Phil Jackson on Scottie Pippen's as a leader

I see Pippen get criticized for not being a leader often on ISH. It is funny to see this criticism when leadership was one of his top attributes, a reason why he was able to contribute even past his prime. It is one reason he had 16 winning seasons in a row. Fortunately, I found so many quotes I will have to separate them into several threads, i.e. one for his teammates.

People make the mistake of conflating scoring prowess with leadership, or even basketball ability in general with leadership. A player could be the 12th man and still be the primary team leader or one of the leaders. Leadership is a trait that is not associated with an ability to put a ball through a hoop. Leadership is also enduring. A great player who is a great leader should be that even when he declines later in his career. Leaders gonna lead. If you look at people who rise to high leadership positions you will find they had a leadership streak in them even at a young age and held leadership positions throughout their lives. Most modern U.S. presidents, for example, had a leadership role while in college and then in their community even before achieving the first rungs of the elected ladder.

[B][U]Phil Jackson on Scottie Pippen as a leader[/U][/B]


[B]“On the Bulls, Scottie was probably the player most liked by others.[/B] He mingled. [B]He brought out the best in players [/B]and communicated the best. [B]Leadership, real leadership is one of his strengths.[/B]

[B]“Everybody says Michael [Jordan] was a great leader.[/B] He led by example, by rebuke, by harsh words. [B]Scottie’s leadership was equally dominant, but [his was] a leadership of patting on the back, of support.”[/B]

[url]http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/pippen_feature_031112.html[/url]

[QUOTE]"It is interesting and revealing that teammates, opponents and coaches consistently praise Pippen. Phil Jackson, his coach with the six-time champion Chicago Bulls, declares, [B]'Scottie was our team leader. He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively.[/B]..the year that Michael retired, Scottie I think was the most valuable player in the league.' [/QUOTE]

[url]http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/...asketball.html[/url]

[QUOTE]We fans have our memories of Pippen the player, the dramatic dunks and the big games. The rings. But [B]Jackson thinks of Pippen the defensive leader.[/B][B]

Scottie was our voice on defense.[/B] He had, as you can tell, a tremendous voice. He has a deep resonating voice that could be heard on the court. And [B]he also had the ability to talk to his teammates, and send them and direct them.[/B] But we had to trap Stockton when he got over half court, and try to get the ball out of his hands. And he had to come from the farthest place on the court to trap with either Steve Kerr if he was guarding Stockton, or Ronnie Harper if he was guarding Stockton, so we could get the ball out of his hands. And then he had to get back to the other side of the court once Stockton got the ball out of his hands. [B]I can remember him calling and directing the team during those situations. Those are the things that made Scottie not only a great player, but also a great team leader that was so important to our basketball club…[/B]
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[url]http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/phil-jackson-reminisces-about-scottie-pippen-and-his-defense/[/url]

[QUOTE]“He was always a very good person on and off the court. [B]He understood his teammates and he helped them out. [/B]That was a major development in Scottie’s career.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]“His greatest strength was his knowledge of how things worked on the defensive end of the floor,” he said.[B] “Scottie was the voice of our team—figuratively and literally, as he did a lot of the talking and kept our team on the same page. [/B]When he wasn’t at the top of the key harassing a guard as a special assignment, he was on the backside of our defense [B]talking his teammates through different situations, whether it was a double team, trap or some other important aspect. Because of that, he was very vital to the run that we made.”[/B][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippenhof_jackson_100730.html[/url]

[QUOTE]“It was a learning moment in his life,” Jackson wrote. [B]“He came back as a leader of teams for another decade.”[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][B]“Our quarterback on defense was Scottie Pippen. [/B]‘Go get him, Luc,’ he’d yell to center Luc Longley. ‘Bring some help.’ [B]All I needed to do was whistle, and Scottie would know instinctively how our defense should react. On the occasions when I signaled a player toward the bench to ask why he suddenly changed his defensive position, the standard reply was: ‘Scottie sent me.’ Which is why, when I met Dr. Buss in Hawaii last May, Scottie was my first choice among the prospective free agents.”[/B] (excerpted from The Last Season).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]d it was because of that experience that Scottie was able to empathize with everyone else in ways that Michael never could. Michael Jordan led the Bulls by example, but Phil Jackson always said that Pippen was the team’s vocal leader in the locker room and on the court. [/QUOTE]

[url]http://arjun-allthingssports.blogspot.com/2011/08/scottie-pippen-greatness-in-nutshell_27.html[/url]

[B][U]Charley Rosen[/U][/B]

I will include quotes from Rosen because Rosen's source obviously is Jackson.

