Noah, Durant and Oden

[B][U]Kevin Durant[/U][/B]-
[B]Rookie[/B]- 14 PPG 4.1 RPG
[B]Prime[/B]- 23 PPG 7 RPG
[B]NBA Comparison[/B]-Rashard Lewis
[B]Thoughts[/B]:People are overrating this kid. They are talking about how he is going to be up there with LeBron, Carmelo, and TMac, but he isn't athletic, or rugged enough to be up there. He has a terrific jumper, but he doesn't post up as well as he should. I don't think that the fact that he's skinny is going to be a problem, but he's going to be a one dimensional player. He's like a better version of Adam Morrisson, in the NBA.

[B][U]Greg Oden[/U][/B]-
[B]Rookie[/B]- 8 PPG 6 RPG 1.5 BPG
[B]Prime[/B]- 19 PPG 12 RPG 3 BPG
[B]NBA Comparison[/B]-Alonzo Mourning, Tim Duncan.
[B]Thoughts[/B]: Greg Oden is just as good as advertised. He fouls way too much, but hey, that's a big man for ya. He is a terrific rebounder, and shot blocker. He can hold his own on the offensive end, and this kid's potential is just unlimited. If he enters the draft this year, I would be shocked if anybody picks Kevin Durant over him.
[B][U]
Joakim Noah[/U][/B]-
[B]Rookie[/B]- 5 PPG 4 RPG
[B]Prime[/B]- 11 PPG 11 RPG 2 BPG
[B]NBA Comparison[/B]-Kurt Thomas, Udonis Haslem.
[B]Thoughts[/B]: Very, very overrated. He's a terrific role player, he's never going to be a superstar. He brings a lot of energy to the floor, as well as intense defense and rebounding. However, he can't score very well, and I doubt that is going to change when he hits the NBA. He is a better version of Kurt Thomas, but he isn't going to be a 17 PPG scorer by any stretch of the imagination.

Any thoughts, opinions, criticism out there? Project your own stats for these three guys.

[QUOTE]He's like a better version of Adam Morrisson, in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I'm a better version of Adam Morrison.

I think your underrating Oden's ability to score he will average double digits in points and more than 6 boards as a rookie.

We have an NBA prospect sticky thread. Why this couldnt be added there? Mystery, call Scooby Doo and them.

[QUOTE=GOBB]We have an NBA prospect sticky thread. Why this couldnt be added there? Mystery, call Scooby Doo and them.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I'll stick with Sherlock Holmes, he's more efficient. :cheers:

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I think your underrating Oden's ability to score he will average double digits in points and more than 6 boards as a rookie.[/QUOTE]

Co-Sign this, i think he has the potential to be as dominating as Shaq in the future.

[QUOTE=shafir]
Joakim Noah[/U][/B]-
[B]Rookie[/B]- 5 PPG 4 RPG
[B]Prime[/B]- 11 PPG 11 RPG 2 BPG
[B]NBA Comparison[/B]-Kurt Thomas, Udonis Haslem.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever watched him play? Doubters comparing Noah to Varejao have a point. Haslem? He's what, 6 inches taller?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Have you ever watched him play? Doubters comparing Noah to Varejao have a point. Haslem? He's what, 6 inches taller?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about their physical capabilities, but rather, their playing styles. I've watched Noah quite a bit, as well as Haslem, and I think they have very similar styles.

I think your underrating Noah and overrating a bit on Oden.

Edit:
Never mind read it wrong.
Oden seems fine but Noah will be better then what you list him as.

[QUOTE=shafir]I wasn't talking about their physical capabilities, but rather, their playing styles. I've watched Noah quite a bit, as well as Haslem, and I think they have very similar styles.[/QUOTE]
Haslem doesn't block shots and he can hit the 5 footer, he's nowhere near as long or athletic as Oden relying instead on muscle (which Noah lacks). As bigs they have very little in common beyond hustle (and Noah plays with more energy) and coming out of the University of Florida.

Will Durrant be the next Ed O'Bannan

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Haslem doesn't block shots and he can hit the 5 footer, he's nowhere near as long or athletic as Oden relying instead on muscle (which Noah lacks). As bigs they have very little in common beyond hustle (and Noah plays with more energy) and coming out of the University of Florida.[/QUOTE]
The hustle, energy, and rebounding makes Joakim Noah who he is. It isn't that he scores a lot, because he doesn't. Noah is overrated because people are in love with his energy, and hustle. The fact that Florida has won two straight has given him a lot of national attention, as well as a lot of love that he normally wouldn't get. Big men on the big stage that can run without tripping on themselves are overrated, and GMs make that same mistake every year. Tyrus Thomas, Marvin Williams, and Adam Morrisson are prior examples, Noah and Durant will be the next two. Durant is going to be good, but he is no LeBron.

