All Jordan FG's With Kobe Defending

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[SIZE="4"]5 FG's on Kobe in [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744214&postcount=23][u]in 1998 All-Star game[/u][/url] (to Kobe's zero)..

8 FG's [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10745049&postcount=30][u]in regular season games[/u][/url] (to Kobe's 4).
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[COLOR="Red"]The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s[/url]..... :yaohappy:

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ][u]Latrell Sprewell[/u][/url], Clyde Drexler, Penny, [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18][u]Kendall Gill[/u][/url], [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url], Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

Jordan and Kobe's relevant years didnt overlap....

[QUOTE=3ball].
MJ scored 5 times while Kobe was guarding him [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744214&postcount=23][u]in the 1998 All-Star game[/u][/url] (to Kobe's zero)... and another 8 times [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10745049&postcount=30][u]in regular season games[/u][/url] (to Kobe's 4).


The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s[/url]..... :yaohappy:

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

[B]Eddie Jones[/B] was one of a bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ][u]Latrell Sprewell[/u][/url], [B]Nick Anderson[/B], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18][u][B]Kendall Gill[/B][/u][/url], [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u][B]Ray Allen[/B][/u][/url], Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.[/QUOTE]
Those names still sending shivers down my spine :roll:

[QUOTE=dunksby]Those names still sending shivers down my spine :roll:[/QUOTE]
You only highlighted 3 guys, so that's still a lot of SG's that DO send shivers down your spine.

Also, Eddie Jones, Ray Allen, and Nick Anderson would all be top 10 SG's in today's game, and all were noted defenders.

I didn't even mention defensive specialists like Doug Christie or Derrick McKey that Jordan destroyed, let alone the guys like Reggie Miller or Allan Houston who weren't great defenders, but that would still rank very highly among todays SG's.

Let's face it.. the two-guard spot in today's game is horrific compared to previous eras along with the bigs.. (and i only mentioned A FEW guys from 96'-98, not even the best SG's either).
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Kobe>jordan

[QUOTE=3ball]You only highlighted 3 guys, so that's still a lot of SG's that DO send shivers down your spine.

Also, Eddie Jones, Ray Allen, and Nick Anderson would all be top 10 SG's in today's game, and all were noted defenders.
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I'd reply now but you are gonna edit your post and add another paragraph to it so I will wait.

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[SIZE="4"][B]MJ huge quickness mismatch for Garnett:[/B]
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[SIZE="3"]***[/SIZE][I]KG and MJ both played SF in 2002 - in their first meeting when MJ was a Wizard, they were matched up SF vs. SF for the entire game.. MJ scored 35 on Garnett in every way imaginable from the opening tip - at the 4:00 mark, Jordan scores on Garnett for 5 consecutive possessions, with the announcers getting more excited each time:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4[/url]

Lebron was never guarded by a prime Garnett.. I doubt he would have the quickness to make it a huge mismatch like MJ did.. After all, guys like Boris Diaw, Gordon Hayward fare well against Lebron defensively..

Kobe also never went head-to-head with prime Garnett either.. He wouldn't be strong of explosive enough to take advantage of him like MJ does above, so Kobe wouldn't have anything to counter KG's length, similar to a Tayshaun Prince.[/I]
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[QUOTE=3ball].
MJ scored 5 times while Kobe was guarding him [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744214&postcount=23][u]in the 1998 All-Star game[/u][/url] (to Kobe's zero)... and another 8 times [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10745049&postcount=30][u]in regular season games[/u][/url] (to Kobe's 4).


The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s[/url]..... :yaohappy:

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

Eddie Jones was one of a [B]bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with[/B] - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ][u][B]Latrell Sprewell[/u][/url], Nick Anderson, [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10744186&postcount=18][u]Kendall Gill[/u][/url], [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url], Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond[/B], and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you have a wide definition of great.

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]Kobe>jordan[/QUOTE]
5>6

[QUOTE=Smoke117]

Apparently you have a wide definition of great.