[QUOTE]When Jackson took over from Collins in 1989, the triangle offense was installed and history was in the offing. Jackson felt so comfortable with Pippen's understanding and instincts on the defensive end that he frequently deferred to Scottie's judgment. [B]Oftentimes when Jackson would question why an otherwise intelligent player zigged in a particular defensive sequence instead of executing the required zag, the player would simply say, "Scottie told me to do it." And the coach was satisfied.[/B]

In fact, all of the Bulls were somewhat afraid of Michael Jordan (who would ferociously bark at them whenever they made the slightest mistake in positioning or timing). [B]For solace and advice, the players instead turned to Scottie. Throughout the dynasty, it was Pippen who was the team's on-court leader.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On many occasions, Phil Jackson would question a player about why he had not adhered to the pre-game script by failing to double a designated scorer or "half" a defensive rotation. The player's response would usually be, "Scottie told me to do something different."

PJ would then shrug, nod and say, "Okay."

Also, since MJ was extremely harsh on teammates who made mistakes, [B]it was Pippen whom his teammates sought out to soothe their bruised egos.

To civilians, Pippen was irresponsible, aloof and occasionally semi-antagonistic. But to his peers, he was always accessible and well-liked.[/B][/QUOTE]

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9...ron%27s-flaws?[/url]

[QUOTE]While Pippen was usually aloof with civilians,[B] he was the player that the other Bulls turned to for advice and solace. (They were all much too afraid of MJ's caustic and insulting remedies for their comparatively inferior talent.) Moreover, it was Pippen who orchestrated the Bulls' stingy defense — making on-the-spot adjustments, and instructing his teammates (including MJ) when to double, when to rotate, when to sag, when to go over and when to go under screens.

On the defensive end of Chicago's six championships, Pippen was Phil Jackson's surrogate coach-on-the-court.[/B]
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[QUOTE]Still, Pippen proved his bona fides during the 1993-94 season when MJ was trying to hit curve balls. That’s when [B]Pippen orchestrated the triangle offense to perfection[/B] and Chicago was denied a chance to win another championship by Hue Hollins making one of the worst calls in NBA history.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/Rosen-reviewing-2010-HOF-class-040610?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url]

Edit: I screwed up the thread title. I originally had "Phil Jackson on Scottie Pippen's leadership" and forgot to remove the apostrophe when I changed it.

It's so sad what you are trying to prove with this thread
Sorry bro, MJ is the GOAT

I love pippen, but c'mon it's so transparent, your end game

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]Sorry bro, MJ is the GOAT[/QUOTE]

And? How is that mutually exclusive with the evidence in the OP? So if someone talks about Derek Fisher's leadership that is a slight on Kobe? It is funny how it is a crime to say anything positive about any 90's Bull not named Mike. :lol

[QUOTE=The_Pharcyde]
I love pippen, but c'mon it's so transparent, your end game[/QUOTE]

good thing Pip is leaps and bounds better than LBJ as a leader. GO PIP!

John Paxson

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]And? How is that mutually exclusive with the evidence in the OP? So if someone talks about Derek Fisher's leadership that is a slight on Kobe? It is funny how it is a crime to say anything positive about any 90's Bull not named Mike. :lol[/QUOTE]


You aren't fooling anyone

I'm not even a Jordan Stan
But damn all these other Stan's trying to put down other players is so damn annoying... A bunch of 16 year olds bickering

Pharcyde, where was your "outrage" when Pippen was being called a poor leader repeatedly on ISH over time? I didn't see you speak up then. :lol

