Kevin Love is currently averaging 27 14 and 5 on 48%, can he keep it up?

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Those are phenomenal numbers, however he is only 9 games into this season - so do you guys think he can keep up that kind of production all season long? If he can we haven't had a scoring and rebounding machine that can pass packaged all-in-one like that in quite some time. Garnett back in '04 put up 24 14 and 5 on 50%. That's the last time anyone put up something similar.

He did something similar a couple of seasons ago. He's better now, so I don't see why not. Dude's a beast.

I think he can.

He's a crafty scorer whose talents are utilized very well under Adelman's system and with the aid of good passing from Rubio and and others. He can shoot the 3, has a good post game, and is obviously a good offensive rebounder. He's quite adept at drawing fouls and is a great free throw shooter.

As for the rebounding, what else need be said. He's one of the league's best at that, so no reason he can't keep his current pace.

The passing is the big question mark. But I think he can keep that number up. The personnel is now less frustrating than it was in years' past, especially with the additions of Kevin Martin and Corey Brewer, both guys who have been on the receiving end of quite a few of Kevin Love's outlet passes. This team is programmed to run, and a big man who can rebound, and throw quick, accurate outlet passes will always have better assist numbers because of that. Outside of the outlet passing, he's also a good passer in the halfcourt setting.

So yeah, the assist number might dip a little, but for the reasons provided above, he should be able to keep up these numbers throughout the season.

had similar stats over the past 3 seasons. The points is gonna drop to 22 - 24 tho

Expect points and efficiency to drop a bit as the season goes on. Assists maybe to drop to 4 also.

He will keep it up. Could probably be MVP if the Wolves win like 50+ games.

Hes more dominant on offense than Garnett has ever been. Hes no where near the defender though.

Short version?
No.

Long version?
No. :lol

Its just a short streak, his points and efficiency will drop as season progresses. Plus health is always a question mark for Love, I hope he can have his first full season this year.

[QUOTE=Dresta]Expect points and efficiency to drop a bit as the season goes on. Assists maybe to drop to 4 also.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. He's not going to keep it up at what he has now. It will drop a little.

[QUOTE=Collie]He will keep it up. Could probably be MVP if the Wolves win like 50+ games.[/QUOTE]

With the way he plays D coming from the PF spot I just cant see that happening.

The Wolves are a treat to watch, i love watching Adlemans system run smoothly.

Do you guys think that Love will stay if the Wolves have another losing season?

[QUOTE=mugiwara]With the way he plays D coming from the PF spot I just cant see that happening.
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How does he play D?

it dependz on how long he would stay healthy :lol

[QUOTE=Dresta]Expect points and efficiency to drop a bit as the season goes on. Assists maybe to drop to 4 also.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why though? None of the numbers he's putting up are too dissimilar than what he was putting up the last time he was healthy. The differences are subtle but have pretty dramatic effect.

For one, his defensive rebounding is back up to the insane levels it used to be (it took a dip a few seasons back).

Two, this Wolves team is fairly better than the one two seasons ago. From Brewer's tendency to leak early to just being surrounded by much better spot-up and catch & shoot shooters. This is kind of why I wish player tracking was around in previous seasons because I'd like to see how many assist opportunities Love had per game. Playing with guys like Beasley, Wesley Johnson, and Derrick Williams (who is getting very little playing time this season, at least with Love) is a lot different than Kevin Martin and Brewer. Not to mention this team has a much better grasp of Adelman's offense. His assists might drop slightly but I'd be surprised if they drop that much.

Which brings up the only difference between the '12 and '14 (thus far) which is his two point shooting percentage (his three point shooting is actually a notch lower than his last two healthy seasons but his free throw rate is about the same). It's unlikely that this goes down though because of the after mentioned spacing and just a basic understanding of the offense. Love isn't having to force shots in the same to get points and is getting the ball in much advantageous positions. This isn't likely to change over the course of the season. His numbers might slip but it's doubtful it'll be by a noticeable margin.

No, I can see his ppg drop

I think the last guy to do this for a season was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1976 when he ran a line of 27.7 pts, 16.9 rebounds, and 5 assists (& was the MVP).

