Dunking Data For 1988-1993: MJ is the Goat In-Game Dunker for Wing Players

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[SIZE="4"][B][U]Comparing Jordan's Dunking Data to Contemporaries[/U][/B]
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[size="2"][COLOR="Blue"][I]We've found 80's and 90's dunk stats from the old Philadelphia 76'er Media Guides (links at bottom of post)[/I] - they show that for the 6 seasons between 1988 and 1993, Jordan had 746 dunks, or an average of about 130 dunks per season.. His high was 158 (1988), and his low was 95 (1993).

By comparison, [B]Kobe averaged 65 dunks per season in his prime (2002-2009), which was half of Jordan's totals[/B]... [B]Westbrook only gets about 50 dunks per season, or barely 1/3 of Jordan's[/B].. Tracy McGrady averaged 75 dunks from 2001 to 2005 (his athletic prime and highest volume period)... Vince Carter (in his prime) and Paul George only get about 50 dunks per season.

[B]Before anyone says it was easier to dunk in MJ's era, resulting in more dunks - this is statistically false[/B] - dunk frequency (shots attempts per dunk) has fluctuated over the years from 1 dunk every 28 shots in 1988 (harder to dunk), to 1 dunk in 20 shots in 1998 (easier to dunk), back down to 1 dunk in 26 shots in 2000 (harder to dunk), back down to 1 dunk in 21 shots in 2013 (easier to dunk):[/COLOR]

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[B]Year[/B]..... [B]Shots[/B]..... [B]Dunks[/B]....[B]Shots Per Dunk[/B]

1988..... 165,439..... 5,727..... 28.89 <------ harder to dunk
1989..... 182,375..... 6,475..... 28.17
1990..... 192,942..... 7,011..... 27.52
1991..... 193,050..... 7,241..... 26.66
1992..... 193,401..... 8,122..... 23.81
1993..... 190,296..... 8,252..... 23.06
1994..... 186,948..... 8,515..... 21.96
1995..... 180,414..... 8,645..... 20.87
1996..... 190,675..... 8,468..... 22.52
1997..... 188,587..... 8,460..... 22.29
1998..... 189,544..... 9,318..... 20.34 <------ easier to dunk
1999..... 113,390..... 4,681..... 24.22
2000..... 195,228..... 8,325..... 23.45
2001..... 191,661..... 7,319..... 26.19 <------ harder to dunk
2002..... 193,256..... 8,439..... 22.90
2003..... 192,096..... 8,265..... 23.24
2004..... 189,805..... 8,120..... 23.38
2005..... 197,640..... 9,150..... 21.60
2006..... 194,310..... 8,640..... 22.49
2007..... 196,080..... 8,310..... 23.60
2008..... 200,490..... 9,270..... 21.63
2009..... 199,050..... 9,360..... 21.27
2010..... 201,000..... 8,790..... 22.87
2011......199,800..... 8,910..... 22.42
2012..... 161,220..... 7,320..... 22.02
2013..... 201,600..... 9,540..... 21.13
2014..... 204,180..... 9,030..... 22.61 <------ easier to dunk
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Jordan's dunk totals dwarf every single wing player from this era except Wade, Lebron, and Durant... These are the only players that routinely amass over 100 dunks per year, although none of them have as many dunks over a 6-year period as Jordan - the high for any of these three players is 144, by Lebron this year.... Jordan has a season of 153 dunks and another with 158 dunks, and we don't have data for his biggest dunking year - 1987 when he averaged 37.1ppg on 27 shot attempts (still had 59%TS).


