1. Rose
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1. Rose
2. Rose
3. Rose
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Iverson, Nash, and Rose, since 1995 at least.
Karl Malone - 1997
Allen Iverson - 2001
Derrick Rose - 2011
as much of a douchbag as he is Dwight deserved it over Rose
In my lifetime?
1. Rose
2. Iverson
3. Magic winning over MJ
[QUOTE=outbreak]as much of a douchbag as he is Dwight deserved it over Rose[/QUOTE]
yep,look at the stats for the other two MVP Candidtates in 2011
LeBron,Dwight
then look at Rose's
The only reason Rose won MVP is bc everybody hated LeBro,the whole media hated LeBron,they were tired of giving it to him,and bc it made a great story
and even then,Dwight also was better than D-Rose
Kevin Durant was as well,
Dwyane Wade was as well,
Chris Paul was as well
But apparently that year it was basically best player on highest ranked team and whatever makes a feel good story
All the people taking peak Shaq's MVPs.
Rose
Iverson
Magic 1990
Nash 2006
Dirk 2007
In recent years:
Allen Iverson (Shaq should have repeated easily)
Derrick Rose (that was D Howards or at the very least Lebrons)
One of those years Nash won it (shrug)
Every year that Jordan and Shaq didnt win when they were at their peaks
The guy who won it when his team had the best record in the NBA, but they lost to an 8 seed in the first round in embarrassing fashion.
[QUOTE=outbreak]as much of a douchbag as he is Dwight deserved it over Rose[/QUOTE]
No way
Rose 2011
Nash 2006
Iverson 2001
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Magic 1990
Nash 2006
Dirk 2007[/QUOTE]
How is dirk 2007 a bad selection? It's a regular season award and he was the best player on the best team...
and LOL @ you not mentioning the obvious choise in Rose 2011
Anyone saying iverson was blatantly not watching bball back then:lol :facepalm
Rose is debatable, iirc there wasn't any other clear favourite though. He lead the bulls to the best record. Lebron embarrassed himself teaming up and dwight was defensive player of the year?
I fully agree with Malone though, Jordan got robbed
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]
Dirk 2007[/QUOTE]
You must be joking.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Magic 1990
Nash 2006
Dirk 2007[/QUOTE]
Who deserved it over Dirk in 2007?
Dirk averaged 25/9/3 on 61% TS and led his team to 67 wins. Was part of the 50/40/90 club. I'd like to know how that wasn't deserving in 2007.
[QUOTE=Flash31]yep,look at the stats for the other two MVP Candidtates in 2011
LeBron,Dwight
then look at Rose's
The only reason Rose won MVP is bc everybody hated LeBro,the whole media hated LeBron,they were tired of giving it to him,and bc it made a great story
and even then,Dwight also was better than D-Rose
Kevin Durant was as well,
Dwyane Wade was as well,
Chris Paul was as well
But apparently that year it was basically best player on highest ranked team and whatever makes a feel good story[/QUOTE]
or it was the fact that rose scored 28.5 points and 7 assists against the top 8 teams in the league. :confusedshrug: while having a winning record and winning 12 of their last 12 against those teams. :confusedshrug:
thats more than lebron or wade, plus the heat had a horrific losing record against those teams. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]or it was the fact that rose scored 28.5 points and 7 assists against the top 8 teams in the league. :confusedshrug: while having a winning record and winning 12 of their last 12 against those teams. :confusedshrug:
thats more than lebron or wade, plus the heat had a horrific losing record against those teams. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and Dirk also beat the team who mollywhopped Rose's sorry 6% behind.
SMH at the dudes saying Dirk in this thread.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yeah, and Dirk also beat the team who mollywhopped Rose's sorry 6% behind.[/QUOTE]
What does Dirk winning in the Finals and Rose's 6% in the playoffs have to do with what went down in the regular season?:biggums:
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Who deserved it over Dirk in 2007?
