Remember when 34-35 year old MJ was more dominant than 2000 Shaq?

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[COLOR="White"].........[/COLOR][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="3"][I][B]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/B][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url] [B][SIZE="1"][COLOR="Green"]<---- these are links to nba.com data[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]


[I][B]SHAQ 2000[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]35.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs]34.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]39.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]38.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]43.9[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2001[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]33.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]38.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs]33.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]35.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]26.2[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2002[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]33.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]35.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs]33.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]25.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]38.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]28.2[/url]




[COLOR="White"].......[/COLOR][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="3"][I][B]Percentages of team points [COLOR="Red"]+ assists[/COLOR] while player was on floor[/B][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]57.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]63.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]64.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]84.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]73.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]91.1[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]54.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]53.6[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]59.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]76.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]58.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]69.1[/url]


[I][B]SHAQ 2000[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]53.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]59.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs]49.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]55.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]48.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]64.5[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2001[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]52.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]56.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs]49.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]54.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]57.4[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]59.5[/url]
[I][B]SHAQ 2002[/B][/I]....... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]51.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]51.9[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs]49.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]44.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]55.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]54.9[/url]



The stats show that old MJ scored a far higher proportion of his teams points than prime Shaq, especially in the 4th... (Shaq had twice the rebounds and blocks, but MJ had twice the assists and steals, so we're left with the scoring shown above).

These stats shouldn't be a surprise - think about it - in 1997 and 1998, Shaq was in his prime too, but you never heard about Shaq - MJ was the best player in the game.. He won MVP in 1998 over Shaq.. He also destroyed the Jazz in 1997 and 1998 Finals, while Shaq's Lakers lost 4-1 and 4-0 to the same Jazz..

And Shaq's 1997 and 1998 Lakers were stacked to the brim - in 1997, they had all-star Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Cedric Ceballos, Robert Horry, Elden Campbell (15/8 and 1.5 blk), and rookie Kobe (8 ppg in 16 minutes).. But they were destroyed 4-1 by the Utah Jazz in ECSF... Jordan went on to dominate the Jazz in the Finals, with the game-winner in Game 1, the game-winner in Game 5 (flu game), and the series-winning assist to Kerr in Game 6 (which spear-headed Kerr's career).

In 1998, Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers (Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe) were FAR more talented than the Jordan's old Bulls, but were swept AGAIN by the Utah Jazz.. Once again, MJ ripped the Jazz's heart out in the Finals, despite Pippen's 15 ppg on 41% and Rodman's horrific 4/8 averages (his old, washed-up ass wasn't even a starter).
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Alright now you're just literally repeating yourself. I feel bad for you, man. It can be tough to get out of comfort zones and to learn to conquer fixations, but it is possible. Sure, I'm an anonymous dude on the internet, but I hope you at least consider the possibility of doing these things.

[QUOTE=brooks_thompson]Alright now you're just literally repeating yourself. I feel bad for you, man. It can be tough to get out of comfort zones and to learn to conquer fixations, but it is possible. Sure, I'm an anonymous dude on the internet, but I hope you at least consider the possibility of doing these things.[/QUOTE]

You should see this guy's Michael Jordan archive on his computer:

[LIST][*]a folder for photoshopped dick pics[*]a folder for essays[*]a folder for .gifs[*]...it goes on.[/LIST]

He's linked countless YouTube videos with time marks just to show MJ plays. Like multi-hour long videos and he has them all marked down exactly. He always has them on demand. I can't imagine how many notes and stats this guy keeps for this.