[SIZE="4"][B]SG's and SF's with 1 or more seasons of 100+ Dunks[/B]
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[U]1988 - 1996[/U][COLOR="White"]......................[/COLOR][U]2001 - 2014[/U]

Michael Jordan.................. Kevin Durant
Dominique Wilkins............. Lebron James
Clyde Drexler.................... Dwayne Wade
Scottie Pippen................... Carmelo Anthony
Penny Hardaway................ Kobe Bryant
Grant Hill.......................... Tracy McGrady
Ron Harper ...................... Andre Iguodala
Richard Dumas.................. Rudy Gay
Stacy Augmon................... Shawn Marion
Michael Finley.................... Richard Jefferson
Jerry Stackhouse
Cedric Ceballos
Derrick McKey (All-NBA Defender)
Roy Hinson
Chris Morris



[B][U]Looking at the Dunking Environment Across Eras[/U][/B]

Of course, different eras use different rules and styles of play which affect how easy it is to get a dunk - this will sound crazy, but [I]Lebron dunked over defenders in a chest-to-chest scenario (posters) only 3 times the entire 2014 season - every other time the spacing and defensive 3 seconds prevented defenders from getting to the spot in time[/I]... and most of Lebron's dunks were completely wide open, not even a reach-in or fly-by - the 3-point shooting and floor-spacing creates too much ground and extra space for the defense to cover....

confirm for yourself... here are every single one of Lebron's dunks for the 2014 season - [I]only 3 posters[/I]: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNe550OrZM[/url]


After you've watched Lebron's dunks, compare that to Jordan's dunks in 1987... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH7_BW9hCI&t=2m36s[/url]


RIGHT AWAY you can tell that there's a massive difference - there is less room between defenders since they only had to defend 2-pointers and therefore guarded a smaller surface area.... and shot-blocking big men are camped in the paint awaiting penetrators (rather than today's game where defenders must help from outside the paint due to 3-point shooting and defensive 3 seconds).

The lack of spacing meant Jordan had to frequently dunk over and through guys - meanwhile, Lebron benefits from more spread-out defenders that can only reach in or fly-by most of the time, rather than be WAITING there ready to fully contest.

Also, here is the highest quality (HD) Jordan dunk compilation on youtube (done by balthus23): [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysMFyE4heVo&t=1m45s[/url]

And another more one (done by mdestinier):
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY[/url]


[SIZE="3"][B][COLOR="Red"]SOURCES:[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]

[B][U]Total Number of Dunks for Each Player in Various Seasons[/U][/B] (retrieved from 76er's Media Guides)

1988... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lb0whh&s=8#.U_0tH_ldX2U[/url]
1989... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ra47s3&s=8#.U_0qN_ldX2U[/url]
1990... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29aw57s&s=8#.U_0sDPldX2U[/url]
1991... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.U_0tS_ldX2V[/url]
1992... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=iwox8i&s=8#.VI_7OSvF_Ck[/url]
1993... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6i9zef&s=8#.U_02XvldX2U[/url]

1995... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=316rspc&s=8#.VI_53SvF_Ck[/url]
1996... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j82vl1&s=8#.VI_5qyvF_Ck[/url]

Harvey Pollack's Statistical Guide.. Cumulative Dunks 87'-05 (page 10)... [url]http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/05-06SIX_p1-50.pdf[/url]
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[B]True[/B]

So MJ dunked ON people more than any of his wing peers?

Not surprised.

He's simply a better slasher/jumper/quicker.

2:57 dunk on the 87-88 link is really impressive, and I'm not sure why. Might just be the camera angle, but it looked like should have been a layup from the initially leap.

Great research, 3ball.

You a strong contender for ISH 2014 Rookie of the Year. :cheers:

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thanks a ton for sharing. We still need 92, 94, 95, 96, 97.

Did you order the 94 guide? If so, I'll order the other four, and try and complete your dataset.

Thanks again. :cheers:

(BTW I'd love to see your personal top 10 MJ dunks in the halfcourt if you're interested, when you have the chance.)

The defenses Jordan faced were less complex, and weren't as good at containing/stopping the drive.

But yes, Jordan was one of if not the best slasher/dunker the NBA has seen.

