Top 5 Reasons for Jordan Over Lebron

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[b][b][b]Top 7 Reasons for Jordan Over Lebron[/b][/b][/b]:


[b]1)[/b] [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10456245&postcount=25][u]Jordan's stats are the best and they say he carried the largest offensive load ever[/u][/url]


[b]2)[/b] [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10454414&postcount=101][u]Jordan played better competition[/u][/url]


[b]3)[/b] [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10454505&postcount=104][u]Jordan played in eras that barely used the 3-point shot - all two-pointers is a tougher brand of basketball[/u][/url]


[b]4)[/b] [url=http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40451964#p40451964][u]Better hops off a vertical so he scored better in traffic[/u][/url]


[b]5)[/b] [url=http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40452998#p40452998][u]Not just quick for his size, but true guard quickness for greater mismatches vs. bigger defenders[/u][/url]


[b]6)[/b] Goat scoring ability allowed MJ to take on the largest load and attract maximum defensive attention to free up teammates, while Lebron [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441295&postcount=236][u]undertook too small a load in the 2014 Finals[/u][/url].


[b]7)[/b] Not only could Jordan take on the aforementioned maximum offensive load to attract maximum defensive attention and free up teammates, but his [url=http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40476428#p40476428][u]superior scoring versatility (including off-ball skill)[/u][/url] allowed him to take on that maximum load while scoring in whatever capacity allowed star teammates to play to their strengths (i.e. with Jordan off-ball, Pippen was free to be the more ball-dominant point-forward).


:pimp: The factors above enabled Jordan to control his own destiny better - [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422919&postcount=9][u]translation: 6 for 6[/u][/url]:



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Jordan vs Lebron isnt an arguement

2/5 vs 6/6

you dont need to explain yourself
even Lebron stans like Dragic4life knows Jordan is better

Footwork

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you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.

[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]

Repped

[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

stop posting.

[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]

riseaganist and bigboss for ish mvps for lebron stans slayings. :roll:

OP do u actually post on that other website or not? Because this is copied from there. And I've seen u post this and similar things a dozen times. It's people like you that harp on this comparison that make it worse, anyone that has watched both players or atleast has some logic knows MJ is and will always be the better player. STOP THIS SHIT!!!

Look, alt, we don't need your recycled garbage from other boards...

MJ >>> LeBron, now f[COLOR="Black"]uck[/COLOR] off

[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]:oldlol:

How many times are you going to post this?

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[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]

:lol :lol :lol

i don't understand why the OBVIOUS has to be consistently posted here...we all know no one is catching MJ, it's a rare feat.

Lebron can peak as high as #2, but will probably finish #4-8...can we just dead this rhetoric already? :facepalm :rolleyes: :confusedshrug:

nevertheless, since when has being 2nd best to only MJ been labeled such a bad thing...well, then again, losing in the Finals as opposed to not making the playoff's seems to be so much more detrimental to a player on ISH :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=r15mohd]i don't understand why the OBVIOUS has to be consistently posted here...we all know no one is catching MJ, it's a rare feat.

Lebron can peak as high as #2, but will probably finish #4-8...can we just dead this rhetoric already? :facepalm :rolleyes: :confusedshrug:

nevertheless, since when has being [B][SIZE="4"]2nd best to only MJ [/SIZE][/B]been labeled such a bad thing...well, then again, losing in the Finals as opposed to not making the playoff's seems to be so much more detrimental to a player on ISH :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

i see what you did there.

6. Didn't ring chase in his prime... twice.

[QUOTE=riseagainst]you only need 2/5 of those reasons to realize that MJ is better than lebron.[/QUOTE]

:lol

[url]http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/343567-8-reasons-lebron-james-is-better-than-michael-jordan/[/url]

here's a great article dispelling the nonsense in the OP with [B]8 reasons[/B] why lebron is a better all around player than jordan

[B]1. Defensive Versatility[/B]

Jordan used his speed and athleticism to shut down opposing perimeter players and generate turnovers. But James is just as athletic and he is capable of dominating almost any opposing player from point guards to power forwards. He is even capable of playing against some centers on defense.