How is the OP anti-MJ? It is only anti-MJ if one believes only Mike should get credit for what happened in the 90's.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Pharcyde, where was your "outrage" when Pippen was being called a poor leader repeatedly on ISH over time? I didn't see you speak up then. :lol

How is the OP anti-MJ? It is only anti-MJ if one believes only Mike should get credit for what happened in the 90's.[/QUOTE]

I don't stalk this board 24/7 looking to fight
But seeing your posts before this, I know your end game

I could care less if someone thinks a plAyer is better than MJ
Who gives a shit, such trivial stuff

So what exactly has you :mad: about an OP giving credit to a player for his leadership? Do you disagree with Mr. Jackson? Do you have anything substantive to say about the issue at hand? Or are you just :mad: because a player other than Mike got some credit?

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]So what exactly has you :mad: about an OP giving credit to a player for his leadership? Do you disagree with Mr. Jackson? Do you have anything substantive to say about the issue at hand? Or are you just :mad: because a player other than Mike got some credit?[/QUOTE]


I mean I could go on and on I have read over 10+ on the dynasty bulls
And Phil Jackson

But why would I talk to a troll who is either trying to prop kobe or lebron through a back channel like all the other ones

Anyone else think it is weird that Pippen all of the sudden has so many supporters

Scottie is my guy, I'll never forget his 1993 ECF and blocking charles smith or the 94 dunk on ewing

But anyone who says he was the leader of the Bulls is just lying to themselves
Just enjoy the game and all it's players
These young fans are too dumb to realize that yet

[QUOTE]But anyone who says he was the leader of the Bulls is just lying to themselves[/QUOTE]

Ok. So you finally get around to why you are :mad: . So Phil Jackson is lying? We are to believe an internet poster over the coach of the team?

Since you were in the locker room and in the huddle, who were the real leaders of the Bulls? You do realize teams often will have more than one leader, even if one guy is the primary leader?

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Ok. So you finally get around to why you are :mad: . So Phil Jackson is lying? We are to believe an internet poster over the coach of the team?

Since you were in the locker room and in the huddle, who were the leaders of the Bulls? You do realize teams often will have more than one leader, even if one guy is the primary leader?[/QUOTE]


Haha I have read that WHOLE book that you quoted an excerpt from
Pippen was the supporting leader, but Phil makes it clear in 11 rings that Jordan was the leaders leader
Pippen was a leader, but not on the level of Mike

[QUOTE]Pippen was the supporting leader, but Phil makes it clear in 11 rings that Jordan was the leaders leader
Pippen was a leader, but not on the level of Mike[/QUOTE]

So let's see the quotes. Even if what you say is true, it contradicts some of his other statements. Moreover, how is it relevant to the OP? So you were :mad: at Pippen getting credit for his leadership--called it an affront to Mike--yet here you are diminishing Pippen's leadership in a pro-Pippen thread? :roll:

Mike wouldn't even talk to some of his teammates. You do realize it is hard to "lead" when you ignore a percentage of your team, right? Or when you denigrate another portion of the squad. You don't see many people employ MJ's leadership style; there is a reason for that...

Supporting leader?

[QUOTE]“Everybody says Michael [Jordan] was a great leader. He led by example, by rebuke, by harsh words. [B]Scottie’s leadership was equally dominant[/B], but [his was] a leadership of patting on the back, of support.”[/QUOTE]

That and he also ran the offense, defense and was the guy players turned to when they needed--you know--leadership. Not too bad. He did the same things in Portland.

So if this thread was about Fisher being a leader in L.A. would you be salty?

[url]http://youtu.be/bYcjCoy7R4I[/url]

Dat leadership!

Who cares about this nonsense? So if I find Phil and tex winters quotes and post it means what? Mj and Pip were both captains and that's that.

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Bill Wennington]Scottie handled his relationships with his teammates differently, and better, in my opinion...

My first season with the Bulls was the 1993-94 season, the first one Michael did not play because of his initial retirement. In that season I saw Scottie as No. 1...[B]I played with a lot of players--Chris Webber, Mark Aguirre, Sam Perkins--Scottie was head and shoulders above all of those players in terms of leadership and what he stood for as a team basketball player...[/B]

...But [B]what Scottie represented to me is a player whom I would pick 1st for my team every time.[/B] Even if Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen...