[QUOTE=Suguru101]The defenses Jordan faced were less complex, and weren't as good at containing/stopping the drive.[/QUOTE]

Explain how. In as much detail as you possibly can.

[QUOTE=Suguru101][B]The defenses Jordan faced were less complex, and weren't as good at containing/stopping the drive.[/B]

But yes, Jordan was one of if not the best slasher/dunker the NBA has seen.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, defenses with hand-checking guards and forwards and legit 7-foot shot-blockers camping in the lane weren't as good at containing/stopping the drive. :facepalm

Rookie Shaq at 322, blowing away everyone else from any year before.
And, wow, Larry Bird with only 9 dunks during the season he averaged 30 ppg.

[QUOTE=fpliii]:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thanks a ton for sharing. We still need 92, 94, 95, 96, 97.

Did you order the 94 guide? If so, I'll order the other four, and try and complete your dataset.

Thanks again. :cheers:

(BTW I'd love to see your personal top 10 MJ dunks in the halfcourt if you're interested, when you have the chance.)[/QUOTE]
No problem, and I'll order 94' if you want to get the others :cheers:

Will gladly post a top MJ dunks in the halfcourt, probably in an existing thread at some point..

[QUOTE=Psileas]Rookie Shaq at 322, blowing away everyone else from any year before.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that jumped out at me. Dude came into the league like a Tornado :lol

[QUOTE]And, wow, Larry Bird with only 9 dunks during the season he averaged 30 ppg.[/QUOTE]

Dat skill level :bowdown:

Great job

Do these media guides also have the plus minus data?

[QUOTE=3ball]No problem, and I'll order 94' if you want to get the others :cheers:

Will gladly post my top 10 MJ dunks in the halfcourt, probably in an existing thread somewhere..[/QUOTE]
Actually, wait, you have 93-94 it seems, since it has data for 92-93 in the OP.

In that case, we just need:

92-93 (data for 91-92)
94-95 (data for 93-94)
95-96 (data for 94-95)
96-97 (data for 95-96)

Correct me if I'm wrong. I can order all four of them then, since you've already done more than half the seasons.

Looking forward to your top 10. One other thing, you said the 93-94 guide still only has plus-minus for the Sixers, correct (and not league wide)?

MJ is the best at dunking in traffic I've ever seen by far. His combination of 1st step quickness, elite leaping ability of either 1 or 2 feet and fearlessness was unbeliveable. Vince's 1st step wasn't as good, Wade's vertical isn't as good, Bron doesn't have the same fearlessness or 1st step, Wilkins didn't have the same quickness, etc.

Sh!t like this...

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Drexler_5a3411aa88633318670558bc6a82e9ed.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67d426c26375b8c.gif[/IMG]

(sorry to steal your gifs OP)

The fact that there's no longer any handchecking/touch fouls to affect him is why I think he would murder the league even worse if he played today. It would literally be impossible to keep from getting to the rim, he's way too explosive.

[QUOTE=Young X]MJ is the best at dunking in traffic I've ever seen by far. His combination of 1st step quickness, elite leaping ability of either 1 or 2 feet and fearlessness was unbeliveable. Vince's 1st step wasn't as good, Wade's vertical isn't as good, Bron doesn't have the same fearlessness or 1st step, Wilkins didn't have the same quickness, etc.

Sh!t like this...

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_with_the_Baseline_HopSt_f3dde741dd9364e1d67d426c26375b8c.gif[/IMG]

The fact that there's no longer any handchecking/touch fouls to affect him is why I think he would murder the league even worse if he played today. It would literally be impossible to keep from getting to the rim, he's way too explosive.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:


[QUOTE=Suguru101]The defenses Jordan faced were less complex, and weren't as good at containing/stopping the drive.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: @ this drivel.

OP explains why the dunking, penetrating climate is less difficult now than it was then. Perimeter physicality rules, spacing, more camped out 3 point shooters, lack of interior shot blocking big men.