To illustrate the difference between Jordan and James, let’s imagine the 2013 Heat playing against the Bulls in Jordan’s heyday.

The Heat might use 3 or 4 different players to defend Jordan in order to save James’s energy. But you can bet James would defend Jordan the best and guard him during the crucial phases of the game.

The Bulls would not have Jordan guarding James because of James’s ability to overpower him close the basket.


[B]2. Versatility Allows Coach to Dictate Match-ups[/B]

Since James can play point guard on offense and center on defense, his coach can exploit any number of mismatches, rest anyone he wants, and dictate the personnel the other team has to have on the floor.

This versatility is hard to understate, and it is the real reason James should have been the defensive player of the year for several years.

[B]3. Destroying the Point of Attack
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James may be at his best against opposing point guards, whom he seems to swallow up with his ridiculous size and speed.

Point guard is often the hardest position for anyone to guard because of the way most teams throw screen after screen at the opposing defender. James often just cuts off the screener and the ball handler at once, as he did to Tony Parker in the 2013 finals and 2011 MVP Derrick Rose in the conference finals, effectively grinding these teams’ entire offense to a halt.

[B]4. Foul Rate[/B]

Sending an opposing player to the free throw line is the easiest way to give the other team easy points, as most players shoot their highest percentage from there. Michael Jordan committed a foul an average of once every 14.7 minutes he was on the court. James commits a foul once every 21.1 minutes he is on the court, giving the opposing team fewer easy opportunities.

[B]5. James Is a Better Three-Point Shooter[/B]

James’s three-point field goal percentage is only 1 percent higher than Jordan’s, but James takes an average of three times as many shots from behind the arc than Jordan did.

James’s three-point percentage has gone up for the last three consecutive years, reaching over 40 percent last year. That is considered an elite level that forces other teams to send a player out at James and opens up opportunities closer to the basket for his team-mates.

[B]6. James Is a Better Passer[/B]

James has averaged 6.9 assists per game for his career, while Jordan averaged 5.3 assists per game. The fact that James is probably a better passer, and certainly a more willing passer; also highlights how James is better able to involve his teammates in the game and move the ball around to find the best shot.

This also demonstrates that…

[B]7. James Is a better Teammate[/B]

Jordan was said to use intimidation to instill fear in his teammates to try and get the best out of them.

James is known to use encouragement and shows his trust in his teammates by passing them the ball throughout the game in order to instill confidence in them.

In a revealing interview with ESPN sports analyst Chris Brussard this past off-season, James said, “I love seeing the success of my teammates more than anything.” He said he wants his team to feel like a family.

Jordan is famously quoted: “There is no ‘I’ in ‘team,’ but there is in ‘win.’”

Who would you rather work with?

[B]8. James Is a Better Rebounder[/B]

Jordan averaged 6.2 rebounds per game in his career, while Lebron is averaging 7.3 so far. With James’s superior size, it’s easy to see why he is a better rebounder.

In Closing

The people who see James as a better player often think of him as a bigger and stronger version of Jordan.

I think it is more complicated than that. Jordan was a superior mid-range player and scorer, whose inexhaustible drive to win made him better and better when the stakes were high.

James is a more versatile player and has a more devastating physical presence. However, he has been more susceptible to feeling pressure and failing to come through in big moments. I can’t wait to see what else he is able to accomplish. Whether you think Jordan is better or James is better, joining the debate is equally fun. It is too bad we cannot see them play against each other and we can only imagine it.

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This post ^^^^^^^^^ is pretty elementary-thinking.

[B]Lebron is a less versatile scorer, which hurts his ability to fit in with teammates[/B] - so for example, he can't accomodate Wade by playing [I]exclusively[/I] off-ball, because his numbers and production will dip... whereas with Jordan, the coach could put him anywhere on the floor and know that Jordan's production would not drop off - this is because Jordan had goat-level scoring ability in EVERY aspect of scoring, hence him being the more versatile scorer that fit better with ANY kind of teammate.

