Similar to Wade which stars of today will have the saddest decline

I shed 2 tears today watching Wade. One of the hardest moments to watch as a heat fan today

As for the topic im going with Klay Thompson

klay is shooter ,shooter always last longer in good form

[QUOTE=Achilleas]klay is shooter ,shooter always last longer in good form[/QUOTE]

Im sorry Nostradamous can you tell me if my future son is going to marry a bad bitch or nah while your at it?

Melo. He'll never get that championship

In general players who rely too much in athleticism and high physical risk movements, who re not elite shooters and/or have elite skills.

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Westbrook

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notice the old man gimpiness after the dunk.

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notice the old man gimpiness after the dunk.[/QUOTE]


Lebron is living rent free inside your head.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Lebron is living rent free inside your head.[/QUOTE]

I posted the wrong GIF originally that didn't have the old man gimp after the dunk - it's a pretty far cry from his prime.. the man is NOT aging gracefully:


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[QUOTE=FreezingTsmoove]Im sorry Nostradamous can you tell me if my future son is going to marry a bad bitch or nah while your at it?[/QUOTE]
It's true though. Shooters DO last a lot longer than guys who mainly rely on athleticism. Look at guys like Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Mullin, etc.

[QUOTE=3ball]I posted the wrong GIF originally that didn't have the old man gimp after the dunk - it's a pretty far cry from his prime.. the man is NOT aging gracefully:


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LeBron is 30 yrs.old, and on his 12th NBA Season. He already played more games than Mike when he was the same age as the GOAT.

[QUOTE=Smook A.]It's true though. Shooters DO last a lot longer than guys who mainly rely on athleticism. Look at guys like Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Mullin, etc.[/QUOTE]
And MJ.. MJ was a better shooter on ALL shots except 3-pointers - his mid-range shooting ability is what allowed him to 3-peat for a second time at 35 years old.

Ron Artest said MJ was "like Reggie Miller" from mid-range... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url]
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i will be bad,milbuck don't get angry :rant
but mcw decline after his first match :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Achilleas]i will be bad,milbuck don't get angry :rant
but mcw decline after his first match :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

First time I have ever been accused of an alt and its milbuck?!?!?! Smfh

Check my stats retard this isnt the only forum I use troll

[QUOTE=FreezingTsmoove]First time I have ever been accused of an alt and its milbuck?!?!?! Smfh

Check my stats retard this isnt the only forum I use troll[/QUOTE]

lol ,i didn't accuse you for double account
i am sure when milbuck saw the previous comment he will be angry

[QUOTE=3ball]I posted the wrong GIF originally that didn't have the old man gimp after the dunk - it's a pretty far cry from his prime.. the man is NOT aging gracefully:

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Why is that surprising? He's played more minutes than anyone else has by his age and has made it to the finals in 4 consecutive seasons, as well as making it to at least the second round in every season of his career where he's made the playoffs. If he wasn't showing signs of decline it'd be unusual to say to the least.

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]In general players who rely too much in athleticism and high physical risk movements, who re not elite shooters and/or have elite skills.

...

Westbrook[/QUOTE]
I agree. So much of Westbrooks impact is he explosive relentless attack. Foul shots, TOs and field goal % will go down unless he adapts.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Why is that surprising? He's played more minutes than anyone else has by his age and has made it to the finals in 4 consecutive seasons, as well as making it to at least the second round in every season of his career where he's made the playoffs. If he wasn't showing signs of decline it'd be unusual to say to the least.[/QUOTE]
Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he won't age as well.

Plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url]

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he CAN'T age well..

plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url][/QUOTE]

How does that have any bearing on what I said? LeBron should be declining considering the way he plays and the extremely heavy minutes he's logged in the regular season and the playoffs.

I have no idea how Ron Artest saying MJ was harder to defend than LeBron is relevant to that in any way.

[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron's not "Reggie miller from the mid-range", so he won't age as well.

Plus, Ron Artest said MJ was much harder to defend than Lebron:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m57s[/url][/QUOTE]

A 38 year old MJ? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]

Why is that surprising?