Yes, defenses are far less complex than just 16+ years ago. Some magic new formula for defense was created in this time frame.

Thanks for the research.

This is why I say, everything wrapped up into one is unmatched, and will remain unmatched for the foreseeable future. Michael Jordan’s legacy is the total package and those compared to him look minuscule in comparison from today’s game. Aside from Ali, no single athlete in any sport has ever had the impact that Jordan did from a global standpoint when it pertains to fueling a passion with folks all over the globe and sparking their love for sports. -h**pshype

Mike is basketball royalty, and if there was only one king of basketball, it would be him.

[QUOTE=Young X](sorry to steal your gifs OP)
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oh please do.. i encourage it :D

[QUOTE=fpliii]Actually, wait, you have 93-94 it seems, since it has data for 92-93 in the OP.

In that case, we just need:

92-93 (data for 91-92)
94-95 (data for 93-94)
95-96 (data for 94-95)
96-97 (data for 95-96)

Correct me if I'm wrong. I can order all four of them then, since you've already done more than half the seasons.

Looking forward to your top 10. One other thing, you said the 93-94 guide still only has plus-minus for the Sixers, correct (and not league wide)?[/QUOTE]

You are correct.. I have the 93-94 guide, which shows dunking data for the 92-93' season.

And the 93-94' guide has plus-minus data for Sixer players versus the whole league and plus-minus data for the whole league [I]against the Sixers only[/I].

That would be sick if the 93-94' guide had plus-minus data for the whole league versus everyone, not just the Sixers...

However, I was thinking that if one were to buy up all the media guides for every team, then they would have plus-minus data for every team - but i would imagine that not all the media guides have plus-minus data, so that might not work.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Yes, defenses are far less complex than just 16+ years ago. Some magic new formula for defense was created in this time frame.[/QUOTE]

Zone bro... ZONE. Look at how complex and impenetrable the mighty Pistons defense became once they abandoned handchecking and Larry Brown's man principles for Flip Saunders zone concepts:

Watch the whole video for laughs but focus on :14-:15 to see how incredibly complicated Detroit's 3-2 zone is.

[url]http://youtu.be/jDdlEFMIA5Y?t=13s[/url]

How Wade ever figured out to do a simple right to left crossover... dude could've moonwalked untouched to the basket.

But the guy who faced and beat defenses like this:

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif[/IMG]

...No way he'd be able to do a simple right to left crossover to beat a 3-2 zone.

















:roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=3ball]You are correct.. I have the 93-94 guide, which shows dunking data for the 92-93' season.

And the 93-94' guide has plus-minus data for Sixer players versus the whole league and plus-minus data for the whole league [I]against the Sixers only[/I].

That would be sick if the 93-94' guide had plus-minus data for the whole league versus everyone, not just the Sixers... However, I was thinking that if one were to buy up all the media guides for every team, then they would have plus-minus data for every team - but i would imagine that not all the media guides have plus-minus data, so that might not work.[/QUOTE]
Gotcha.

My gut feeling is that not every other team tracked it, but would be interesting to check some other media guides at some point.

In before Lebron is the Goat in game dunker... oh wait they (dragic and alts) got banned. :roll: :roll: :roll:

If I knew where my 92-93 Fleer Ultra Jam Session cards were I could help you guys out with the 1991-92 dunk stats. Instead, I only recall that David Robinson was #1 that year, though I don't know if that was total dunks or dunks per game.

[img]http://www.deanscards.com/images/products/basketball/1992-93FleerUltra/92-93FUltra201.jpg[/img]

Jordan's:

[img]http://listia.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/4ca8b3e8f71d3b464e64/medium.png[/img]

[quote]MJ is the best at dunking in traffic I've ever seen by far. His combination of 1st step quickness, elite leaping ability of either 1 or 2 feet and fearlessness was unbeliveable. [/quote]

In addition to that, he was perhaps the best transition player ever. If he got on the ball in on the fast break it was almost a guaranteed two points or a foul.