Shaq never got 14 rebounds on a season (although 13.9 his rookie year is close enough), and neither he nor Moses even approached those kinds of assist numbers.

Sir Charles had a season of 27 10 & 4 in 1991. Bob McAdoo in '77 had a season of 26.5, 12.8 rebounds and 3.8 assists. We are talking about all-time titans of the game. I might be missing somebody but I can't think who it would be.

Of course 9 games is not 82 games.

i feel the most impressive part of his stats are his assist numbers. if he can average 5 for the season, then god damn.

he is a stat-stuffer no doubt but these numbers will probably come down a little bit

I hope Love lead his team into the playoffs. So far he's top 2 in MVP Ranking.

[QUOTE=steve]I don't see why though? None of the numbers he's putting up are too dissimilar than what he was putting up the last time he was healthy. The differences are subtle but have pretty dramatic effect.

For one, his defensive rebounding is back up to the insane levels it used to be (it took a dip a few seasons back).

Two, this Wolves team is fairly better than the one two seasons ago. From Brewer's tendency to leak early to just being surrounded by much better spot-up and catch & shoot shooters. This is kind of why I wish player tracking was around in previous seasons because I'd like to see how many assist opportunities Love had per game. Playing with guys like Beasley, Wesley Johnson, and Derrick Williams (who is getting very little playing time this season, at least with Love) is a lot different than Kevin Martin and Brewer. Not to mention this team has a much better grasp of Adelman's offense. His assists might drop slightly but I'd be surprised if they drop that much.

Which brings up the only difference between the '12 and '14 (thus far) which is his two point shooting percentage (his three point shooting is actually a notch lower than his last two healthy seasons but his free throw rate is about the same). It's unlikely that this goes down though because of the after mentioned spacing and just a basic understanding of the offense. Love isn't having to force shots in the same to get points and is getting the ball in much advantageous positions. This isn't likely to change over the course of the season. His numbers might slip but it's doubtful it'll be by a noticeable margin.[/QUOTE]
Because he isn't a versatile enough scorer to average 27. If he keeps it up he we get more and more focus put on him by opposing teams, and his numbers will fall. He won't keep getting the shots he's been getting. And, he will probably get injured at some point.

[QUOTE=Dresta][B]Because he isn't a versatile enough scorer to average 27[/B]. If he keeps it up he we get more and more focus put on him by opposing teams, and his numbers will fall. He won't keep getting the shots he's been getting. And, he will probably get injured at some point.[/QUOTE]

What makes you say that? He can shoot the 3, can post-up, grabs offensive boards, and can draw fouls using head fakes and putting the ball on the floor. And that's just what he does with the ball. He moves very well off-the-ball under Adelman's system, and Rubio uses this to his advantage to find Love on cuts and for open 3's.

[QUOTE=Dresta][B]Because he isn't a versatile enough scorer to average 27[/B]. If he keeps it up he we get more and more focus put on him by opposing teams, and his numbers will fall. He won't keep getting the shots he's been getting. And, he will probably get injured at some point.[/QUOTE]He was versatile enough to average 26 his last healthy season, but 27 is too much?

You mean the 6'9 unathletic pudgy white guy? No way he could play in the league today....

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]You mean the 6'9 unathletic pudgy white guy? No way he could play in the league today....[/QUOTE]
Guy measured [SIZE="4"]6-7[/SIZE] [SIZE="1"](and 3/4)[/SIZE] in the draft... Imagine a 6-7 white guy playing a POWER FORWARD in today's league where 7 foot tall with hyper athleticism is the norm at that position. Please. :roll: Guy wouldn't even get his shot off in today's league.

I don't see why he can't keep up with the points and rebounds. He's averaged more rebounds than that before and his points are about the same as usual, except now he's just more efficient.

Not sure about the assists. Tho, if teams don't stop his outlets then why not? That's like 1-3 assists right there and Love is a good passer in the halfcourt.