Dirk averaged 25/9/3 on 61% TS and led his team to 67 wins. Was part of the 50/40/90 club. I'd like to know how that wasn't deserving in 2007.[/QUOTE]
Dirk definitely deserved it. I dunno what these idiots are saying.
[QUOTE=Flash31]yep,look at the stats for the other two MVP Candidtates in 2011
LeBron,Dwight
then look at Rose's
The only reason Rose won MVP is bc everybody hated LeBro,the whole media hated LeBron,they were tired of giving it to him,and bc it made a great story
and even then,Dwight also was better than D-Rose
Kevin Durant was as well,
Dwyane Wade was as well,
Chris Paul was as well
But apparently that year it was basically best player on highest ranked team and whatever makes a feel good story[/QUOTE]
Lebron teamed up with Wade and Bosh and didn't have the best record in the East. Nothing else needs to be said there. Rose's team dominated the elite 8 in the league while Miami had a loosing record against them. Rose's team had two very big injuries. Why make it easier for Lebron when he and his friends formed a power house and managed to let a young Chicago team with one star have a better record than them. Plus Lebron said it was Rose's MVP.
DH was never in the conversation and would have been shut out in the voting if he wasn't approaching free agency. The guy had his team taken from him because the owner was called out by Lebron and then embarrassed by him while they watched Lebron go for 50 plus. So if you don't make a stand for your team and bosses you aren't going to get MVP. After that humiliation Lebron let it be known it should be Rose. Sorry, its just a brutal reality of life that nobody is going to reward you for not standing up when you should have. On top of that he didn't play too bright either.
Nobody else was really close. Rose won by a huge landslide, one of the bigger ones in recent memory, and rightfully so. And later on we see that leadership is something that you can't take for granted. All of the guys you named above went to new teams and simply underachieved big time with big time talent around them. All showed a need for leadership and the inability to come together for the team above all else.
[QUOTE=branslowski]What does Dirk winning in the Finals and Rose's 6% in the playoffs have to do with what went down in the regular season?:biggums:[/QUOTE]
As much as Dirk losing to the Warriors does.
Howard led his team to a 4th seed. Lebron teamed up with 2 other stars, one of whom was arguably just as good as him, but led his team to a lesser record then Rose, who was missing two of his three best teammates for 23 and 34 games, and Lebron was also embarrassingly bad in the clutch and in closing out games with many teams making big 3rd/4th quarter comebacks against the Heat. Rose's MVP wasn't even close to a bad selection. Maybe it was a weak MVP year, but it wasn't a bad selection. Its was pretty consistent with the voting of previous MVPs.
[QUOTE=guy]Howard led his team to a 4th seed. Lebron teamed up with 2 other stars, one of whom was arguably just as good as him, but led his team to a lesser record then Rose, who was missing two of his three best teammates for 23 and 34 games, and Lebron was also embarrassingly bad in the clutch and in closing out games with many teams making big 3rd/4th quarter comebacks against the Heat. Rose's MVP wasn't even close to a bad selection. Maybe it was a weak MVP year, but it wasn't a bad selection. Its was pretty consistent with the voting of previous MVPs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah nothing wrong with picking Rose for MVP that year.
Lebron
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Wait, he hasn't won that many. Sorry, confused him with the GOAT Bill Russel.
[QUOTE=branslowski]What does Dirk winning in the Finals and Rose's 6% in the playoffs have to do with what went down in the regular season?:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Nothing. Rose deserved MVP.
[QUOTE=Brook(lyn)Lopez]The guy who won it when his team had the best record in the NBA, but they lost to an 8 seed in the first round in embarrassing fashion.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for the most truth in the thread, never has any MVP accepted that award at home on their couch instead of the conference finals.
Embarrassing honestly. No real MVP lets his team get bounced in the first round to an 8th seed no less. The biggest skid mark on the award ever. Guy got outplayed by league journeyman Stephen Jackson.
:roll:
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Quoted for the most truth in the thread, never has any MVP accepted that award at home on their couch instead of the conference finals.