Based on the [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950"]126 game sample[/URL], Jordan was well over 90% in [B]Transition[/B].


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sSe2aEV.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=PHILA]In addition to that, he was perhaps the best transition player ever. If he got on the ball in on the fast break it was almost a guaranteed two points or a foul.

Based on the [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950"]126 game sample[/URL], Jordan was well over 90% in [B]Transition[/B].


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sSe2aEV.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Those percentages in the [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317950"]126 game sample[/URL] are amazing - basically 50% or more on pull-up jumpers and post-ups, the shots a tight defense still can't stop.

Cool post, thanks 3ball. I'm certainly not surprised at the Jordan numbers, he clearly dunked more frequently and threw down in traffic more than LeBron.

I would rather see Jordan vs. Toronto Vince. With no disrespect to Jordan, Nique and Doc I think Vince was the best dunker of all-time.

how do you think he shot 50% fg when he was only hitting 45% jumpers

This only confirms the complete lack of defense in the late '80s. Not surprised at all. LeBron would've averaged easily close to 200 dunks per season in that enviroment.

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]This only confirms the complete lack of defense in the late '80s. Not surprised at all. LeBron would've averaged easily close to 200 dunks per season in that enviroment.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Look at the sophisticated defenses and defenders that LeBron carved up in the modern era.

[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg[/IMG]

vs Jordan LOL midgets!

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif[/IMG]

Lebron has no two footed jump. He`s also "only" quick in transition imho.

Jordan did it all - and better then everyone else. GOAT.

Those facials :bowdown: :bowdown:

This one is just insane!

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Warriors_ff386b9f086f55a04ef7357f890c6ddd.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]I agree. Look at the sophisticated defenses and defenders that LeBron carved up in the modern era.

[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg[/IMG]

vs Jordan LOL midgets!

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Ether most high. :cheers:

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]I agree. Look at the sophisticated defenses and defenders that LeBron carved up in the modern era.

[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg[/IMG]

vs Jordan LOL midgets!

[IMG]http://i.minus.com/iHwd5KuplF3Ml.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
bad iso defense by the guard, retarded help by the big man and an extremly late contest by "10 inch vert" Ewing:roll:

Imagine what would LeBron do. Unlike Jordan, he would not actually be detrimental to his team's offense by jacking up 24 shots per game. Those Bulls teams would have few 120 oRTG seasons with him in MJ's place.

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]bad iso defense by the guard, retarded help by the big man and an extremly late contest by "10 inch vert" Ewing:roll:

Imagine what would LeBron do. Unlike Jordan, he would not actually be detrimental to his team's offense by jacking up 24 shots per game. Those Bulls teams would have few 120 oRTG seasons with him in MJ's place.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f231/CruxisAurion/timetostopposting.jpg[/IMG]

Great thread btw 3ball.

[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]bad iso defense by the guard, retarded help by the big man and an extremly late contest by "10 inch vert" Ewing:roll:

[B]Imagine what would LeBron do.[/B][/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lebron-flop-3.gif[/IMG]

While Jordan would be easily the best slasher in the league now the numbers are still altered by the style of play in the 80s. Harder to get to thebasket in the halfcourt...but many more full court chances. Especially when playing the west. Teams would just let you run. Teams would run on made baskets.

Charles Oakley created quite a few of those 88 dunks off MJ taking off:

[IMG]http://oi57.tinypic.com/2czrldx.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://oi62.tinypic.com/2s0estf.jpg[/IMG]

That said...he would still get more today than any swingman.

[QUOTE=3ball]-
[B][U]Comparing Jordan's Dunking Data to Contemporaries[/U][/B]

For the 6 seasons between 1988 and 1993, Jordan had 746 dunks, or an average of 125 dunks per season.. His high was 158 (1988), and his low was 95 (1993)... (links to complete dunk data for each season are at the bottom of this post)

By comparison, from 2002-2009 (Kobe's athletic prime and highest volume period), Kobe averaged 65 dunks... Tracy McGrady averaged 75 dunks from 2001 to 2005 (his athletic prime and highest volume period)... Vince Carter in his prime and Paul George only get about 50 dunks per season.