[QUOTE=D-Wade]Co-Sign this, i think he has the potential to be as dominating as Shaq in the future.[/QUOTE]

I wouldnt go that far i dont think he has the raw power to dominate like Shaq but i think he can be very good on the offensive end.

Oden is the best of the 3. Durant is overrated. I haven't watched Noah all that much, he seems to have a lot of heart though.

Noah is WAY overrated

He's 22 years old btw. He will be a another Varejeo. Not a bad thing, but still. He won't be as good as Kurt Thomas imo

You just compared Durant to Morrison, youre retarted. He has a great all around game and hes a good kid. He isnt overhyped. Sorry.

And I like Oden alot too.

Id take Oden only because you cant find Centers like that anymore.

[QUOTE=GothamKnight]Noah is WAY overrated

He's 22 years old btw. He will be a another Varejeo. Not a bad thing, but still. He won't be as good as Kurt Thomas imo[/QUOTE]


thank you, I can't stand watching him play. Just something about him. The way he acts after he makes a block or even scores a point. He always has to scream or yell, make some kind of "ME" statement, once Noah is in the NBA he's going to get Dominated.

he's so overrated it's not even funny. He has little offensive game from what I've seen, which isn't much but all I see him doing on SportsCenter is yelling and screaming like a little girl. Which is very annoying.

Plus him playing with FL helped him out, since he wasn't really asked to do too much.

I just can't wait till he's in the NBA, he'll be out so FAST, I hope at least hahaa

[QUOTE=D-Wade]Co-Sign this, i think he has the potential to be as dominating as Shaq in the future.[/QUOTE]

you should be banned for this post


Oden = tall
Shaq = freak of nature

[QUOTE=number23]You just compared Durant to Morrison, youre retarted. He has a great all around game and hes a good kid. He isnt overhyped. Sorry.

And I like Oden alot too.

Id take Oden only because you cant find Centers like that anymore.[/QUOTE]
First off, let me start by stating you spell retarded the way I just did, not "retarted" That's like saying "I'm a jeanius!" It just does you in.

Second off, I said he was a "better" Morrison, not exactly like him. Unless you have never watched Morrison play in college, you would agree with me that they have similar styles. They are both big men who have good jumpers, don't post up well, and play sub-par defense. Kevin Durant does not have a "great" all around game, just a good one. He has a terrific jumper, and is an average rebounder for his size. However, he isn't great posting up, doesn't play good defense, and isn't aggressive enough on defense. Conveniently, you overlooked my comparison to Rashard Lewis. This kid is going to be good, but again, he is no LeBron James.

Just stating that he isn't "overhyped" doesn't exactly convince me. He is a skinny freshman with a terrific jumper, that doesn't exactly translate into "superstar" He is going to be a kid that averages around 20 PPG and 7 RPG, I just don't see him tearing up the NBA, and averaging 30, 7, and 7 like LeBron, or even 30 at all.

Durant gets blocks and steals at least as far as defense goes and he's a very good rebounder.

He's something special imo. Kid just DOMINATED college as a freshman and you're comparing him to a white jumpshooter...

The Durant and Shard Lewis comparison is fair IMO. Very fair.

How the hell can Noah average only 2bpg in his prime

he can probably get those stats if he got 35 min in his rookie year; haslem plays nothing like noah, neither does thomas. Haslem and Thomas can shoot and they have no shotblocking abilities. Noah's post defense is no where as good as Haslem's and Thomas'. Here is a more feasible prime projection for noah:

14ppg 11rpg 3.0apg 2.7bpg 1.5spg .55fg%

all around beast

Yeah, I don't agree with these assessments; far from any actual truth in there. I go into it, but it's clear OP hasn't watched enough games from of any of the prospects.

TO those guys who think Noah is underrated and say he should average about double digits in points, why don't you check back on his COLLEGE stats. What makes you guys think he'll get that much........
Toooooooooo overrated

The rest is fine

[QUOTE=tmacman]TO those guys who think Noah is underrated and say he should average about double digits in points, why don't you check back on his COLLEGE stats. What makes you guys think he'll get that much........
Toooooooooo overrated

The rest is fine[/QUOTE]

12ppg. Horford is averaging 13. Not even that, players get better after college. Something you might not have realized.

I like your career stat lines, they make sense. Noah is over-rated he brings alot of enegry to the floors. He gets under my skin becuase he claps after a hard foul and gets to the line or screams. It is annoying. I do not think Durant is one-dimensional. I would compare him to the like of Josh Smith.

Oden is a MAN-CHILD. He's a freaking beast and should put up Dwight Howard-esque numbers after two-years of seasoning in the league. You can't teach grit, heart and monster defense like he has. You CAN teach post moves, hook shots and 10-15 foot jumpers like he needs to improve on offense.

He'll fly head and shoulders above the other two - especially Noah.

can someone explain to me why Noah is in this post along with the 2 greatest prospects to come out of college basketball since Melo? Noah's in the Tyson Chandler/current Kirilenko discussion, not in the future top 10 players discussion.

noah sucks ass!