[QUOTE=Inactive]He was versatile enough to average 26 his last healthy season, but 27 is too much?[/QUOTE]
How many games did the Wolves win that year?

A large portion of those points were scored on open 3 point shots and scrappy put-backs/offensive rebounds and fouls. He rarely created his own shot.

It is different when teams actually try against you, rather than thinking 'it's only the Wolves: easy night'

Teams will start gearing their gameplans around keeping K-Love out of the game. He will not have so many easy looks as he did that season.

[QUOTE=Dresta]A large portion of those points were scored on open 3 point shots and scrappy put-backs/offensive rebounds and fouls. He rarely created his own shot.[/QUOTE]

Which means none of those points should count and Kevin Love should just retire.


How many times are we going to have this conversation. Kevin Love does something nobody since Moses Malone has done, [SIZE="7"][B]BUT[/B][/SIZE]

Kevin Love is doing something in his first nine games that no one since Kareem Abdul Jabbar has done for a full season, [SIZE="7"][B]BUT[/B][/SIZE]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Which means none of those points should count and Kevin Love should just retire.


How many times are we going to have this conversation. Kevin Love does something nobody since Moses Malone has done, [SIZE="7"][B]BUT[/B][/SIZE]

Kevin Love is doing something in his first nine games that no one since Kareem Abdul Jabbar has done for a full season, [SIZE="7"][B]BUT[/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
You are just putting words into my mouth you cretinous asshole.

I never said anything of the sort, but it is undeniable that K-Love's numbers benefited from the amount of garbage time minutes he had playing for such a shoddy team. A top player does not put up those kind of numbers and still have a team winning % of below .4

[QUOTE=Dresta]How many games did the Wolves win that year?[/QUOTE]

I just happened to come across this post for the year before his 26 point season

[QUOTE][B]Kevin Love was good but his team was terrible.
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Where the red lines intersect is average. Top Right is very good. Love is pinned in the top right corner, virtually all of his team is on the bottom left.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]I just happened to come across this post for the year before his 26 point season



Where the red lines intersect is average. Top Right is very good. Love is pinned in the top right corner, virtually all of his team is on the bottom left.[/QUOTE]
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT

While the numbers are unreal to me the most impressive thing about K Love is how relentless and confident he is, on offence in particular. The guy just never stops hustling and when you combine that with high IQ/skills it just a unreal mix.

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]I just happened to come across this post for the year before his 26 point season



Where the red lines intersect is average. Top Right is very good. Love is pinned in the top right corner, virtually all of his team is on the bottom left.[/QUOTE]
How does the year before his 26 point season have anything to do with his 26 point season exactly? He had Rubio, Barea, Webster and a far improved Pekovic the following season. He additionally had Rick Adelman as coach. A top player would have dragged that team above where it was imo.

And this is irrelevant anyway: i was merely explaining why he isn't a versatile enough scorer right now to keep up the numbers he currently has. He isn't dominant inside, and he doesn't have much of a game off the dribble.

Then you just had to jump on my post and moronically proclaim me to be saying something i wasn't. Take your straw-man bullshit elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Dresta]How does the year before his 26 point season have anything to do with his 26 point season exactly? He had Rubio, Barea, Webster and a far improved Pekovic the following season. He additionally had Rick Adelman as coach. A top player would have dragged that team above where it was imo.

And this is irrelevant anyway: i was merely explaining why he isn't a versatile enough scorer right now to keep up the numbers he currently has. He isn't dominant inside, and he doesn't have much of a game off the dribble.

Then you just had to jump on my post and moronically proclaim me to be saying something i wasn't. Take your straw-man bullshit elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

An interesting thread, although I'm like you... I got confused about the timelines that other guy was talking about. Didn't seem to make sense, talking about 1 season then switching to another.

What does [I]'dominant inside'[/I] mean to you?

[QUOTE=Dresta]How does the year before his 26 point season have anything to do with his 26 point season exactly? [/QUOTE]

Just happened to be the year the graph was made for.

If you think Rubio, Pekovic for 27 minutes a game, Barea and Webster are enough to transform a 17 win team to a 500 team....well. You had Kevin Love and then nobody who could get you 15 points a game in 2012.