[B]Lebron's Assist Advantage is Negligible, Especially Given How Much Less He Scores[/B] - He averages 0.6 more assists per 36 minutes than Jordan in the playoffs (5.6 to 5.0) - this is a small amount and you would expect Lebron to have some advantage in this category given HOW MUCH LESS HE SCORES - it is remarkable that Jordan is neck and neck with Lebron passing-wise, WHILE scoring so much more... Jordan scores 25% more per 36 minutes in the playoffs, while generating almost the same number of assists... Of course, when it matters most, Jordan passes better than Lebron ever has - 1991 Finals when MJ averaged 11 assists to go with 33ppg.

[B]Lebron Rarely Guards PF's, Let Alone the Decent Ones[/B] - The media lauds Lebron for guarding PF's, but he only gets occasional spot-duty for a few possessions, and only on bad PF's that are not a threat - the one time Spo put Lebron on a decent PF, he got destroyed and the Heat had to change up the game plan (David West in Game 1 of 2014 ECF)... and it was a rarity for Lebron to guard a real PF like David West... he never guards Dirk or Duncan or Zach Randolph for example... ever... so it has become unbelievably overblown that Lebron guards PF's, because he really doesn't - let me know the next time he guards Dirk or Duncan.. i'll be waiting.

[B]Before 2012, Lebron shot 32% from three-point land, just like Jordan[/B] - so for the first 9 years of his career, he was no better than Jordan... Lebron only recently caught on to the 3-point shooting craze and improved his shooting starting in 2012, so his improvement was a function of the era we are in... Jordan would ALSO have done this - one year he experimented shooting the 3 in 1990 - he shot 37.5% on three attempts per game.

[B]Jordan Had to Shut Down PG's as a Standard[/B] - People laud Lebron for shutting down Derrick Rose in a series - people only took note of that because Lebron doesn't play PG or SG... but that would have been standard for Jordan - he was a SG and had to guard PG's all the time.

[B]Lebron is not a better teammate[/B] - Unlike Lebron, Jordan's teammates always played great alongside him - the story was never about Jordan's teammates underperformance as it frequently is with Lebron... and as previously mentioned, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's scoring versatility, so he can't fit in with teammates as well (such as play primarily off-ball so Wade can be more comfortable the way point-forward Pippen was)... also, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's leadership qualities where he will be hard on teammates and force them to play up to his level like Jordan did.

[QUOTE=3ball]This post is elementary-thinking compared to the op.

Lebron is a less versatile scorer, which hurts his ability to fit in with teammates - so for example, he can't accomodate Wade by playing exclusively off-ball, because his numbers and production will dip... whereas with Jordan, the coach could put him anywhere on the floor and know that Jordan's production would not drop off - this is because Jordan had goat-level scoring ability in EVERY aspect of scoring, hence him being the more versatile scorer that fit better with ANY kind of teammate.

Lebron averages 0.6 more assists per 36 minutes than Jordan in the playoffs (5.6 to 5.0) - this is a small amount and you would expect Lebron to have some advantage in this category given HOW MUCH LESS HE SCORES - the fact that Jordan is neck and neck with Lebron passing-wise, WHILE scoring so much more is remarkable... Jordan scores 25% more per 36 minutes in the playoffs, while generating almost the same number of assists... Of course, when it matters most, Jordan passes better than Lebron ever has - 1991 Finals when MJ averaged 11 assists to go with 33ppg).

The media lauds Lebron for guarding PF's, but he only gets occasional spot-duty for a few possessions, and only on bad PF's that are not a threat - the one time Spo put Lebron on a decent PF, he got destroyed and the Heat had to change up the game plan (David West in Game 1 of 2014 ECF)... and it was a rarity for Lebron to guard a real PF like David West... he never guards Dirk or Duncan or Zach Randolph for example... ever... so it has become unbelievably overblown that Lebron guards PF's, because he really doesn't - let me know the next time he guards Dirk or Duncan.. i'll be waiting.

Before 2012, Lebron shot 32% from three-point land, just like Jordan - so for the first 9 years of his career, he was no better than Jordan... Lebron only recently caught on to the 3-point shooting craze and only improved his shooting starting in 2012, so his improvement was a function of the era we are in... Jordan would ALSO have done this - one year he experimented shooting the 3 in 1990 - he shot 37.5% on three attempts per game.

