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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLFqk2JZEhM[/url]
Probably one of the most forthcoming interviews I've ever watched involving a player on the trading block. Scottie just got right down to it. Seems we were pretty close to history working out a lot differently.
In b4 4000 word essay by Roundball Rock on why Pippen was really the leader of the Bulls.
That guy couldn't wait to get out of Chicago.
So, Jordan almost ended his career with 3 rings. He was damn lucky that Pippen didn't change team.
MJ crossing fingers during that interview.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7SbG-8Bvgk#t=169s[/url]
[QUOTE=fourkicks44][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7SbG-8Bvgk#t=169s[/url][/QUOTE]
Leadership ...
:facepalm
More like player friendly teammate.
[QUOTE=livinglegend]So, Jordan almost ended his career with 3 rings. He was damn lucky that Pippen didn't change team.[/QUOTE]
Still more rings than Lebron.
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Still more rings than Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Lebron isn't the GOAT so... :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Still more rings than Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Didn't know Lebron retired already...
Oh hey, a troll fest within minutes. Cool video, thanks.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Leadership ...
:facepalm
More like player friendly teammate.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: at this lame attempt to diminish Pippen's leadership (without any [U]evidence[/U] being presented--as usual. Any guesses as to why trolls can't produce any evidence of Pippen NOT being a key leader? :oldlol: ) because he was liked by his teammates. Most leaders are liked by their followers. :eek:
History sure would have been different if Pippen went to Phoenix or Seattle in 95'.
Didn't pip go home crying all the time and used Grant as his support buddy because of MJ?
Dat leadership that MJ made.
Without Pippen staying, Jordan might not have returned either. Or if he did, unlikely he wins another 3 rings. It's actually a pretty pivotal moment.
[QUOTE=LeBird]Without Pippen staying, Jordan might not have returned either. Or if he did, unlikely he wins another 3 rings. It's actually a pretty pivotal moment.[/QUOTE]
With a system in place (triangle), the Bulls just need a versatile defender that can feed MJ.
Augmon, Ed OBannon, Donny Marshall, or even get Spreewell.
Now I know what some are gonna say ":lol @ replacing an MVP candidate with Ed OBannon."
But remember..... MJ is back, so Pip's duties fall back to playing the wingman. Pip was basically out for half the season at one point. Have somebody that's a good defenders like Augmon, or versatile player like Obannon playing with MJ and they have a legit chance of winning it. That player's role would be to defend and give MJ the ball. Score when left open and facilitate when MJ is gone. Augmon would've fit right in playing with MJ. He was already his team's best defender and capable of dropping 30. Put any of those players with MJ and they automatically get easier offensive opportunities and become better defenders.
Pippen was always crying, pouting, and moaning. Damn.
[IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1482685/oakley-smacks-pippen-o.gif[/IMG]
Dat leadership from day 1 :bowdown:
thankfully chicago came to their senses. jordan would have never came back without pippen (the bulls would have no captain, creator, lead defender or offensive conductor)
i dont think they miss the playoffs with just jordan, but it would be like the 80s, where he was 1-9 without pippen.
Jordan probably would've come back anyway, he just would've signed elsewhere, like with the Knicks or (gulp) Lakers or something. Phil probably would've bounced too.
Scottie was on the "verge" of being traded every year or demanding a trade like every year from 1994 onwards, lol.
This wasn't anything rare in the 90s.
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Pippen was always crying, pouting, and moaning. Damn.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, there were points when management considered Grant and then Kukoc to be more of a priority than Pip. They had a knack for making him feel like he was expendable.
[QUOTE=Poetry]To be fair, there were points when management considered Grant and then Kukoc to be more of a priority than Pip. They had a knack for making him feel like he was expendable.[/QUOTE]
And perhaps he was :confusedshrug:
There was other small forwards that could've complimented MJ and taken over Pip's sidekick role.
Would they have won? who knows.
But put a small forward that was a good defender, and could handle the ball a bit and he may excel under the triangle next to MJ.
[QUOTE=Poetry]To be fair, there were points when management considered Grant and then Kukoc to be more of a priority than Pip. They had a knack for making him feel like he was expendable.[/QUOTE]
It is amazing that team won 6 rings despite the war between management (read: Krause) and the players. It is hilarious Krause thought Kukoc would be a superstar.
Krause was a moron.
He was lucky enough to draft the greatest player of all time because Portland had a brain fart.