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[SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has a much better supporting cast.
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[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has such a great supporting cast.[/QUOTE]


Can't compare the two players. One has a higher skill level and the other has insecurities

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]How does that have any bearing on what I said? [B]LeBron should be declining considering the way he plays and the extremely heavy minutes he's logged in the regular season and the playoffs.[/B]

I have no idea how Ron Artest saying MJ was harder to defend than LeBron is relevant to that in any way.[/QUOTE]
Threw a Ron Artest shoutout in there.

I agree. LeBron has logged ridiculous minutes playing with an agressive style that is impactful. 24 didn't even mention the Olympic obligations cutting short his time for an offseason.

[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"]Because MJ didn't show any decline at 30:[/SIZE]


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For 30 years old, it's a pretty significant decline for Lebron - he's already down to a 25 PER... MJ didn't get that low until he was 35... Good thing Lebron has such a great supporting cast.[/QUOTE]

Jordan started his career later as far as age, that's not a fair comparison and you know it. LeBron also logged heavier playoff minutes through his first ten seasons relative to Jordan.

There hasn't been a player in NBA history with as much minutes based wear and tear as LeBron by age-30, there's no reason he shouldn't be declining.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]J[B]ordan started his career later as far as age, that's not a fair comparison and you know it. LeBron also logged heavier playoff minutes through his first ten seasons relative to Jordan. [/B]

There hasn't been a player in NBA history with as much minutes based wear and tear as LeBron by age-30, there's no reason he shouldn't be declining.[/QUOTE]
Beat me to it. LeBron went straight into an 82 game season.

[QUOTE=ballsohard247]

Beat me to it. LeBron went straight into an 82 game season.

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Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is declining and finished - so MJ's huge statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.

[QUOTE=3ball]Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is done - so MJ's statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.[/QUOTE]

Can you seriously f[COLOR="DimGray"]u[/COLOR]ck off? No one said his prime did, or should, reach MJ levels.

Fact of the matter is that LeBron has shouldered a heavier load than anyone else in basketball history as far as minutes, not only is his decline inevitable but it should be occurring earlier than it did for someone like Jordan. We're talking about declining athletes, your incessant agenda doesn't belong.

[QUOTE=3ball]Let me get this straight.

We all know Lebron's prime failed to reach MJ's level, and now you're saying Lebron is declining and finished - so MJ's huge statistical and performance advantage will only grow even more from here on out?

That's cool.. We agree.[/QUOTE]
Not really. LeBron might alter his game in his later years as mid to low post scorer who focuses more on setting up rising beast Kyrie to fully realize his potential.

Sure, maybe when he is 34 we will look back fondly as his huge scoring outbursts like the 61 (62?) against Charlotte missing that stage of his career or maybe he will have a more creative post and effective post/paint game and reduce his shot attempts to find opportunites for Kyrie to shine maybe break 10 assists a game. Maybe more Magic than Mj in his twilight years.

That and maybe he will win a few more titles and Finals MVPs.

I am disapointed in him this year and I fear he is declining ATHLETICALLY but leaving Miami for a team with a new coach, system and other players new to the team also contribute to his loss of efficacy.

[QUOTE=RonSwanson]Melo. [B]He'll never get that championship[/B][/QUOTE]

negged.

it will be Lebron for sure, even if you hate him you can't deny he is just a special physical specimen whom many, even his haters, look upto as basically a hero in terms of human ability and athleticism. When he declines its going to be a stark reminder to all of us that noone can escape the jagged claws of father time.

I don't see how Westbrook can keep this pace. Seems like he's getting multiple surgeries every season.

Rose?

And actually, Rose would be more BRoy.


I think Russ will end up declining alah Wade.

Lebron already has 11 years of putting up atleast 25 ppg, and has averaged 40 minutes per game over 12 years, playing 10 seasons of at least 75 regular season games.

As a comparison people constantly talk about Kobe incredible longevity, he has 12 years of putting up at least 25 ppg, has averaged 37 mins per game and has 9 seasons of at least 75 games in the regular season.

Both have 5 seasons of at least 20 games in the playoffs, Lebron averaging 43 mpg compared to Kobe 39 minutes.

Lebron superstar longevity > Kobe after this year. Of course he is due a decline.

[QUOTE=ballsohard247]

[SIZE="3"]LeBron could become a mid to low post scorer [/SIZE]

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Oh wait, you mean he's not already elite at that?