People laud Lebron for shutting down Derrick Rose in a series - people only took note of that because Lebron is bigger... but that would have been standard for Jordan - he was a SG and had to guard PG's all the time.

Finally, Lebron is not a better teammate - as previously mentioned, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's scoring versatility, so he can't fit in with teammates as well (such as play primarily off-ball so Wade can be more comfortable the way point-forward Pippen was)... also, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's leadership qualities where he will be hard on teammates and force them to play up to his level like Jordan did - which brings up another point - Jordan's teammates always performed great alongside him - their underperformance was never the story like it frequently is with Lebron.[/QUOTE]

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How is this guy making threads when he doesn't even have 100 posts yet? :biggums:
Something tells me this guy is one of Jeff's gimmick accounts. :lol

[QUOTE=3ball]This post ^^^^^^^^^ is pretty elementary-thinking.

[B]Lebron is a less versatile scorer, which hurts his ability to fit in with teammates[/B] - so for example, he can't accomodate Wade by playing [I]exclusively[/I] off-ball, because his numbers and production will dip... whereas with Jordan, the coach could put him anywhere on the floor and know that Jordan's production would not drop off - this is because Jordan had goat-level scoring ability in EVERY aspect of scoring, hence him being the more versatile scorer that fit better with ANY kind of teammate.

[B]Lebron's Assist Advantage is Negligible, Especially Given How Much Less He Scores[/B] - He averages 0.6 more assists per 36 minutes than Jordan in the playoffs (5.6 to 5.0) - this is a small amount and you would expect Lebron to have some advantage in this category given HOW MUCH LESS HE SCORES - the fact that Jordan is neck and neck with Lebron passing-wise, WHILE scoring so much more is remarkable... Jordan scores 25% more per 36 minutes in the playoffs, while generating almost the same number of assists... Of course, when it matters most, Jordan passes better than Lebron ever has - 1991 Finals when MJ averaged 11 assists to go with 33ppg).

[B]Lebron Rarely Guards PF's, Let Alone the Decent Ones[/B] - The media lauds Lebron for guarding PF's, but he only gets occasional spot-duty for a few possessions, and only on bad PF's that are not a threat - the one time Spo put Lebron on a decent PF, he got destroyed and the Heat had to change up the game plan (David West in Game 1 of 2014 ECF)... and it was a rarity for Lebron to guard a real PF like David West... he never guards Dirk or Duncan or Zach Randolph for example... ever... so it has become unbelievably overblown that Lebron guards PF's, because he really doesn't - let me know the next time he guards Dirk or Duncan.. i'll be waiting.

[B]Before 2012, Lebron shot 32% from three-point land, just like Jordan[/B] - so for the first 9 years of his career, he was no better than Jordan... Lebron only recently caught on to the 3-point shooting craze and only improved his shooting starting in 2012, so his improvement was a function of the era we are in... Jordan would ALSO have done this - one year he experimented shooting the 3 in 1990 - he shot 37.5% on three attempts per game.

[B]Jordan Had to Shut Down PG's as a Standard[/B] - People laud Lebron for shutting down Derrick Rose in a series - people only took note of that because Lebron is bigger... but that would have been standard for Jordan - he was a SG and had to guard PG's all the time.

[B]Lebron is not a better teammate[/B] - Unlike Lebron, Jordan's teammates always played great alongside him - the story was never about Jordan's teammates underperformance as it frequently is with Lebron... and as previously mentioned, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's scoring versatility, so he can't fit in with teammates as well (such as play primarily off-ball so Wade can be more comfortable the way point-forward Pippen was)... also, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's leadership qualities where he will be hard on teammates and force them to play up to his level like Jordan did.[/QUOTE]
you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?

[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?[/QUOTE]

Who did MJ have during his first 3peat?

AND another piece, detailing specifically why lebron > jordan :applause:
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632752-why-lebron-james-will-be-better-than-michael-jordan-when-all-is-said-and-done[/url]

LeBron James will eventually surpass Michael Jordan as the best NBA player ever.