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i could have mentioned average defenders like reggie miller, allan houston, jim jackson, steve smith, jerry stackhouse, jeff hornacek and isiah rider - there are a ton of average defenders like these guys in today's game.

and other than isiah rider, all these guys would be top 10 SG's in today's game.

but instead of mentioning these guys, i made sure that all the guys i mentioned in OP were very good defenders (and Jones and Augmon were great defenders).... didn't even include drexler, but even without him, mid-late 90's SG's easily crush today's crop.

also, kobe's best defense came his first 3-4 years in the league... just like mcgrady - while they were their lightest and quickest.

[QUOTE=3ball]i could have mentioned average defenders like reggie miller, allan houston, jim jackson, steve smith, jerry stackhouse, jeff hornacek and isiah rider - there are a ton of average defenders like these guys in today's game.

and other than isiah rider, all these guys would be top 10 SG's in today's game.

but instead of mentioning these guys, i made sure that all the guys i mentioned in OP were very good defenders (and Jones and Augmon were great defenders).... didn't even include drexler, but even without him, mid-late 90's SG's easily crush today's crop.

[B][B]also, kobe's best defense came his first 3-4 years in the league... just like mcgrady[/B][/B] - while they were their lightest and quickest.[/QUOTE]

Oh I agree with that part...but it had nothing to do with them being lighter or quicker and everything to do with effort.

when i look at the list, i see less than 5 SG's from today's game that i would say are "good" defenders.

and some of the top SG's in the league today are complete aids defensively (wade, harden).
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[QUOTE=navy]Jordan and Kobe's relevant years didnt overlap....[/QUOTE]
True.

35 year old MJ gave 19 year old Kobe the BIDNESS in that 1998 ASG though. No questions asked. They guarded each other, Kobe tried to go at him and it wasn't like from a physical ability stand point they both weren't capable that season. MJ was seasoned, but lacked his prime level hops / quickness. Kobe had the physical ability but obviously not the intelligence, and refinement.

But it was the most equal footing we would see from them taking each other on.

Which wasn't the case however with prime 23 / 24 year old Kobe v.s. ancient 39 / 40 year old Jordan ... who unlike 35 year old versions of himself had no physical ability. Just skill, and craftiness.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]True.

35 year old MJ gave 19 year old Kobe the BIDNESS in that 1998 ASG though. No questions asked. They guarded each other, Kobe tried to go at him and it wasn't like from a physical ability stand point they both weren't capable that season. MJ was seasoned, but lacked his prime level hops / quickness. Kobe had the physical ability but obviously not the intelligence, and refinement.

But it was the most equal footing we would see from them taking each other on.

Which wasn't the case however with prime 23 / 24 year old Kobe v.s. ancient 39 / 40 year old Jordan ... who unlike 35 year old versions of himself had no physical ability. Just skill, and craftiness.[/QUOTE]
agreed.

jordan got 89 dunks as a 35 year-old in 1998, good for top 5% in the league... but when he came back 3 years later as a Wizard, he got 20 dunks each season, good for top 50%... :(

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Oh I agree with that part.

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only that part?

you don't think eddie jones, latrell sprewell, nick anderson, clyde drexler, doug christie, ray allen, michael finley, kendall gill, and derrick mckey are good defenders?

[I]which SG's from today's game are better defenders than any of the guys from 1996 that i just listed?
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[QUOTE=3ball]
[I]which SG's from today's game are better defenders than any of the guys from 1996 that i just listed?
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Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.

Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.

SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.

Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.

SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.[/QUOTE]
Butler and Leonard are great defenders... that's just two though.. easily matched by any other year or era.

Ditto on the superstars - every era has 2-3 superstars at the SF spot... the 90's is far deeper at the SF spot, and the 80's is actually the golden age of SF's (a rarely discussed fact)...

80's of course ruled the big men too - the 80's was the golden era for frontcourts period.

Btw, people keep mentioning Paul George in these discussions to help today's era keep up - but he's hurt now, and won't come back the same - it happens - Reggie Lewis and Richard Dumas were the same type of rising star before their careers were cut short.

That was entertaining lol kucoc chucking. Lol kobe choked on those free throws.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Klay is probably the only one who could hang defensively with those guys you have listed, and that's about it.

Right now is BY FAR the weakest era of shooting guards. Offensively, and especially on defense.