Then he gambled on the Pippen pick and that paid off so that in time Jordan had a good no.2 to play with.
But really otherwise he was a moron GM who antagonized all his players and Phil.
Oakley for Cartwright IMO was a mistake, they should've kept Oakley, they would've been even better in time, Cartwright wasn't doing anything special by the time the Bulls started winning titles that most average 7 foot stiffs couldn't do.
I think he also passed on Danny Ainge just to spite MJ. Ainge was a good player.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Krause was a moron.
He was lucky enough to draft the greatest player of all time because Portland had a brain fart.
Then he gambled on the Pippen pick and that paid off so that in time Jordan had a good no.2 to play with. [/QUOTE]
Actually Krause didn't draft Jordan, Rod Thorn did. The Pippen trade was a huge risk (and was clowned a lot at the time) so Krause can take credit for that though.
[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Actually Krause didn't draft Jordan, Rod Thorn did. The Pippen trade was a huge risk (and was clowned a lot at the time) so Krause can take credit for that though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'll correct that, he was lucky enough to inherit the best player ever.
You should be expected to bring home multiple titles in that scenario.
Krause was good as a GM in the sense of assembling teams but bad in terms of managing players, contracts, egos, etc. Jackson used Krause as a foil to motivate the players.
Every player on those championship teams outside of MJ got there under Krause's watch. Krause was able to constantly re-tool the Bulls to keep them at the top--Pippen and Jordan were the only players to be on all the championship teams. The Cartwright-Oakley trade was because Grant made Oakley expendable and Cartwright gave them a center to defend Ewing and Daughtery. He drafted Kukoc at a time when it was not common to draft foreign players. He acquired Kerr when Kerr was the 12th man on Orlando the previous year. He pulled off the Rodman trade, remedying the Bulls' biggest weakness with the best possible player to fill it--and got Rodman for backup center Will Perdue.
Krause sucked at drafting after the Bulls kept getting high picks, though (he did pretty well with high picks, getting Pippen and Grant in the same year). Kukoc is the only low pick who produced. Krause also likely cost the Bulls a championship in 94' but failing to pull the trigger on the Hornacek trade, preferring to keep the Bulls' first round pick (which turned out to be Dickey Simpkins :facepalm ). Keep in mind the context in which that happened: New York's starting PG, Doc Rivers, had just went down and Chicago was in a close race with New York and Atlanta for the #1 seed. New York got Derek Harper to replace Rivers while the Bulls did nothing to fill their gaping hole at SG.
How good was Krause? 6 rings and perennial contention for a decade speaks for itself but he did benefit from inheriting Jordan and luck. He was badly exposed after Jordan, Jackson, Pippen left Chicago.
[QUOTE]Then he gambled on the Pippen pick and that paid off so that in time Jordan had a good no.2 to play with. [/QUOTE]
In effect they took Pippen with the 8th pick (Seattle picked Pippen at 5th on behalf of Chicago and Seattle got Polynice from the 8th pick). He was a player other teams wanted. If Krause did not engineer the Seattle trade Sacramento would have taken him at #6. Detroit was trying to trade up to get him too--imagine Pippen hitting his prime while Isiah declined (do the Pistons win in 91' and perhaps 92' as well?). Saying Pippen was a gamble is like saying Grant was at 10th or Stacey King was at 6th. A player picked where Pippen was is projected to be an all-star. He turned out to be a superstar (which is what Detroit projected him as). If he didn't pan out it wouldn't have been a big loss like with a #1 pick. There was no major risk they were taking. He had more upside than the players taken after him. In effect, Krause swung for the fences and succeeded.
Krause had one really good draft with Pippen + Grant ... thankfully really that's all he needed.
His other draft picks stank up the joint.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Krause had one really good draft with Pippen + Grant ... thankfully really that's all he needed.
His other draft picks stank up the joint.[/QUOTE]
Well I will give him credit for Kukoc and Armstrong too, who were key contributors on multiple championship teams (although Kukoc was a free roll as a late 2nd round pick--who cared if he sucked). :roll: at taking King at #6 and Perdue at #11, though. After the Bulls stopped having high picks he could not draft even a legitimate rotation player. Corie Blount, Dickey Simpkins, Jason Coffey, etc.? :facepalm The Bulls' bench rotation consisted of players from elsewhere like Kukoc, Kerr, Wennington.
[QUOTE=andgar923]And perhaps he was :confusedshrug:
There was other small forwards that could've complimented MJ and taken over Pip's sidekick role.