Durant is going to be a force in the NBA by year 2. Oden needs to stay in college to gain experience and work on his post game, he has terrible footwork. But he will be good in the NBA, not Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing type but a little under that.




NOAH :violin:

[I]"Kevin Durant will be announcing in a press conference mid next week that he will be putting his name in the draft."[/I]

[QUOTE=-primetime-]you should be banned for this post


Oden = tall
Shaq = freak of nature[/QUOTE]


Shaq used to be kind of skinny, then he got big and strong. He looked a lot like Oden. So Oden could get real big and even stronger.

I think no matter what, Oden will the first player taken. And I give you some reasoning behind my opinion.

1. In past draft centers/pf have been taken first, e.g. tim duncan, hakeem olajuwom, yao ming, d howard, etc

2. The Nba is in big need of true centers. So whoever picks Oden they will have one of the top centers for at least 10 years.

3. They are plenty of wing players in the nba - TMac, Paul Pierce, Kobe, Lebron James, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, so Durant will be just one more to the collection, how many true centers are there in the Nba? Yao for sure, Shaq is in decline, and Howard and maybe Okafor.

4. Oden doesn't need to score to help his team win. Durant needs to.

5. Thank you :cheers:

[QUOTE=beau_boy04]I think no matter what, Oden will the first player taken. And I give you some reasoning behind my opinion.

1. In past draft centers/pf have been taken first, e.g. tim duncan, hakeem olajuwom, yao ming, d howard, etc

2. The Nba is in big need of true centers. So whoever picks Oden they will have one of the top centers for at least 10 years.

3. They are plenty of wing players in the nba - TMac, Paul Pierce, Kobe, Lebron James, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, so Durant will be just one more to the collection, how many true centers are there in the Nba? Yao for sure, Shaq is in decline, and Howard and maybe Okafor.

4. Oden doesn't need to score to help his team win. Durant needs to.

5. Thank you :cheers:[/QUOTE]
I agree, big men are always ranked higher then swing men, regardless of how much more talent the swing man has. Greg Oden is going to be a beast, Kevin Durant will be a bust.

[QUOTE=shafir]I agree, big men are always ranked higher then swing men, regardless of how much more talent the swing man has. Greg Oden is going to be a beast, Kevin Durant will be a bust.[/QUOTE]


A bust??? Have you watched him play this season?

I see something shaping up like this..

Oden : 21ppg 12rpg 3bpg
Durant : 25ppg 8rpg 2bpg
Noah : 11ppg 7rpg 2bpg

[QUOTE=Neb154]A bust??? Have you watched him play this season?

I see something shaping up like this..

Oden : 21ppg 12rpg 3bpg
Durant : 25ppg 8rpg 2bpg
Noah : 11ppg 7rpg 2bpg[/QUOTE]


you're saying Durant will be better than Kevin Garnett? :hammerhead:
j/k

Depending on which team picks Durant and if he's the only good player in his team I see him averaging 30/10/2 in couple of season.

If Oden can polish his game and develop a more aggressive demeanor I could see him doing some 30/20/4 seasons.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FrenchDude][I]"Kevin Durant will be announcing in a press conference mid next week that he will be putting his name in the draft."[/I][/QUOTE]
big surprise

you knew it was coming... players like him dont stay long in college... he's got no competition in college.

[QUOTE=beau_boy04]you're saying Durant will be better than Kevin Garnett? :hammerhead:
j/k

Depending on which team picks Durant and if he's the only good player in his team I see him averaging 30/10/2 in couple of season.

If Oden can polish his game and develop a more aggressive demeanor I could see him doing some 30/20/4 seasons.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

OMG, are you serious?

this is officially the stupidest post ever.

Think about what you've just said.

Durant is a 6'10 220lbs. wing player. He's been compared to at best as a Tracy McGrady player with more size. Tracy never averaged 30/10 and neither will Durant. Do not be surprised if Durant ends up being more along the lines of Rashard Lewis. 30/10 wont happen for him. ever.

Now your predictions for Greg Oden are even worse. 30/20? Do you even remember the last player to put up 20 rebounds a game? and 30 points for a center? This is a guards game now, the 30 points wont happen and neither will the 20 rebounds.

Stop being so extreme about your predictions, just because it's a strong draft doesn't mean there wont be busts. Most players wont live up to the players they were compared to.

You clearly haven't seen enough of either play. Your predictions are [B]way[/B] off.

[QUOTE=Agent ZER0]Shaq used to be kind of skinny, then he got big and strong. He looked a lot like Oden. So Oden could get real big and even stronger.[/QUOTE]


Oden my get similar strength and size but he will never be as quick or have the foot speed of a young Shaq. Like the other poster said, Shaq is a freak of nature. Now sit down and calm yourself about Oden.