SF is super legit however. With great defenders like Butler, Leonard and Paul George. And then true superstars like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.[/QUOTE]
Off the top of my head Tony Allen, Afflalo, George, Thabo, Butler,Ariza, Iggy, that's for right now and if we are going by 2000-2015 the list would get much longer.

Does the term "Kobe Stopper" mean anything to you guys and gals? Kobe popularized the defensive specialist in the league. Guys who were designed to only stop him during the 3peat era. They knew Shaq was going to get his but how are they going to stop Kobe. Enters the defensive specialists, who play SF too. Diaws, Bowens, Battiers of world who's only sole purpose is to defend. They spend all their energy to this specific task.

There were no defensive specialists in Jordan's era and there are very few of them today compared to the previous era.

This is how good Bryant was against great defensive players. He routinely scores on them with ease.

How does he even make the shot with this kind of defense that is only seen against Bryant. Rather than going for the ball Battier just blocks his vision instead.

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Here are Jordan Era defensive players.....

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:facepalm @ this kind of defending. You won't see any player today bite at those fakes.
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Brent Price who?
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[size="4"][B]MJ destroying Shane Battier[/B][/size]


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[IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/468618065082751c07e3ab2cdabdeae3.gif[/IMG]... Off-Ball Passing


battier is garbage for jordan.. way too slow... tailor-made... kobe just made it look way harder than it should have.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z6rTb2m-Uw&t=2m17s[/url]
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So....I suppose the point of this thread was to show Jordan was able to score a few points on teenagerbe?:facepalm


Lets have a look at all the blocks they racked up while guarding eachother

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MJ guarding Kobe:























And it's obvoius that Kobe would guard Jordan routinely while MJ was too afraid to guard Kobe for even a moment. (see 55 point game)

[QUOTE=G0ATbe]

And it's obvoius that Kobe would guard Jordan routinely while MJ was too afraid to guard Kobe for even a moment. (see 55 point game)

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Every bucket i posted of MJ on Kobe was from 1996-1998 - i actually didn't include his Wizards years to save space.. Kobe's only scored on Jordan 4 times ever, including his Wizards years.

Kobe struggled with Doug Christie, Anthony Peeler, Shawn Marion, many more - all guys that Jordan dropped 40 on with ease.

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[B]Does the term "Kobe Stopper" mean anything to you guys and gals?[/B] Kobe popularized the defensive specialist in the league. Guys who were designed to only stop him during the 3peat era.

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It means that one guy could stop Kobe and limit his efficiency - it didn't take an entire team... that's what the Jordan Rules were for.... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs[/url]

"soonner or later, everyone gets compared to Wilt"

Way more 2-way players in previous eras...

[QUOTE=GimmeThat]"soonner or later, everyone gets compared to Wilt"[/QUOTE]
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i can't argue with that

[QUOTE=dunksby]

Off the top of my head [B]Tony Allen, Afflalo, George, Thabo, Butler,Ariza, Iggy[/B], that's for right now and if we are going by 2000-2015 the list would get much longer.

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Tony Allen = Bobby Phills

Aaron Afllalo = Doug Christie, Nate McMillan

Paul George = Scottie Pippen, Gary Payton

Thabo = Shandon Anderson, George Lynch, Derrick McKey

Jimmy Butler = Eddie Jones

Trevor Ariza = Michael Finley

Iggy = Rodman


All the guys on the right are from 1996-1998.. 2nd 3-peat only... I like 96'-98' a lot better - the quality was so much higher, i feel bad even comparing them all... i mean, can we really even compare Thabo to two-way player and super-athlete Derrick McKey?... it's not even close.

I didn't include many two-way players from 1996 like Jordan, Penny, Grant Hill, Sprewell, Drexler, Mitch Richmond... there were FAR more two-way players in previous eras.
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Kobes competition at SG

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Jordans top competition at SG

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after a long day at shop rite

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^two guys that couldnt dribble (with both hands)

Kobe wasn't even a starter when he faced Bulls MJ in 98, who was playing at an MVP level. Kobe was what, 19?

All I'll remember is him sending Jordan to retirement with 55 points :lebronamazed:, where MJ didn't even dare to guard his ass lol.

