Spanoulis takes Olimpiakos to Euroleague final

...against arguably Europe's best team CSKA Moscow.

I mean, I can't remember a tougher game in terms of defensive pressure and physical intensity.

It was ugly, you couldn't get a clean look to save your life.

Spanoulis sucked for 20 minutes or so. Coach takes him out and brings him back in the 4th, with CSKA up a couple of points (they were up by 8 at most).

In a rythm where each point feels like you scored 5, he sinks three contested three pointers (including the last one that seals the game) and one in your face rainbow jumper (13 points in total, 11 in the last quarter).

He played stonefaced the whole game, including this last quarter, no emotions whatsoever. He is 7-0 in final four games in his career.

One of the most incredible performances I have ever seen, hands down.

2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub is Lebron James in Euroleague:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol

Wilt Chamberlain

wtf are you talking about

Did Real Madrid win their game? Can't wait for them to rip Vagisillis Spoonless a new one and have Euroleague crying that the game was rigged.

He was so bad in the first half, but won the game for Oly as per usual...

[QUOTE=MP.Trey]Did Real Madrid win their game? Can't wait for them to rip Vagisillis Spoonless a new one and have Euroleague crying that the game was rigged.[/QUOTE]
They start in about 45 minutes, but Fener got that on lock :D

[QUOTE=Nick Young]2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub [B]is Lebron James in Euroleague[/B]:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol[/QUOTE]

[B]He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I].[/B] Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.

replace his team with the cavs against the bulls and i dont think they'd put up 20 points

[QUOTE=Euroleague]He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.[/QUOTE]
Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub is Lebron James in Euroleague:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol[/QUOTE]

You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.

[QUOTE=Euroleague][B]He's Kwame Brown of Euroleague [I]at maximum[/I].[/B] Same effect Kwame had, only playing with vastly inferior teams, with much weaker defenses, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison but are still equivalent to low tier D-League squads.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

[QUOTE=Euroleague][B]He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I].[/B] Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.[/QUOTE]
Let's check out some exciting Spanoulis highlights
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JqiaYG-TVk[/url]

Olimpiakos would beat the Cavs.

[QUOTE=fandarko]You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.[/QUOTE]

Euroleague has actually been lobbying to change to the NBA court and 3 point line, but FIBA won't allow it because that would affect all of the national leagues and federations. It is interesting though that in FIBA's new premiere league proposal, they suggested that the rules should be made uniform with the NBA by 2017.

However, both FIBA and Euroleague are 100% against the true zone defense being removed, because that would turn their game into an entertainment show like the NBA.

I agree that they need to open up the floor a little bit and make the court dimensions and 3 point shot the same though. The spacing is too crowded. A huge and very athletic team like CSKA (which is huge and extremely athletic compared to any NBA team) just wreaks havoc under the FIBA court and rules.

this is the michael jordan of the euroleague guys:













































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:applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Euroleague][B]He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague [I]at minimum[/I].[/B] Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.[/QUOTE]

Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.

He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.

The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.

The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.

It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.

I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.

It's like comparing oranges to apples.

[QUOTE=fandarko]You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.[/QUOTE]
So in a league where there is more spacing and worse defense Spanoulis could only average 2.8 ppg a game and couldn't even beat out Rafer Alston for a starting guard spot? :confusedshrug:

Euroleague is a ****ing joke. I'd rather watch the WNBA, much higher level of basketball.

Is he better than the other Euroleague Michael Jordan aka Anthony Parker?
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[QUOTE=Milbuck]Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.[/QUOTE]

CSKA

SF Sonny Weems/Andrei Kirilenko
PF Andrei Vorontsevich/Victor Khryapa

When healthy, 3 of 4 players are better than Nikola Mirotic, and the one that is not (Weems) is 10 times less of a pu$$y than Mirotic is and is also better than him on defense. Which means he could actually be more useful than him in serious basketball.

Yet, Mirotic was out there in the Bulls - Cavs playoffs series quite a bit, and people are claiming the Bulls want to fire Thibodeau for not playing him more....

Yeah, that is some "high school JV level competition".....

[B]Lay off the crack pipe.[/B]

:biggums:

[QUOTE=Euroleague]CSKA

SF Sonny Weems/Andrei Kirilenko
PF Andrei Vorontsevich/Victor Khryapa

When healthy, 3 of 4 players are better than Nikola Mirotic, and the one that is not (Weems) is 10 times less of a pu$$y than Mirotic is and is also better than him on defense. Which means he could actually be more useful than him in serious basketball.

Yet, Mirotic was out there in the Bulls - Cavs playoffs series quite a bit, and people are claiming the Bulls want to fire Thibodeau for not playing him more....

Yeah, that is some "high school JV level competition".....

[B]Lay off the crack pipe.[/B]

:biggums:[/QUOTE]
Mirotic is the 2nd greatest Euroleague player of all time just behind Giannis. Show some respect.