...Scottie led that team ['93-'94 Bulls] to 55 wins...Maybe it's apples to oranges, but that season was an indication of what Scottie was capable of doing as a team leader."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill Wennington]“He was phenomenal. He really did carry that team,” Wennington said of Pippen during the 1993-94 season. “He pretty much put that team on his shoulders. No one was expecting a whole lot to happen, but we ended up winning 55 games. [B]Scottie was the heart and soul of that team. He took a lot of the big shots and was the reason we won some big games. I can’t say enough for how he stepped in so quickly and going from one of two guys to ‘the guy.’”[/B]

As for Pippen’s leadership, he became a team captain for the first time in his career and[B] regularly worked with all players, most notably during practice. Wennington said those kinds of actions went a long way, especially with the team’s reserves.[/B]
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“He was very helpful and never derogatory,”[/B] recalled Wennington.[B] “I was a new guy. I wasn’t even supposed to be on the team. But he was willing to help me out in practice when we were learning plays or working on the best way to cover a guy. He was able to talk to me without giving the impression like I was below him. He really wanted me to succeed and do well because that made him better.”[/B]
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[QUOTE=Bill Wennington]Pippen put his team first, something that was evident by his actions on the court.[B]

“Scottie made everyone better because he was unselfish,” [/B]said Wennington. [B]“He’d move the ball to the right spot. He had such a great basketball mind and really understood what was happening on the floor. He was always willing to help out his teammates and make them better.”

Off the court, Pippen looked out for his teammates as well. [/B]Wennington recalled a film room session in which the team was discussing a defensive scheme. In one scenario, Wennington wasn’t supposed to double team in the post, so he followed his man towards the top of the key. Pippen was isolated on his man and offered to help cover Wennington’s assignment as well, so he sent him back down low to assist. Jackson took note of Wennington’s double team and began to lay in to the center.
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“Before I could even answer, Scottie said, ‘Phil, I told him to do it.’ That to me spoke volumes about what type of guy he was,” said Wennington. “With your teammates, when something happens on the floor, you work together. [/B]Coaches don’t always know why you do something; they may think you broke a play. [B]Scottie stood up for me and that speaks volumes about him as a person.”[/B]
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I’m honored to know him.[/B] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John Paxson]In your final season, you have called it Scottie's defining year, which was also his favorite season.[B] What did you see from him that maybe you hadn't before in the 1993-94 campaign?[/B]

"It was the first time he was in a position of leadership more on his own than any other time. Nothing really changed. What people don't remember about that year was that we got off to a real slow start. Scottie was hurt at the beginning of the year and we were 4-7 coming back at the end of an early trip. At that point, we were kind of disjointed because we were trying to incorporate [Toni] Kukoc into the lineup. I had a good view because I was hurt for most of the year. It was at that point that I think Scottie got in his mind, 'You know what? This is my team. I've got to lead.' And he did. It's really remarkable when you think about it. 55 wins is terrific. It became a 70-game season because we started off 4-7. That was really when mentally it kicked in for him. We always knew he could do it. [B]I think the one thing I found interesting that year was that statistically, things didn't change much for him. He didn't look at it like he had to take on everything, and that's where teammates loved him. He had his best statistical year, but he found a way to make his teammates feel a part of it, reward them when they were open, and do all those things that he had done before, but not just in a little different role.[/B] So many people had written us off that year because we didn't have Michael. [B]Everyone said that we were going to win 25-30 games. Scottie kind of said, 'Nope, it's not going to happen.' He led us to 55."[/B]
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[QUOTE=PJR][url]http://youtu.be/bYcjCoy7R4I[/url]

Dat leadership![/QUOTE]

This.

And he doesn't even regret it.

[url]http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4266098-419/amid-bulls-celebration-scottie-pippen-has-no-regrets.html#.U9USwhB-TIU[/url]





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[QUOTE=juju151111]Who cares about this nonsense? So if I find Phil and tex winters quotes and post it means what? Mj and Pip were both captains and that's that.[/QUOTE]

Who cares? Evidently a lot of people who dismiss Pippen as a leader.