Two years ago, after the Miami Heat failed to beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, the argument that the “Chosen One” was better than the greatest of all time was inconceivable.

Now that the 2012-13 Miami Heat have had one of the best regular seasons in league history, the debate has come back from the grave, but this time, with some credibility.

James won his fourth league MVP award this past week and received 18 first-place votes for the Defensive Player of the Year and had many believing he should have won that award instead.
[*]With the season LBJ has had, many think that he has the ability to take over the No. 1 spot as the greatest basketball player to ever walk this earth.
[*]In life, like records and rules are meant to be broken, rankings are subject to change. Just because something is labeled the greatest of all time doesn’t mean it will last at the top spot forever. Something better eventually comes along and takes over.
[*]That’s what LeBron is in the middle of doing.
[*]He dominates the opposition to a degree we haven’t seen since Jordan in the mid-90s. He’s a scoring machine who is also a walking triple-double.

If James continues his dominance in the NBA, Jordan's status at No. 1 could fall.
[*]While he’s certainly this generation’s version of MJ, LeBron is far from becoming the great one himself. Jordan was too good for too long, and this is only LeBron’s 10th year in the league.

However, that doesn’t mean overtaking Jordan can’t be done.
[*]So what does LeBron need to do to pass Jordan? It’s simple. OK, maybe not simple in the minds of you and me, but for LeBron, it is certainly achievable. And with how he has improved these past few seasons, it’s extremely possible.
[*]While James is far from Jordan in terms of legacy, the numbers don’t lie. He is every single bit the player Jordan was if we look at the stats. The biggest hindrance to the discussion is that James doesn’t have the titles Jordan had at this point in both of their respected careers.
[*]Let’s first take a look at overall career stats.

Jordan: 30.1 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.3 APG, 50 percent shooting, 33 percent three-point shooting, six championships, five MVPs, 10 scoring titles

LeBron: 27.6 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.9 APG, 49 percent shooting, 33 percent three-point shooting, one championship, three MVPs, zero scoring titles

Right now, LeBron is close to MJ when it comes to per-game stats. But when it comes to titles and sustained excellence, it’s all Jordan.

For James to pass MJ, he has to keep up the dominance we have been accustomed to seeing for the next five years, all while winning at least four more championships in the process.
[*]That means he has to continue to be the best NBA player into his mid-30s.

In five years, James will be 33 and in his 15th NBA season. To be able to continue putting up the numbers he has for such a long period of time can be difficult to even the greatest of players.
[*]Jordan was able to keep his numbers steady for the duration of his career with the Bulls, even after coming back from a year-and-a-half hiatus because of his baseball stint (per Baseball-Reference.com) after the 1993 season.
[*]LeBron has shown he has been able to increase his level of play each season he has been in the league. He has shown this season that he is nowhere near the end of his prime. Actually, he’s getting better. If anybody can keep up 27-7-7 averages for the next five seasons, it’s LeBron James.
[*]The biggest advantage to LeBron’s career is also his biggest disadvantage: coming into the NBA fresh out of high school.

Jordan dominated the college level for a couple years at the University of North Carolina. He was able to mature his game and use college as a stepping stone to the pros. When he was drafted, Jordan was ready for the NBA, and his stats prove it.
[*]James, on the other hand, chose to skip college and immediately join the professional ranks.

He didn’t have the preparation Jordan had, which takes away from his early career statistics.

Take a look at both players’ numbers through their first 10 years:

Jordan: 32.3 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 5.9 APG, 51 percent shooting, 30 percent three-point shooting, three championships, three MVPs, seven scoring titles

LeBron: 27.6 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.9 APG, 49 percent shooting, 33 percent three-point shooting, one championship, three MVPs, zero scoring titles

But if James needs to continue putting up numbers for the next few years, then coming into the league at age 18 was the best decision he ever made. It allows James to remain in his prime longer. Although he is in his tenth year as a pro, James remains full of youth and doesn’t show signs of slowing down.
[*]While Jordan was and forever will be a more dangerous scorer, LeBron is something we have never seen before.