Infact, Jordan's dunk totals dwarf every single wing player from this era except Wade, Lebron, and Durant... These are the only players that routinely amass over 100 dunks per year, although none of them have as many dunks over a 6-year period as Jordan - the high for any of these three players is 144, by Lebron this year.... Jordan has a season of 153 dunks and another with 158 dunks, and we don't have data for his biggest dunking year - 1987 when he averaged 37.1ppg on 27 shot attempts (still had 59%TS).


[B][U]Looking at the Dunking Environment Across Eras[/U][/B]

Of course, different eras use different rules and styles of play which affect how easy it is to get a dunk - this will sound crazy, but [I]Lebron dunked over defenders in a chest-to-chest scenario only 3 times the entire 2014 season - every other time the spacing and defensive 3 seconds prevented defenders from getting to the spot in time[/I]... and most of Lebron's dunks were completely wide open, not even a reach-in or fly-by - the 3-point shooting and floor-spacing creates too much ground and extra space for the defense to cover.... confirm for yourself... here are every single one of Lebron's dunks for the 2014 season - [I]only 3 posters[/I].

All Lebron dunks from 1st half of season... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCYKuK84cCQ[/url]
All Lebron dunks from 2nd half of season... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiApca7OtE0[/url]


After you've watched Lebron's dunks in the 2014 season, compare that to Jordan's dunks in 1987... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH7_BW9hCI&t=2m12s[/url]

RIGHT AWAY you can tell that there's a massive difference - there is no spacing and less room between defenders because the defense is packed-in so they can better defend only 2-pointers, and shot-blocking big men are camped in the paint awaiting penetrators (rather than today's game where helping on penetration involves scrambling from the three-point line to the paint and then making sure you aren't in there for more than 3 seconds).

The lack of spacing meant Jordan had to frequently dunk over and through guys if he wanted to dunk - so much so, that even with the limited footage available from back then, it is easy to find literally hundreds of Jordan dunks over defenders... For example, listed below are links to various collections of Jordan posters (very partial collections)... you could never accumulate collections like this for Lebron, because today's game with the spacing doesn't allow this level of shot contestion, so Lebron doesn't even have a small fraction as many posters as Jordan has.

[url=http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40414797#p40414797][u]Top 15 MJ Dunks Over Multiple Contesting Defenders[/u][/url]

[url=http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=40382395#p40382395][u]Partial Collection of MJ Dunks Over All-Time Great Centers[/u][/url]

[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10441991&postcount=40][u]Various Two-Handed Posters Over Defenders (two-foot takeoffs)[/u][/url]



[B][U]Total Number of Dunks for Each Player in Various Seasons[/U][/B] (retrieved from 76er's Media Guides)

1988... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lb0whh&s=8#.U_0tH_ldX2U[/url]
1989... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ra47s3&s=8#.U_0qN_ldX2U[/url]
1990... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29aw57s&s=8#.U_0sDPldX2U[/url]
1991... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.U_0tS_ldX2V[/url]
1993... [url]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6i9zef&s=8#.U_02XvldX2U[/url]

88'-93'... [url]https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/s720x720/1795563_10204531167778660_7768591196828075347_n.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Look no further than Jordan's dunks vs same era wings to see that the higher #s relative to today's league is more a product of the environment than a product of the player.

How often does Lebron james poster centers? I swear everytime he dunks on someone it's a guard.. :facepalm

[QUOTE=AirFederer]This one is just insane!

[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Jordan_over_Warriors_ff386b9f086f55a04ef7357f890c6ddd.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

If that was LeBron today he would have been at the line for 1.....although LeBron couldn't do this with his piss poor two legged hops