Wade
Rose
Love

My fav 3 players. I lub me some lub. Also wish people would get off him not being a great defender. How many of the good PFs are? Hello? Anyone? Didnt think so.

Remember when people thought Love snubbed Aldridge out of the All star game a couple of years back and were angry about it? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Just happened to be the year the graph was made for.

If you think Rubio, Pekovic for 27 minutes a game, Barea and Webster are enough to transform a 17 win team to a 500 team....well. You had Kevin Love and then nobody who could get you 15 points a game in 2012.[/QUOTE]
Hence why he was able to score 26 a game, and why i don't think he'll average 27 this year. What don't you understand about that?

I was asked why i thought his points numbers would go down over the season when he averaged 26 last time he was healthy. Answer: he is not a versatile enough offensive player to average 27 on a playoff team. None of what you're accusing me of really has anything to do with what i said. You were just getting all defensive over nothing.

I still think he'll average around 25, i just said i thought his output would decline a bit from what it is now, only to get jumped on by loads of sensitive people.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]An interesting thread, although I'm like you... I got confused about the timelines that other guy was talking about. Didn't seem to make sense, talking about 1 season then switching to another.

What does [I]'dominant inside'[/I] mean to you?[/QUOTE]
Someone who can score at will in the post.

[QUOTE=Dresta]Someone who can score at will in the post.[/QUOTE]There is no one besides maybe Dirk, Timmy in a game 6 or 7, Lebron when he's focused, in today's league who can score at will in a post up situation.

Carmelo, Hibbert, Lopez, Love, Aldridge, and a handful of others are very good scoring in the post, but with the way defense is now, it is not like it was in the 80's or 90's.....posting up now, the help defense can come from a shorter distance away and double team faster than in decades past.

It's not a post up league anymore so your point is moot.

The real question is, does the fact that Kevin Love scores more of his points off of cuts, free throws, and open 3's make him less of an asset or more of an asset ?

It certainly makes him less of a noticeable superstar, as you'll never see a highlight of him in isolation, crossing someone over then dunking on them.

But let's really think about this, and please I'd like everyone to respond:

[B][SIZE="3"]1. When has a guy had a season under his belt of 26ppg on good efficiency, and is looking like he will have another season at that rate, all of it done WITHOUT NEEDING THE BALL IN HIS HANDS MUCH ? AND WITHOUT NEEDING MANY PLAYS RUN FOR HIM?[/SIZE][/B]

[B][SIZE="3"]2. Does a team benefit MORE from having multiple 20+PPG talents who both need the ball in their hands to succeed? Or does it benefit more when ONE 20+PPG talent needs the ball in their hands to succeed, and another does not need the ball in their hands to succeed?[/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=BarberSchool]The real question is, does the fact that Kevin Love scores more of his points off of cuts, free throws, and open 3's make him less of an asset or more of an asset ?

It certainly makes him less of a noticeable superstar, as you'll never see a highlight of him in isolation, crossing someone over then dunking on them.

But let's really think about this, and please I'd like everyone to respond:

[B][SIZE="3"]1. When has a guy had a season under his belt of 26ppg on good efficiency, and is looking like he will have another season at that rate, all of it done WITHOUT NEEDING THE BALL IN HIS HANDS MUCH ? AND WITHOUT NEEDING MANY PLAYS RUN FOR HIM?[/SIZE][/B]

[B][SIZE="3"]2. Does a team benefit MORE from having multiple 20+PPG talents who both need the ball in their hands to succeed? Or does it benefit more when ONE 20+PPG talent needs the ball in their hands to succeed, and another does not need the ball in their hands to succeed?[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
Bob Pettit is one answer - there are quite a few more examples though, but Pettit is fresh on my mind cause I've been working on a mix. He plays almost identical to Love, or should I say Love almost identical to him. Scores by offensive rebounds, moving without the ball, drawing fouls inside - and a small hand full of actual legitimate field goal attempts from the perimeter.

That style of play earned Bob Pettit 2 league MVP's in the late 50's.

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