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two guys that couldnt dribble (with both hands)

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Drexler with the right-to-left crossover in traffic, crazy lefty finish... perfect [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900][u]navigational efficiency[/u][/url].. how many guys today are covering ground like that - that greek kid might have the [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354072][u]Elgin-Step[/u][/url] down but he doesn't have this kind of shot-creating skill or ability.

Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, Eddie Jones, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url]... that's just from 1996-1998 yet it's enough to destroy Kobe's competition... and I barely got started.

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Drexler with the right-to-left crossover in traffic, crazy lefty finish... perfect [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900][u]navigational efficiency[/u][/url].. how many guys today are covering ground like that - that greek kid might have the [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354072][u]Elgin-Step[/u][/url] down but he doesn't have this kind of shot-creating skill or ability.

Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, Eddie Jones, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url]... that's just from 1996-1998 yet it's enough to destroy Kobe's competition... and I barely got started.[/QUOTE]

How are you including Ray Allen as Jordan's competition?

I see you're including big PGs and SFs in your list.

McGrady, Wade, Iverson, Allen, Carter, Pierce and Redd. Then you could include LeBron in that

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McGrady, Wade, Iverson, Allen, Carter, Pierce and Redd. Then you could include LeBron in that

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Yeah, i don't think that list comes close to Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, and Eddie Jones.

also, the above list only covers 1996-1998, whereas yours covers at least 5 years (and you had to include Redd).

btw, your list is further weakened since Iverson and Allen can both be grouped with Jordan - they were both 20 ppg scorers by their 2nd season in 1998, they both remained the same size their entire career (so their physical man-to-man defensive ability is the same), and they both played MJ extensively those years from being in the same conference.

Scottie Pippen and Jordan were on the same team.

Remember when Jordan got locked up by Gary Payton?

[QUOTE=Wade's Rings]

Scottie Pippen and Jordan were on the same team.

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doesn't matter - we're comparing the overall level of defensive talent and two-way talent at the wing position in 1996-1998 vs. any other era or time period.

i should include Iverson, Kobe, and Garnett with the 96'-98' group since all three made the All-Star Team in 1998.

But regardless, Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, and Eddie Jones is more than enough anyway.


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Remember when Jordan got locked up by Gary Payton?

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No, I stopped watching after the Bulls got a 3-0 lead in the series.
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[QUOTE=3ball]Yeah, i don't think that list comes close to Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, and Eddie Jones.

also, the above list only covers 1996-1998, whereas yours covers at least 5 years (and you had to include Redd).

btw, your list is further weakened since Iverson and Allen can both be grouped with Jordan - they were both 20 ppg scorers by their 2nd season in 1998, they both remained the same size their entire career (so their physical man-to-man defensive ability is the same), and they both played MJ extensively those years from being in the same conference.[/QUOTE]

How are you going to include his teammate as his competition? My list is 03-05, and what do you mean I also had to include Redd? Was he not a 2 guard in the 2000s?

And as I've said I could include LeBron and he's the best player in either list, and I forgot Melo/Durant.

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Drexler with the right-to-left crossover in traffic, crazy lefty finish... perfect [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360900][u]navigational efficiency[/u][/url].. how many guys today are covering ground like that - that greek kid might have the [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354072][u]Elgin-Step[/u][/url] down but he doesn't have this kind of shot-creating skill or ability.

Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, Eddie Jones, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOJQOMEJ4Y][u]Ray Allen[/u][/url]... that's just from 1996-1998 yet it's enough to destroy Kobe's competition... and I barely got started.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me youre joking. None of those guys at their best are even close to a Peak Wade Lebron, Durant or McGrady. Even peak Iverson and Carter are just as good as Peak Drexler or Payton. Penny Richmond Sprewell Jones nor Miller are even in the same tier as Wade Durant Lebron Tmac Iverson or Carter. Theyre in the Ray Allen Michael Redd Peak level.

The SG SF era from 2000-2010 is better than the 1990-2000 era and if you can't see that I don't know what to say to you. Jordans the best, but then you have Kobe Lebron Wade TMac Durant who are all superior to the 2nd best wing from the 90s, whether its Drexler or Pippen or Mullin or whoever.