah for Current Wade.

Wade NEVER got to the free throw line. When you can't shoot the three, and you can't get to the free throw line you are an offensive liability in the halfcourt setting. That's why his TS% is so bad.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: You're just mad that your boy needs his 10th best player to average 20/5/5 to barely win the Finals.


[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]aj1987 should also stop using FG%, when Wade's TS% was abysmal in both 2012 and 2013 Finals[/QUOTE]
I've seen you use it to discredit Kobe, when his TS% was really good, with a shitty FG%.

2013 Finals: Lebron - 53% and Wade 51% (TS)
2012 Finals: Lebron - 56% and Wade 52% (TS)

Pretty far from "abysmal".

Give them a 25% chance.

If we look at the top 5 players on either team, 4 of them are Bulls. Heres the rankings.
-LeBron James
-Joakim Noah
-Jimmy Butler
-Taj Gibson
-Derrick Rose'

Friggin idiot.

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Give them a 25% chance.[/QUOTE]

I can't exactly put a figure to how likely they are to win, but I think this year will be the Bulls best chance to dethrone them.

Butler's defense on Lebron could be the difference.

Why do you guys respond to this kid? He's just ****in with all of you..

[QUOTE=Twiens]Why do you guys respond to this kid? He's just ****in with all of you..[/QUOTE]

:lol

I've always been a troll feeder myself :confusedshrug:

Heat never won with Rose healthy.


End of story.

[QUOTE=Dengness9]Heat never won with Rose healthy.


End of story.[/QUOTE]
What? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Rose wouldn't have any more of an impact than Nate Robinson did. Rose-tards will scoff at that, but keep it real. You know its true.[/QUOTE]

Not that they are anywhere near each other in terms of level of play, but I agree with this. We really couldn't stop him.

[QUOTE=poido123]

Butler's defense on Lebron could be the difference.[/QUOTE]

You mean the Bull's team defense don't you?

Step out your crib and put an ear to the street.



Heat haven't won't a chamionship with Rose healthy.


The proof is in the puddin'.

The Bulls don't have the talent to beat Miami currently, when both teams are healthy.
They especially won't have the talent when they trade Deng soon for a SG and get 75c to the dollar.

[QUOTE=Dengness9]Step out your crib and put an ear to the street.



Heat haven't won't a chamionship with Rose healthy.


The proof is in the puddin'.[/QUOTE]

The Heat haven't been healthy in the playoffs either.
Still holding two trophies aloft. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=red1]What? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

New trend, I guess.

[QUOTE=plowking]Not that they are anywhere near each other in terms of level of play, but I agree with this. We really couldn't stop him.[/QUOTE]

What ? Game's 2, 3, and especially 4 would suggest otherwise.

[QUOTE=Dengness9]Step out your crib and put an ear to the street.



Heat haven't won't a chamionship with Rose healthy.


The proof is in the puddin'.[/QUOTE]

2011 has nothing to do with Rose. :oldlol:

Dude got backdoor swept and made to look silly by Lebron.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]New trend, I guess.



What ? Game's 2, 3, and especially 4 would suggest otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Meh, he had one really bad game IMO. The others he was still breaking down the defense and making plays.

[QUOTE=plowking]Meh, he had one really bad game IMO. The others he was still breaking down the defense and making plays.[/QUOTE]

True, but I do think he's still containable and the Heat do a great job on their perimeter defense.

Rose wouldn't have made much of impact either but that has more do with him sitting out a large portion of time and he can't just return to his MVP form if he was inserted in the lineup.

Either way, if the Heat and Bulls do matchup in the playoffs again, we'll see what type of player Rose is going forward. I think he can still blow by at will, but has he added more of a post game and a mid-range/3 point jump shot to keep great perimeter defenses more honest ? If so, then he definitely makes much of difference, although I still see Miami winning this hypothetical match up.

[QUOTE=G-train]The Bulls don't have the talent to beat Miami currently, when both teams are healthy.
They especially won't have the talent when they trade Deng soon for a SG and get 75c to the dollar.[/QUOTE]

You can never predict what will happen in the future man. Bulls are good enough to beat the Heat if they get things right and play with more energy.

Miami going into their 4th consecutive playoff run, may lack the energy needed to overcome the Bulls. It might come down to one or two games where Bulls just want it that little bit more, and the Heat start to feel the strain of a long finals campaign.

I'm not going to say we will beat the Heat, but I think this year is our best chance.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]New trend, I guess.



What ? Game's 2, 3, and especially 4 would suggest otherwise.[/QUOTE]


The overrating of Nate in that series is quite funny :lol

He was good for one or two games in that series and the rest he was making little to no impact...

It's also funny that Heat fans still bring up last year's matchup like it was a fair contest :lol

No Rose, Deng and Hinrich = no chance and not worth talking about.

[QUOTE=plowking]2011 has nothing to do with Rose. :oldlol:

Dude got backdoor swept and[B] made to look silly by Lebron.[/B][/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

It surprises me that you hold this opinion and you're one of the better more knowledgeable posters among Heat fans...

Like I said in the other thread, excellent team and weakside help defense stopped Rose, not Lebron's man defense.