Embarrassing honestly. No real MVP lets his team get bounced in the first round to an 8th seed no less. The biggest skid mark on the award ever. Guy got outplayed by league journeyman Stephen Jackson.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
You know how you know you are an all time great player?
When a series of 20/11/2 is considered the worst thing known to man.
But I still don't see the relevance of a regular season award being impacted by postseason play.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Quoted for the most truth in the thread, never has any MVP accepted that award at home on their couch instead of the conference finals.
Embarrassing honestly. No real MVP lets his team get bounced in the first round to an 8th seed no less. The biggest skid mark on the award ever. Guy got outplayed by league journeyman Stephen Jackson.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
someone is mad that rose is the worst mvp in nba history :applause:
[QUOTE=DirkNowitzki41]someone is mad that rose is the worst mvp in nba history :applause:[/QUOTE]
Rose isn't my favorite player, so not really. I just know Dirks MVP is the most pathetic showing in history.
The playoffs lend perspective on the real MVP of the league. It's the same argument people are using for Rose MVP being the worst ever, right?
Rose got outplayed by LeBron and D Wade, a tandem of players better than Dirk himself.
Dirk got outplayed by a journeyman, and an 8th seed ... In his prime/peak. Utterly horrendous. Fake MVP wet the bed in the 1st round to an inferior team.
2011 was a weak selection year on an individual level. Why? DH didn't carry his team to as many wins as Rose. Dirk was injured and Caron Butler played really well picking up his slack. And the two best players in the league were busy being cowards by teaming up. Their production negated each other.
So Rose was a good choice. Lead the Bulls to best record in the league with way less talent than LeBron, Wade, and Dirk. Howard ha comparable talent to Rose but didn't win like Derrick with clutch, game saving performances. As a 22 year old, his 2nd best player being trash all year ... Carlos Boozer.
Weak MVP year sure, Rose was hardly undeserving.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Rose isn't my favorite player, so not really. I just know Dirks MVP is the most pathetic showing in history.
The playoffs lend perspective on the real MVP of the league. It's the same argument people are using for Rose MVP being the worst ever, right?
Rose got outplayed by LeBron and D Wade, a tandem of players better than Dirk himself.
Dirk got outplayed by a journeyman, and an 8th seed ... In his prime/peak. Utterly horrendous. Fake MVP wet the bed in the 1st round to an inferior team.
2011 was a weak selection year on an individual level. Why? DH didn't carry his team to as many wins as Rose. Dirk was injured and Caron Butler played really well picking up his slack. And the two best players in the league were busy being cowards by teaming up. Their production negated each other.
So Rose was a good choice. Lead the Bulls to best record in the league with way less talent than LeBron, Wade, and Dirk. Howard ha comparable talent to Rose but didn't win like Derrick with clutch, game saving performances. As a 22 year old, his 2nd best player being trash all year ... Carlos Boozer.
Weak MVP year sure, Rose was hardly undeserving.[/QUOTE]
Rose was definitely deserving so I'm not going to get into that. Of course so was Dirk...even more so, but that doesn't need debating.
Were the Warriors really an inferior team to the Mavs? It's honestly debatable.
Have you actually looked at the rosters?
Rose didn't let his #1 seed lose to an up start, energetic, athletic Pacer team the way Dirk let the Mavericks get sodomized in the 1st round in possibly the most embarrassing NBA playoff series of all time.
He lost and played poorly against a historically great team. Oh such shame in that, MVPs like Nash, Dirk have gotten embarrassed by worse. No three peat caliber teams knocking them out. Significant difference.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]
Were the Warriors really an inferior team to the Mavs? It's honestly debatable.
Have you actually looked at the rosters?[/QUOTE]
Come on...
When did ISH become all about Dirk-vs-Rose? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=NumberSix]When did ISH become all about Dirk-vs-Rose? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Lebron isn't getting enough attention for you? :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=toooo]Lebron isn't getting enough attention for you? :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Do you even english?
:roll: :roll: