Lets assume Wade was not a "Heat Lifer" and they were going to trade him. What would be a good package back? Or equal trade? What is his worth.
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Lets assume Wade was not a "Heat Lifer" and they were going to trade him. What would be a good package back? Or equal trade? What is his worth.
[QUOTE=EveryManALion]Lets assume Wade was not a "Heat Lifer" and they were going to trade him. What would be a good package back? Or equal trade? What is his worth.[/QUOTE]
i wouldnt trade jimmy butler for dwyane wade.
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]i wouldnt trade jimmy butler for dwyane wade.[/QUOTE]
Why? Knees?
Not a whole lot probably, he can't exactly be a teams main guy anymore playing once every 2 or 3 games..
More than Kobe.
Considering that he is injured, AND 100% does not want to leave Miami and will be a headache to his new team, not that much.
Kevin Martin + Kevin Love
for
D-Wade + Chris Bosh
Deron Williams.
Amare:lol
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]Kevin Martin + Kevin Love
for
D-Wade + Chris Bosh[/QUOTE]
This would make Minnesota a much better team. Shows the unreliable nature of stats tbh.
Being that most of the South FL fanbase think Wade should remain a Heat his entire career, they're more than likely won't be any trade/package deal for him.
Riley will force him to opt out of that 5th year, restructure a 3-4 year deal worth $20-25 mil (if he's lucky) and then retire at 35 (i think that'll be his age). It will allow the Heat to sign another, quality, SG for some adequate funds to keep them in full title contention while Wade still helps from the bench/sometime starts.
[QUOTE=r15mohd]Being that most of the South FL fanbase think Wade should remain a Heat his entire career, they're more than likely won't be any trade/package deal for him.
Riley will force him to opt out of that 5th year, restructure a 3-4 year deal worth $20-25 mil (if he's lucky) and then retire at 35 (i think that'll be his age). It will allow the Heat to sign another, quality, SG for some adequate funds to keep them in full title contention while Wade still helps from the bench/sometime starts.[/QUOTE]
You think Wade's going to sign a 4 year $25M deal? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Dresta]This would make Minnesota a much better team. Shows the unreliable nature of stats tbh.[/QUOTE]
I think it'd make the Heat a bit better, but it'd drastically change the entire T-Wolves franchise.
Not sure how a Wade and Rubio pairing would work out though. They can't shoot threes for sht, but a Rubio and Bosh pairing would be pretty awesome with a cutting Wade. If they can pick up a Danny Granger for 2014, that'll be one hell of a team.
We all know it aint happening though...especially in MN.
Wade is old. I'd guess he has about 2-3 years of steady decline before taking a heavy plunge.
I'd say JJ Redick or George Hill is about equal trade considering the tradeoff between longevity and impact.
More than you can afford, pal.
If he doesn't contribute as much this year, I could see him opting out and taking less. Closer to 10mil a year like Duncan. The same for Bosh.
He's a better player than what the Heat could ever trade him for.
If Wade were to opt out this year and the Heat offered him something like 8-10mil a year until he's 35, would any other team try to give him more money?
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]If Wade were to opt out this year and the Heat offered him something like 8-10mil a year until he's 35, would any other team try to give him more money?[/QUOTE]
Of course.
How often do players opt out in order to take LESS money?
Maybe Amar'e will opt out too, and take less money or retire.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]I think[B] it'd make the Heat a bit better[/B], but it'd drastically change the entire T-Wolves franchise.
Not sure how a Wade and Rubio pairing would work out though. They can't shoot threes for sht, but a Rubio and Bosh pairing would be pretty awesome with a cutting Wade. If they can pick up a Danny Granger for 2014, that'll be one hell of a team.
We all know it aint happening though...especially in MN.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it would considering the Heat's offence is already spectacular, and that trade would destroy their defence. K-Love could never do what Bosh does for the Heat defensively, and i'd much rather have Wade than K-Mart in the playoffs, at both ends.
[QUOTE=aj1987]You think Wade's going to sign a 4 year $25M deal? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
he has 2 choices come next summer...force his 5th year and hamper the team with the $20mil option for the 2014-2015 season, or restructure his deal to play out the rest of his career in Miami and make about 6-8 mil over the next 3-4 years.
teams are going to basically match that, he's not really worth much more as it stands...is he gonna sacrifice his "Wade County" love for a couple mil over the contract years elsewhere? :confusedshrug:
you're a Wade follower, so of course you'd believe he's worth more...I'm a Miami Heat fan, and reality is he's not! We can do so much better by letting him walk next summer and signing reliable tallent...I'm all for that option because I want titles and don't care about a players loyalty or what have you. But again this "Wade County" love the locals preach with somehow trumps future solid attempts at titles, so I give Wade a benefit and offer him 6-8 mil over the remaining years of his career to stay in Miami. Take it or leave it
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]If Wade were to opt out this year and the Heat offered him something like 8-10mil a year until he's 35, would any other team try to give him more money?[/QUOTE]
He's 32 in January so you're suggesting around 3 years 24-30 million? He makes like 20 million next year alone...and another 20 million after that. Makes no sense for him to opt out of his player option.
If he plays great in the playoffs while being healthy, I can easily see an "almost-there" team offer him 4 years 55-60 million. Pistons? Cavs? Trailblazers? Spurs? Grizzlies? Pelicans if they can move Gordon or Tyreke?
I believe his priority is to get healthy this year and show he can play at a high level for the next 3 years. It'll be easy for him to average 18/5/5 on 50% for the next 3 years with leadership intangibles.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Of course.
How often do players opt out in order to take LESS money?
Maybe Amar'e will opt out too, and take less money or retire.
:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm Amare don't even have a player option. Wade isn't going to take less even though his value will depreciate with age and injuries? I bet you and other nut jobs still think Kobe can get a 30mil contract after this year with his age and injuries.
Their play and contributions make up their value, so no team is going to offer Wade 20m maybe 15m on a bad team. Then there's the choice whether he wants to stay or not and if he's willing to take less than what those bad teams will offer. It's not rocket science. If he doesn't opt out, there will be pressure on him to perform. If he fails like he has been, this team will try to trade him. Does he want that?
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Of course.
How often do players opt out in order to take LESS money?
Maybe Amar'e will opt out too, and take less money or retire.
:roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
He could opt out for a longer term smaller annual salary deal.
[QUOTE=r15mohd]he has 2 choices come next summer...force his 5th year and hamper the team with the $20mil option for the 2014-2015 season, or restructure his deal to play out [B]the rest of his career in Miami and make about 6-8 mil over the next 3-4 years[/B].
teams are going to basically match that, he's not really worth much more as it stands...is he gonna sacrifice his "Wade County" love for a couple mil over the contract years elsewhere? :confusedshrug:
you're a Wade follower, so of course you'd believe he's worth more...I'm a Miami Heat fan, and reality is he's not! We can do so much better by letting him walk next summer and signing reliable tallent...I'm all for that option because I want titles and don't care about a players loyalty or what have you. But again this "Wade County" love the locals preach with somehow trumps future solid attempts at titles, so I give Wade a benefit and offer him 6-8 mil over the remaining years of his career to stay in Miami. Take it or leave it[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
He is not signing for 6 mil man, not in a million years.
[QUOTE=RRR3]More than Kobe.[/QUOTE]
always bringing kobe in conversation for wade/lebron
so insecure
[QUOTE=ispin69]:facepalm Amare don't even have a player option. Wade isn't going to take less even though his value will depreciate with age and injuries? I bet you and other nut jobs still think Kobe can get a 30mil contract after this year with his age and injuries.
Their play and contributions make up their value, so no team is going to offer Wade 20m maybe 15m on a bad team. Then there's the choice whether he wants to stay or not and if he's willing to take less than what those bad teams will offer. It's not rocket science. If he doesn't opt out, there will be pressure on him to perform. If he fails like he has been, this team will try to trade him. Does he want that?[/QUOTE]
If Wade wants to stay, Miami is stuck with D-Wade whether they like it or not. Why would any team trade for a 20 million dollar player whose heart and soul is in Miami? If anything, he'd try to help out the organization by taking $3-5 million less than what he's making now. That's the most anyone could expect him to do. No way is he going to play for $6-8 million when he's owed $20+ million. That's like asking Kobe to take $8 mil when he is owed $30 mil. It's not like Wade and Kobe are out there half-assing out there not caring. They still want to win. They earned the money. Do they deserve it at the very moment? Probably not.
I think the Heat trading Wade looks worse for them than it is to him. He's loyal and unselfish. It's not like he's a scrub. He's an 18-20 ppg player for the next 2-3 years. He'd probably be able to put up 15-16 ppg at age 36 if he is out there on the court. He'll probably reach father time before that though.
[QUOTE=Dresta]:facepalm
He is not signing for 6 mil man, not in a million years.[/QUOTE]
He probably feels he
Amare & JR
Wes Matthews
Not much only because he could just opt out after this season and then go sign with HEAT
[QUOTE=Mass Debator]If Wade wants to stay, Miami is stuck with D-Wade whether they like it or not. [B]Why would any team trade for a 20 million dollar player whose heart and soul is in Miami? If anything, he'd try to help out the organization by taking $3-5 million less than what he's making now. That's the most anyone could expect him to do. No way is he going to play for $6-8 million when he's owed $20+ million. That's like asking Kobe to take $8 mil when he is owed $30 mil. [/B]It's not like Wade and Kobe are out there half-assing out there not caring. They still want to win. They earned the money. Do they deserve it at the very moment? Probably not.
I think the Heat trading Wade looks worse for them than it is to him. He's loyal and unselfish. It's not like he's a scrub. He's an 18-20 ppg player for the next 2-3 years. He'd probably be able to put up 15-16 ppg at age 36 if he is out there on the court. He'll probably reach father time before that though.[/QUOTE]
well that's the thing...you have to put Wade in the corner with some threat to continue to make these title runs, he's the weakest link and owed too much money. Make him show his loyalty to the Heat org and Miami now...either restructure and help the team, and be in Miami until his career is over or just let him opt in to his 5th year selfishly for the cash and cut ties thereafter. Simple to me...either way, Miami wins in the long run just one better than the other
[QUOTE=r15mohd]He probably feels he
[QUOTE=Dresta]You're really thick. First, Kevin Martin doesn't play defence, and is a one-dimensional scorer. Second, the Heat have been saying Wade won't be properly healthy until December, and so they are working him back slowly, and with caution, because you know, they have the big picture in mind (Rashard Lewis had the same knee treatment and said it took 6 months to fully recover - supported by the fact he was shit last season, and has been very good so far this season). The T-Wolves don't have to worry about that because they are first-round fodder. Thirdly, K-Mart has been playing much better than he did the last 2 seasons, and if he'd been playing this well then, he'd be earning more money.
In short: you are full of [/QUOTE]
LMAO...I’m full of it yet you’re clearly supporting my argument in your response. Kevin Martin didn’t make anything because he didn’t perform prior years before, isn’t this what you’re indicating above?
exactly what is Wade doing now that’s so different than Kevin Martin before :confusedshrug:
you’re basing it off future hope that Wade recovers, right now he’s worth no more than $8mil over 3 years..if he breaks out and has 25ppg season (very unliekly) then he can say he deserves more, but over the past 3 years all he has done is decline. you can attest that by stats, PER, watching every game over n over, and what ever other criteria you would like to measure as well :facepalm
[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]i wouldnt trade jimmy butler for dwyane wade.[/QUOTE]
this is why the bulls will not win a ring in our lifetime. idiotic fans and poor managment
[QUOTE=r15mohd]LMAO...I
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]He could opt out for a longer term smaller annual salary deal.[/QUOTE]
Why would he do that, when he could just get that the following year after collecting his $20+ million next year?
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Why would he do that, when he could just get that the following year after collecting his $20+ million next year?[/QUOTE]
He could do that, but it's not unprecedented for a player to take less than market value. LeBron, Bosh, and Wade all took less than max money in 2010, with Wade taking the biggest paycut amongst the three. No one knows what may happen after this season, but right now it's looking like Wade will sit out at least 10% of all games. Bosh and LeBron are contributing, but they aren't stupid enough to believe that the supporting cast isn't needed for a ring.
Haslem, Beasley, Chalmers, Battier, Ray Allen, James Jones, Rashard Lewis, Birdman, Oden, and Roger Mason Jr are all hitting the market after this year. Wade would have to be out of his mind if he thinks the Heat can afford to lose 50% of those guys and still have a chance at competing for a title. Of course he can just keep opting in and trade cash over rings, but that wouldn't spill over well with LeBron and Bosh. Wade would put himself in a situation where he'd make $20M, but be surrounded by scrubs and retire in a Rashard Lewis / Vince Carter type of way.
What I think will happen is that LeBron, Wade and Bosh (maybe Haslem, Allen, and others as well) will sit down some time after this season's over and talk about how each guy wants to move forward from here. If the Heat win their third title in a row, they'll have a chance to do something that hasn't been done even by Jordan. It will be interesting for sure to see what happens.
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]He could do that, but it's not unprecedented for a player to take less than market value. LeBron, Bosh, and Wade all took less than max money in 2010, with Wade taking the biggest paycut amongst the three. No one knows what may happen after this season, but right now it's looking like Wade will sit out at least 10% of all games. Bosh and LeBron are contributing, but they aren't stupid enough to believe that the supporting cast isn't needed for a ring.
Haslem, Beasley, Chalmers, Battier, Ray Allen, James Jones, Rashard Lewis, Birdman, Oden, and Roger Mason Jr are all hitting the market after this year. Wade would have to be out of his mind if he thinks the Heat can afford to lose 50% of those guys and still have a chance at competing for a title. Of course he can just keep opting in and trade cash over rings, but that wouldn't spill over well with LeBron and Bosh. Wade would put himself in a situation where he'd make $20M, but be surrounded by scrubs and retire in a Rashard Lewis / Vince Carter type of way.
What I think will happen is that LeBron, Wade and Bosh (maybe Haslem, Allen, and others as well) will sit down some time after this season's over and talk about how each guy wants to move forward from here. If the Heat win their third title in a row, they'll have a chance to do something that hasn't been done even by Jordan. It will be interesting for sure to see what happens.[/QUOTE]
Players take less money, but they don't opt out of $20 million dollars for the good of the team.
At the end of the day these guys all play for money. That last year is likely Wade's last big pay check. There is no way he is giving that up. Neither is Bosh for that matter.
The fact is the 3 of them have player options. Wade wants to opt in and just take the money while not contributing as much? Lebron walks to Cleveland, Bosh signs with some other team. You think he wants that? Then the team becomes trash and front office entertain the thought trading him anyways.
If Beasley steps up and does play the way they want (6th man of the year type numbers), he should get a decent contract. The suns are still paying him from the buyout 4m this year and 3m next. But Heat still have to give him a decent contract. They can only do that if someone who hasn't been contributing as much takes a cut. Wade and Bosh struggled in the playoffs and certainly in the finals. What they do this season determines who should take the paycut because they have been slacking. Loyalty goes both ways. The player option they wanted was to allow them to re-evaluate the situation and if they still want to be on this team. Wade makes tons of money on his brand deals and commercials (tmobile) anyways.
Wade's value is obviously greater with the Heat than any other team. It would be impossible for the Heat to get equal value in a trade, but hypothetically he still has great value to any championship contender. He's a proven winner and big game performer who makes impact plays and can take over games.