MJ, Pippen and Cartwright were captains. Correct. What do they have to do with this?

Were you on the team?

[QUOTE=jayfan]This.

And he doesn't even regret it.

[url]http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4266098-419/amid-bulls-celebration-scottie-pippen-has-no-regrets.html#.U9USwhB-TIU[/url]
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[QUOTE=Bill Wennington]A teammate of Pippen’s for five seasons, Wennington cited an infamous moment from Pippen’s career to tell the story of what made him such an extraordinary teammate.

“He was very accountable,” Wennington explained. [B]“A lot of people want to talk about the 1.8 seconds and how Scottie didn’t play. But [/B][B]Scottie came into the locker room immediately after the game and understood what he did. He apologized to his teammates.”[/B]

The incident Wennington was referring to, of course, was during the 1994 Eastern Conference semifinals, when the Bulls faced the New York Knicks. With Game 3 tied and 1.8 seconds remaining, the final play was designed so that Pippen would inbound the ball to rookie Toni Kukoc, who would then take the potential game-winning shot. Pippen was upset by the call and watched from the team bench as Kukoc connected at the buzzer to secure the win.

[B]“The media will never know what he said, but the way he handled it resolved the situation instantly,” said Wennington. “Scottie knew he made a mistake and that’s what people don’t understand. That was only my second year in Chicago, but I had all the respect in the world for Scottie after that.”[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Who cares? Evidently a lot of people who dismiss Pippen as a leader.

MJ, Pippen and Cartwright were captains. Correct. What do they have to do with this?[/QUOTE]
Pippen leadership got questioned when he got upset he couldn't take a shot and sulked on the bench. The next year he was campaign ing for Mj to come back.:bowdown:

[QUOTE=juju151111]Pippen leadership got questioned when he got upset he couldn't take a shot and sulked on the bench. The next year he was campaign ing for Mj to come back.:bowdown:[/QUOTE]

Questioned by who? Not his coaches. Not his teammates.

What does MJ have to do this? MJ had an important leadership role in Chicago in practice and by helping weed out mistakes.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Were you on the team?[/QUOTE]

Did you read the article? His quotes? Take it up with Pippen if you don't like what he said. Certainly not the first time he's come off as a douche.







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[QUOTE=jayfan]Did you read the article? His quotes? Take it up with Pippen if you don't like what he said. Certainly not the first time he's come off as a douche.[/QUOTE]

Did you read what the guy who was in the locker room said? Note that he mentions the public will never know what was said.

It is interesting you are calling him a douche. His teammates and coaches universally rave about him. Maybe he was/is a douche. I don't know what he does outside of being a basketball player. What I do know from following the Bulls and being a Pippen fan that the people within the team thought he was a great person. The key word is "person." A lot of what they note is beyond basketball statistics, i.e. Wennington talking about Pippen helping him even though he was a scrub. Jud Buechler noted Pippen always had a warm word to say to him and other players. Steve Kerr mentioned how Pippen would encourage him when he was struggling--and then orchestrate the offense to get him a good shot to get his confidence back. Remember, Kerr took Pippen in the second round of TNT's all-time draft.

When people consistently praise a player as a teammate, or coaches praise a player I conclude there is something to it. These are the people who were in the trenches with him. They were there when the cameras weren't rolling.

In my study of leadership I have found every leader has flaws. What makes them great sometimes also leads to a weakness. Pippen is no exception.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Questioned by who? Not his coaches. Not his teammates.