Would they have won? who knows.
But put a small forward that was a good defender, and could handle the ball a bit and he may excel under the triangle next to MJ.[/QUOTE]
They definitely could have retooled around MJ. I don't doubt that.
But Pip should never have been making less than Kukoc.
Come to think of it, I think Kukoc was even making more than MJ had made in years prior.
[QUOTE=livinglegend]So, Jordan almost ended his career with 3 rings. He was damn lucky that Pippen didn't change team.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dragic4Life]MJ crossing fingers during that interview.[/QUOTE]
Dragic talking to himself again? :oldlol:
[QUOTE]They definitely could have retooled around MJ. I don't doubt that. [/QUOTE]
MJ fans do; MJ himself was adamantly and consistently opposed to the concept of trading Pippen.
[QUOTE]But put a small forward that was a good defender, and could handle the ball a bit and he may excel under the triangle next to MJ.[/QUOTE]
Such as? Who from that period fits that description (great defender, point forward, who could also score)? Furthermore, who fits that description that the Bulls could have acquired? Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Actually Krause didn't draft Jordan, Rod Thorn did. The Pippen trade was a huge risk (and was clowned a lot at the time) so Krause can take credit for that though.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? The NBA scouts and GMs knew who Pippen was. Bill Russell tried hard to move up to get him.
[QUOTE=fourkicks44][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7SbG-8Bvgk#t=169s[/url][/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ugxfIYANA"]Dat Leadership, GOAT Teammate[/URL] :bowdown:
This is a stupid thread. Or has evolved into that thnx to Swish and his Pippen haters.
The fact is all the Bulls were disrespected. Horace Grant left on bad terms, so did Scott Williams, Phil Jackson and then eventually Jordan. Theres a saying that goes something like "if everyone has a problem with you, then its you're the problem."
And Pippen was disrespected. The man literally broke his back playing for the Bulls. He didn't strat demanding to be traded until he found out Krause was trying to trade him and didnt want to negotiate a new contract with him.
[QUOTE=DonDadda59][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ugxfIYANA"]Dat Leadership, GOAT Teammate[/URL] :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Pip cant catch a break with you guys. Werent you one of the ones questioning Pips leadership ability because he wasnt an ahole to bis teammates like Jordan?
What do you think Jordan would've done had he been in Pippens position?
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Pip cant catch a break with you guys. Werent you one of the ones questioning Pips leadership ability because he wasnt an ahole to bis teammates like Jordan? [/QUOTE]
You have me confused with someone else, Smith.
[QUOTE]What do you think Jordan would've done had he been in Pippens position?[/QUOTE]
Obviously the same thing Pippen did- publicly shit on his teammate and then demand to be traded after just a year. Dat Leadership :bowdown:
no one could stand playing with MJ. guy is a certified psychopath, that glare he gave his own sons during his HOF speech. that's all you need to know about MJ.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This is a stupid thread. Or has evolved into that thnx to Swish and his Pippen haters.
[/QUOTE]
Has there ever been a Pippen thread where this does not happen due to MJ stans/Pippen haters (largely one and the same :oldlol: )?
I am still waiting to see which 90's SF could have replaced Pippen. Anthony Mason? :roll:
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]MJ fans do; MJ himself was adamantly and consistently opposed to the concept of trading Pippen.
Such as? Who from that period fits that description (great defender, point forward, who could also score)? Furthermore, who fits that description that the Bulls could have acquired? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
There was at least a dozen players that could fill that void. Perhaps they weren't great in their role at that moment. But add them next to MJ and they become better immediately.
Pippen wasn't an anomaly or super special you know.
You could transplant him with Ariza and he may have similar results. That is if Ariza is wiling to become MJ's bitch like Pip did. Naturally, some players won't like to be sent home crying and will probably quit, so I'll give Pippen that much credit. Perhaps a player like Steve Smith won't be willing to deal with MJ and he leaves. But who knows.
[QUOTE]There was at least a dozen players that could fill that void. [/QUOTE]
Name them...
[QUOTE]You could transplant him with Ariza and he may have similar results. [/QUOTE]
[I]This[/I], ladies and gentleman, is why they are called mythologists. So MJ was going to win numerous rings with Trevor Ariza (not a 90's player). GOAT gonna GOAT!!!! :bowdown:
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Where was MJ when Orlando Woolridge was putting up 23 ppg at the SF position?