James doesn’t have a position. Offensively he handles the ball, hits threes, drives to the basket and can post up all while being the team’s main distributor. On defense he can guard anyone from a healthy Derrick Rose to a super-scorer in Kevin Durant.
[*]While LeBron can’t score like Jordan, he can do everything else at a better rate. In 2012-2013 he has become a better rebounder, better passer and more efficient player than Jordan ever was.

James is already having one of the best years in NBA history, but he’ll only pass Jordan if he continues on that same pace for the next few years.

Not only that, but LeBron has to hold off Kevin Durant in that time span, someone who has been knocking on the door to take away LeBron’s top spot.
[*]To some, it might be impossible, but at the level James is playing at right now, the task may be easier than one might think.

So I’m going to come right out and say it: LeBron James will eventually surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest player in NBA history.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]AND another piece, detailing specifically why lebron > jordan :applause:
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632752-why-lebron-james-will-be-better-than-michael-jordan-when-all-is-said-and-done[/url]

LeBron James will eventually surpass Michael Jordan as the best NBA player ever.

Two years ago, after the Miami Heat failed to beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, the argument that the

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]AND another piece, detailing specifically why lebron > jordan :applause:
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632752-why-lebron-james-will-be-better-than-michael-jordan-when-all-is-said-and-done[/url]

LeBron James will eventually surpass Michael Jordan as the best NBA player ever.

Two years ago, after the Miami Heat failed to beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, the argument that the

[QUOTE=3ball]This post ^^^^^^^^^ is pretty elementary-thinking.

[B]Lebron is a less versatile scorer, which hurts his ability to fit in with teammates[/B] - so for example, he can't accomodate Wade by playing [I]exclusively[/I] off-ball, because his numbers and production will dip... whereas with Jordan, the coach could put him anywhere on the floor and know that Jordan's production would not drop off - this is because Jordan had goat-level scoring ability in EVERY aspect of scoring, hence him being the more versatile scorer that fit better with ANY kind of teammate.

[B]Lebron is not a better teammate[/B] - Unlike Lebron, Jordan's teammates always played great alongside him - the story was never about Jordan's teammates underperformance as it frequently is with Lebron... and as previously mentioned, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's scoring versatility, so he can't fit in with teammates as well (such as play primarily off-ball so Wade can be more comfortable the way point-forward Pippen was)... also, Lebron doesn't have Jordan's leadership qualities where he will be hard on teammates and force them to play up to his level like Jordan did.[/QUOTE]

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Poor Wade. Betrayed and diminished by a monster. :( :( :(

[QUOTE=mehyaM24]AND another piece, detailing specifically why lebron > jordan :applause:
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632752-why-lebron-james-will-be-better-than-michael-jordan-when-all-is-said-and-done[/url]

[LIST=1][*]LeBron James will eventually surpass Michael Jordan as the best NBA player ever.
[*]Two years ago, after the Miami Heat failed to beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, the argument that the

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Poor Wade. Betrayed and diminished by a monster. :( :( :([/QUOTE]

dam... it saddens me to see Wade like this. He was robbed and then betrayed by who he thought was a loyal friend.

:(

Better player.

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Better actor.

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Better underwear salesman.

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Better facial hair.

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Better post-championship celebration.

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[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?[/QUOTE]
This is the common response from Lebron fans who marvel at Jordan's 6 for 6 and figure it must have been due to great teammates.

But the facts are that Jordan carried the largest load EVER in the playoffs, as measured by scoring output, shot attempts, and usage.

In order to win his rings, Jordan had to score way more, take far more shots, and have a much higher usage than Lebron, or anyone in history.

You are just marveling at the 6 for 6 and thinking that his teammates must have been awesome... they weren't good enough to prevent Jordan from having to carry the largest load in history - (scoring output, shot attempts, usage).

[QUOTE=JT123]Jordan stans getting ethered left and right! :applause:[/QUOTE]
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article was too long, so i had to cut it up in sections. suffice to say, everything in there speaks volumes. lebron is just a more versatile better player, as his numbers suggest.

another article detailing specific reasons why lebron, when its all said and done, will be greater.