What does MJ have to do this? MJ had an important leadership role in Chicago in practice and by helping weed out mistakes.[/QUOTE]
By every body. Every thing you do I'd see n by teammates. You can't act like that

[IMG]http://eatwatchrun.com/wp-content/uploads/Look-at-me1.gif[/IMG]

My name is Roundball....and I just started my _____tenth anti-jordan thread. For my latest act, I will prop up Pippen all month through multiple threads and posts, telling people how he lead the Bulls to multiple chips and could have won chips without the Jordan guy. I hope you enjoy the show.

jordan was like vegeta-raw talent, skill, ruthlessness
pippen was goku-innate leadership, no weaknesses

phil had more trust in pippen because he was the steady player of the two. while jordan scored a lot of points and made his defender pay, scottie took the bulls offense by the horns and made opposing TEAM DEFENSES (and offenses) pay.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]jordan was like vegeta-raw talent, skill, ruthlessness
pippen was goku-innate leadership, no weaknesses

phil had more trust in pippen because he was the steady player of the two. while jordan scored a lot of points and made his defender pay, scottie took the bulls offense by the horn and made opposing TEAM DEFENSES (and offenses) pay.[/QUOTE]
Mj was the leader in playoffs asts in 89,90,91, and 93. Stop talking nonsense bro

[QUOTE=juju151111]Mj was the leader in playoffs asts in 89,90,91, and 93. Stop talking nonsense bro[/QUOTE]

very impressive, but that doesn't negate pippen's playmaking duties (the bulls also won more titles when pippen was THE assist guy-92,96,97,98).

This thread epitomizes the problem with Jordan mythologists. The mythology has reached such a ridiculous level that MJ stans can't handle any other player on Chicago getting credit. Pippen ran the offense, ran the defense and served a valuable leadership role with his teammates on and off the court--and we are supposed to pretend it didn't happen. Pippen did the same things when he went to Portland.

[QUOTE]very impressive, but that doesn't negate pippen's playmaking duties (the bulls also won more titles when pippen was THE assist guy-92,96,97,98).
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MJ had an insane usage rate in the playoffs--easily the highest in history. Of course he would get assists when he had the ball so much. It was Pippen who set up the offense, though, from 1991-1998. In Portland he shared those duties with Stoudemire at times; when it shifted fully to Pippen Portland did much better...

The thread is about Pippen and the Jordan revolutionary guard are here with their batons. If you couldn't criticise Jordan before, now know that you can't even praise one of his teammates.

Honestly, these posters are sick in the head - they're not trolling, this is how they think. It's like they've tied their own personal self-esteem to the Jordan brand and take it as a personal insult if anything in any way, shape or form detracts from it - even if that is just their own loony projection and not really intended.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]jordan was like vegeta-raw talent, skill, ruthlessness
pippen was goku-innate leadership, no weaknesses

phil had more trust in pippen because he was the steady player of the two. while jordan scored a lot of points and made his defender pay, scottie took the bulls offense by the horns and made opposing TEAM DEFENSES (and offenses) pay.[/QUOTE]

Roundball is the Jordan of the anti-jordan crowd

Mehya24 is that sidekick of the anti-jordan crowd ala Pippen

[IMG]http://mygeekblasphemy.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/robin.jpg[/IMG]

The robin in these anti-jordan posts

[URL="http://www.nba.com/jordan/is_philonmj.html"]http://www.nba.com/jordan/is_philonmj.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]very impressive, but that doesn't negate pippen's playmaking duties (the bulls also won more titles when pippen was THE assist guy-92,96,97,98).[/QUOTE]
When Mj hmgot old Pippen took over most the other years.:bowdown:

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]This thread epitomizes the problem with Jordan mythologists. The mythology has reached such a ridiculous level that MJ stans can't handle any other player on Chicago getting credit. Pippen ran the offense, ran the defense and served a valuable leadership role with his teammates on and off the court--and we are supposed to pretend it didn't happen. Pippen did the same things when he went to Portland.


MJ had an insane usage rate in the playoffs--easily the highest in history. Of course he would get assists when he had the ball so much. It was Pippen who set up the offense, though, from 1991-1998. In Portland he shared those duties with Stoudemire at times; when it shifted fully to Pippen Portland did much better...[/QUOTE]

pretty much. jordan probably had more flash to his passing, but pippen was always fundamental about it with the occasional pizzazz.

here are some great videos highlighting pip's playmaking:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIC8Xzk2cE[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOUthIPdwiI[/url]

:cheers:

[QUOTE=LeBird][B]The thread is about Pippen and the Jordan revolutionary guard are here with their batons.[/B] If you couldn't criticise Jordan before, now know that you can't even praise one of his teammates.