MJ was GOAT at everything: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url].

Of course, thru the age of 30 (MJ's 1st three-peat), MJ shot 35.2% from 3-point range in the playoffs, and 40.7% in the Finals, compared to only 33.3% and 31.2% for Lebron.. Here's a comparison of all their stats [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369391][u]thru 30 years old[/u][/url].


[QUOTE=ballsohard247]

Maybe Lebron will be more Magic than Mj in his twilight years.

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This implies that Lebron [I]currently[/I] plays like MJ.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)


[quote=ballsohard247]

other players new to the team also contribute to Lebron's loss of efficacy.

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:rolleyes: ... Leave out the euphemisms.. Brass taxes: Lebron has a ton of help - he has the most supporting talent of anyone in the league, so he doesn't need to do as much, just like when he went to Miami.

Other than 2014 when Wade broke down, Lebron's teams have been the most stacked in the league for 5 years running.. Here's proof: for the last 5 seasons, his team is the only team in the league with 3 All-Stars (other than Love missing it this yr).
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[QUOTE=3ball]Oh wait, you mean he's not already elite at that?

MJ was GOAT at everything: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url].



This implies that Lebron plays like MJ now.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)



:rolleyes: ... Leave out the euphemisms.. Brass taxes: Lebron has a ton of help - he has the most supporting talent of anyone in the league, so he doesn't need to do as much, just like when he went to Miami.

Other than 2014 when Wade broke down, Lebron's teams have been the most stacked in the league for 5 years running.. Here's proof: for the last 5 seasons, his team is the only team in the league with 3 All-Stars (other than Love missing it this yr).
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no gifs :cry:

[QUOTE=3ball]
This implies that Lebron plays like MJ now.. Lebron plays nothing like MJ.. Lebron is a massive ball-dominator whose scoring is nowhere near GOAT (only 28 PPG in playoffs, 24 PPG in Finals), while MJ is the GOAT scorer [I]as an off-ball player[/I] (34 PPG playoffs, 34 PPG in Finals)
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MJ averaged 33 ppg in the playoffs, you don't round up 33.4 you little bitch

Lebron is going to surpass MJ eventually

Theres a reason why 3ball is so insecure.... he can sniff LBJ's greatness

:biggums:


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358589&page=8][u]destroying screen roll shading[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355658&page=44][u]threading needles with tougher passes as required by no-spacing[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10906020&postcount=41][u]the MJ hop-step[/u][/url]


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11021030&postcount=6][u]Other collections of footage[/u][/url] analyzing MJ vs. the best defenders and stars of his era..
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[QUOTE=3ball]:biggums:


[url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861649&postcount=3][u]low post scoring[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10862372&postcount=18][u]off-ball play[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11181251&postcount=44][u]mid-range shooting[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10861764&postcount=7][u]mid-range repertoire[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353826][u]rim attack[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10422917&postcount=172][u]drop-step ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/01/michael-jordan-point-guard-in-1989-posted-triple-double-10-of-11-games][u]point guard ability[/u][/url], [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10699081&postcount=10][u]beating perimeter double teams[/u][/url][/QUOTE]

son, I love jordan as much as any basketball fan, but to say he was goat at these things is just ridiculous (better pg than magic?, better low post than hakeem?, better drop step than shaq? I know you a great fan but :roll: )

Even if we discuss only about SGs he is only the goat in mid-range repertoire and rim attacking (debatable actually).

Others clearly:
rebounded better (fat lever)
played off-ball better (ray allen, reggie miller)
shot the 3 better (many)
played the high post better (kobe)
drop stepped better (carter)
played pg better (wade, penny, combo guards)
or beat double teams more (kobe, rule changes).


PS: I like em gifs in the posts, not referenced. Don't start half assing it :no:

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]

Lebron is going to surpass MJ eventually

Theres a reason why 3ball is so insecure.... he can sniff LBJ's greatness

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nah, it's just really fun clowning lebeta and rubbing his stans faces in it

[QUOTE=3ball]nah, it's just really fun clowning lebeta and rubbing his stans faces in MJ's greatness[/QUOTE]
Lebron>>>

Jordan is old as fvck

get with the times bruh