*On Monday night, in game four of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals, LeBron James broke Michael Jordan's playoff record for most games with at least 25 points, five rebounds, and five assists. It was another milestone for the Miami Heat superstar. As the Heat get ready to try to close out the series in Indiana tonight, it's time to admit that James has now taken Jordan's place as the greatest of all time. But you will never hear the former-players-turned-commentators admit it.

Guys like Steve Kerr (who recently left TV to coach Golden State), Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, and Shaquille O'Neal will never give LeBron the crown. Former coaches can see greatness right off the bat. It's something you can't teach. Ex-players have a tendency of hating on the new stars who take their place. Sure, Barkley and friends will always have praise for LeBron, but they will never say he is the GOAT. They all played in the Jordan era and are endorsed by Michael. They wouldn't say anything to make him mad.

Like Jordan, LeBron quickly realized he wouldn't win championships with teammates who couldn't knock down shots when he passed them the ball. That's why he's in Miami and won't return to Cleveland. LeBron has surpassed Jordan in every facet of the game, though. Jordan had to learn to pass the ball, but finding the open man is part of LeBron's instinct since he was winning championships at the high school level. Every dunk Jordan did, LeBron can do better. He can cover five positions on the court, even center. Jordan couldn't do that.

It's been 11 years since Jordan played a game. Every new NBA fan since then doesn't know anything about Jordan except his old highlights on YouTube. They are tuning in to watch LeBron rule the NBA.

Off the court, LeBron is a better teammate than Jordan was. Michael would never have visited a teammate having a poor series to cheer him up like LeBron (along with Dwyane Wade) did with Chris Bosh. Jordan was always flying out to the casinos or wherever he hung out on his own. When the Chicago Bulls came down to play Miami during the Jordan era, all the players would come to my nightclub. The only one who didn't show up was Michael.

However, you will not see any commentators who played at the same time as Jordan say LeBron is the best ever. Jordan never faced the criticism and opinions of ex-players like LeBron has either. Jordan never had to worry about someone like Barkley saying Wilt Chamberlain was the best because he's the only player to score 100 points in one game. Hell, Barkley is the biggest hypocrite. He says LeBron should go back to Cleveland, yet Barkley bounced around teams like a groupie chasing a ring throughout his career.

It's time these hall-of-fame pundits acknowledge LeBron's place in history.

very well written :applause:

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would've done more, is wrong - [i]21 out of the last 24 did more[/i].

The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - [I]because it WAS feasible[/I] - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.

The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.

The strengths of each team's offense affects the game's momentum (confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc.)... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.

A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.

So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.

But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense)), Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.

This is like saying 2pac over lil wayne:lol

[QUOTE=russwest0]6. Didn't ring chase in his prime... twice.[/QUOTE]

^^^^ this is so huge - what human being doesn't want a do-over 7 years into their career where they get to pick their new organization and all-star supporting cast?... and then get to do it again!!!!


Regarding the 2014 Finals, people forget that Miami's offense was the worst of any Spurs opponent and their bad offense hurt them just as much as their defense.


That is part of the reason Dallas, OKC and Portland all did better than the Heat - they all had better offenses that didn't fuel Spurs momentum by leaving Spurs buckets unanswered - their better offenses could answer Spurs buckets to prevent Spurs momentum from boiling over, which made it easier for them defensively... Otoh, Miami had the worst offense, so their offense left the Spurs buckets unanswered, which fueled Spurs momentum and made it harder for Miami defensively - a bad offense that can't curb opponent momentum and makes it harder for your defense = blowout.


Given that the Heat needed better offense to stay with the Spurs, you have to look to Lebron to see how much he can carry - and when 21 out of the last 24 years, the team leader in shot attempts from the Finals winning-team took a higher proportion of his team's shots than Lebron took in 2014, it is fair to say that he didn't carry a big enough load.


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[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]you do realize jordan had a MUCH better supporting cast right?[/QUOTE]

Jordan is one of the few players to have won a title + Finals MVP without an all-star teammate.

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]Jordan is one of the few players to have won a title + Finals MVP without an all-star teammate.[/QUOTE]


This is a a troll thread, but Pippen should have been an all star in 1991.

OP, tell us something we didn't already know...