[B]Honestly, these posters are sick in the head - they're not trolling, this is how they think. It's like they've tied their own personal self-esteem to the Jordan brand and take it as a personal insult if anything in any way, shape or form detracts from it - even if that is just their own loony projection and not really intended.[/B][/QUOTE]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Exactly. Which is why MJ being the clear GOAT and the mythology is so important to them. If MJ loses that status, their world collapses. :oldlol: Hence their non-stop attacks on LeBron. Hopefully LeBron can get it done and we wouldn't have to deal with so many MJ stans in 5 years. These are the same people who got :mad: when they read that MJ's dick was smaller than Pippen's and proceeding to argue MJ was still huge even if smaller than Pippen. :roll:

It is interesting MJ fans are not disputing the substance in the OP. Those are straight from Phil Jackson himself. MJ stans are not even discussing the subject at hand.
Instead of giving credit to Pippen for how his leadership helped the team win they are bringing up 1.8 seconds and throwing various other tantrums.

[QUOTE][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIC8Xzk2cE[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOUthIPdwiI[/url]
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:bowdown:

[QUOTE=LeBird]The thread is about Pippen and the Jordan revolutionary guard are here with their batons. If you couldn't criticise Jordan before, now know that you can't even praise one of his teammates.

Honestly, these posters are sick in the head - they're not trolling, this is how they think. It's like they've tied their own personal self-esteem to the Jordan brand and take it as a personal insult if anything in any way, shape or form detracts from it - even if that is just their own loony projection and not really intended.[/QUOTE]
You Jordan haters come in every thread mentioning Pippen like any one gives a ****?

The thread says "as A leader" not "as THE leader." The obvious implication is other people also were leaders (Jordan, Cartwright). So why the fury? :lol

[QUOTE=juju151111]You Jordan haters come in every thread mentioning Pippen like any one gives a ****?[/QUOTE]

this thread is about pippen's leadership via phil jackson, yet jordan fans are making it about....jordan.

you people need to get over the fact that jordan, while great, was 1-9 without the real leaders of the bulls, scottie and pjax(as a headcoach).

jordan played his role. was a great scorer and 1 on 1 player. one of the best in that regard. however, pippen's all-around expertise is truly one of a kind. you dont often find a guy who's not only the best playmaker on the floor, but the best defender too. pippen's intangibles are what TEAM basketball is all about. what WINNING is all about.

[QUOTE=LeBird]The thread is about Pippen and the Jordan revolutionary guard are here with their batons. If you couldn't criticise Jordan before, now know that you can't even praise one of his teammates.

Honestly, these posters are sick in the head - they're not trolling, this is how they think. It's like they've tied their own personal self-esteem to the Jordan brand and take it as a personal insult if anything in any way, shape or form detracts from it - even if that is just their own loony projection and not really intended.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Sad, sad, sad

If u did ur homework...maybe u would notice this troll making numerous anti jordan bait threads...his new act is spreading Pippen as the leader of the Bulls now. He has been in numerous posts just the last two days with this act....this was a discussion in yesterday's Pippen lead the Bulls past round 1 thread....I guess he wasn't satisfied with it being a part of that thread and decided today I will start a independent thread about Scottie leadership.

Similar to DJ with ur hero....let me guess DJ was the real leader not Bird.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]this thread is about pippen's leadership via phil jackson, yet jordan fans are making it about....jordan.

you people need to get over the fact that jordan, while great, was 1-9 without the real leaders of the bulls, scottie and pjax(as a headcoach).

jordan played his role. was a great scorer and 1 on 1 player. one of the best in that regard. however, pippen's all-around expertise is truly one of a kind. you dont often find a guy who's not only the best playmaker on the floor, but the best defender too. pippen's intangibles are what TEAM basketball is all about. what WINNING is all about.[/QUOTE]
Mj was the best player on the Bulls. The **** you spurting?:lol

[QUOTE=juju151111]Mj was the best player on the Bulls. The **** you spurting?:lol[/QUOTE]
jordan was the best scorer on the team. no doubt.