[QUOTE=fandarko]Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.

He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.

The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.

The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.

It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.

I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.

It's like comparing oranges to apples.[/QUOTE]

I meant by impact.

Spanoulis is not past his prime. He actually gets better every year, similar to players like Nash and Olajuwon.

CSKA simply put huge and extremely athletic defenders on him and stacked the paint (not even allowed under NBA rules) and then if he made a drive, they sent 2 weak side shot blockers at him.

It just took him awhile to figure out tactically what their defense was, which was quite smart by Itoudis, who knows him extremely well, since he coached him for 4 years in a club and also several years in national team play.

Once he figured out what they were doing, he took his time and picked the hell out of them, by taking Vorontsevich and De Colo out on the elbow in ISO where they could not get help on switches and no weak side help either. Then he destroyed them.

A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

seriously, who watches that shit? and why does op feel devotion?

Spanoulis was 4/15 shooting the ball (26%) if anyone cares.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]Euroleague is a ****ing joke. I'd rather watch the WNBA, much higher level of basketball.[/QUOTE]

You clearly don't have a clue, any debate is pointless.

Like I said, it's a completely different game.

You should ask any US player who plays there how hard it is to score the ball.

How complicated it is to get minutes.

A child would say "Harden would average 30 there".

But Harden wouldn't play more than 27-28 minutes in a top Euroleague team.

He would have to play defense.

He wouldn't get nearly as many touches.

He would have to rely more on his outside scoring, forget about driving to the basket as much as he does.

Forget about having the green light to shoot it every time you want.

It's team first.

Granted, the top 20-40 players would be equally successful (thought their numbers would probably be slightly down).

But for everybody else - it would be a complicated process to adjust, if ever.

Because IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME.

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]:oldlol:

seriously, who watches that shit? and why does op feel devotion?[/QUOTE]

Hicks from Arkansas and people in Europe who don't get the NBA on TV. :lol

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Spanoulis was 4/15 shooting the ball (26%) if anyone cares.[/QUOTE]

He scored these four field goals in the clutch (3-3 from three and 1-1 from two).

Without having watched the game you can't grasp the level of intensity and pressure. It was point for point.

Spanoulis shot 26%, Printezis carried him once again (just like he did vs Barca hitting the game winner).

4-15, 26%.

[QUOTE=fandarko][IMG]http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:sleeping

NBA > NCAA > WNBA > High School basketball > Euroleague.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.[/QUOTE]

It's like saying that the Harison twins are better than the late Drazen Petrovic ever was.

I can't think of anything more clueless.

[QUOTE=fandarko]He scored these four field goals in the clutch (3-3 from three and 1-1 from two).

Without having watched the game you can't grasp the level of intensity and pressure. It was point for point.[/QUOTE]

Coach Nick will probably soon do a breakdown of the game, and claim that "an average mid major college team in the US can beat either one of those teams"...........

:rolleyes:

Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:

[QUOTE=fandarko]It's like saying that the Harison twins are better than the late Drazen Petrovic ever was.

I can't think of anything more clueless.[/QUOTE]

No, it isn't.

Petrovic put up 22.3 PPG on near 50-40-90 shooting in the NBA during the 1992-1993 season. Spanoulis was shit in the NBA.

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]:sleeping

NBA > NCAA > WNBA > High School basketball > Euroleague.[/QUOTE]

It's actually NBA>Euroleague>Eurocup>European national leagues>NCAA.

NCAA should not even be in the discussion, since it's manned by kids and not grown men.

amazing performance in the clutch. hit some insane shots

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]No, it isn't.

Petrovic put up 22.3 PPG on near 50-40-90 shooting in the NBA during the 1992-1993 season. Spanoulis was shit in the NBA.[/QUOTE]


It was a situational thing. It wasn't meant to be, he didn't really wanted it, they didn't give him a chance.

Petrovic was benched by Adelman in 1989 in Portland and averaged 7 ppg (the year before in Madrid he averaged 30) while he could have averaged 20 for a different team easily.

I for one don't believe that Spanoulis' game is suited for the NBA.

The former European great Zarko Paspalj was shit for the Spurs in the late 80s due to a complicated set of circumstances (played for Larry Brown in a forward-stacked Spurs team) and he was one of the best forwards that has ever played the game.

It's difficult to compare. But you put any NBA sophomore in the situation Spanoulis was tonight and they produce a blank sheet.

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman]Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=fandarko]Excuses.[/QUOTE]

Spanoulis is crap.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Coach Nick will probably soon do a breakdown of the game, and claim that "an average mid major college team in the US can beat either one of those teams"...........

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

CSKA-Kentucky 112-59

Real Madrid Duke 121-47.

I reckon it's a fair estimate.


The same would happen to these colleges against NBA teams, if they'd really try.