[QUOTE=brooks_thompson]Alright now you're just literally repeating yourself. I feel bad for you, man. It can be tough to get out of comfort zones and to learn to conquer fixations, but it is possible. Sure, I'm an anonymous dude on the internet, but I hope you at least consider the possibility of doing these things.[/QUOTE]
by the look at your join date, you've been "fixated" on being an anonymous dude on the internet a lot longer than me... 4 years longer.

i hope you can get some help soon bud... 7 years... yikes

Anyone seen that Seinfeld episode?? This is a classic example of what happens when a guy doesn't get any sex:oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ball]by the look at your join date, you've been "fixated" on being an anonymous dude on the internet a lot longer than me... 4 years longer.

i hope you can get some help soon bud... 7 years... yikes[/QUOTE]

If you truly enjoy doing what you're doing, then hey, fire away

[QUOTE=coin24]Anyone seen that Seinfeld episode?? This is a classic example of what happens when a guy doesn't get any sex:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:roll:
3ball is under house arrest for molesting his neighbors dog

[QUOTE=3ball]by the look at your join date, you've been "fixated" on being an anonymous dude on the internet a lot longer than me... 4 years longer.

i hope you can get some help soon bud... 7 years... yikes[/QUOTE]
In comparison to a nut case that can't help himself? He's fine. Why not show everyone the notes for how many thousand posts and accounts you've devoted to your drug of choice trainwreck? Didn't think so.

And to the topic 3 words:

Context
never
/thread.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]

In comparison to a nut case that can't help himself? He's fine.

[/quote]
Your literally defending an anonymous poster who you don't know... He could be a child molester - we know he's had an online fixation for at least 7 years.


[quote=sdot_thadon]

And to the topic 3 words:

[B][COLOR="Blue"]Context[/COLOR][/B]
never
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What context?... The data speaks for itself.

In 2000, Kobe averaged 15 ppg on 35% in 2000 Finals - amazingly, that's worse than Pippen's 15 ppg on 41% in 1998 Finals - so Kobe was providing LESS help than Pippen, but Shaq was still scoring a far lower proportion of his team's points than MJ.

34-35 year old MJ was simply much more dominant than Shaq... Deal with it without coming to the defense of potential child molesters.

No I don't recall that, because it simply was not true.

A 2000 Shaq was FAR more dominant than a 34-35 year old MJ, and nothing you have shown proves anything different.

Nor, am I going to waste my time constantly destroying these ridiculous assertions of your's.

A 2000 Shaq >>>> a 34-35 year old Jordan.

Just deal with it and move on to some other MJ vs whoever topic you want to start.

I'd choose MJ for the deciding game at age 34-35.
But Shaq 00 overall was definitely better and had better seasons.

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]:roll:
3ball is under house arrest for molesting his neighbors dog[/QUOTE]
Not surprising.

[QUOTE=Pushxx]You should see this guy's Michael Jordan archive on his computer:

[LIST][*]a folder for photoshopped dick pics[*]a folder for essays[*]a folder for .gifs[*]...it goes on.[/LIST]

He's linked countless YouTube videos with time marks just to show MJ plays. Like multi-hour long videos and he has them all marked down exactly. He always has them on demand. I can't imagine how many notes and stats this guy keeps for this.[/QUOTE]

You have to admit he is the GOAT MJ archivist. If I want to know what MJ had for dinner on March 17 1996 3ball will have it.

I look at the stats. In all of them, Jordan has a higher usage rate and higher percentage of his team's FGA. So theres that

[QUOTE=Chadwin]You have to admit he is the GOAT MJ archivist. If I want to know what MJ had for dinner on March 17 1996 3ball will have it.[/QUOTE]
Probably still has the to-go box.

Maybe Shaq's teammates were scoring more because their defenders were busy doubling and tripling Shaq. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=KobesFinger]I look at the stats. In all of them, Jordan has a higher usage rate and higher percentage of his team's FGA. So theres that[/QUOTE]
Does that make him a more dominant player?
No

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Does that make him a more dominant player?
No[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I'm pointing out that he scored more points because he took more shots

[QUOTE=KobesFinger]Exactly. I'm pointing out that he scored more points because he took more shots[/QUOTE]
Gotcha gotcha.

3balls will come back with something about how Jordan HAD to take more shots.

Nobody remembers because it never happened.

Peak Shaq is on the level of peak Jordan as far as impact goes. Second three-peat Jordan is like a smarter version of Kobe, but without the athletic prowess from 1990-1993.

Post a few *gifs to spruce up this non-topic. :cheers:

OP is the most sensitive poster on ISH.

It's getting sad...

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]No I don't recall that, because it simply was not true.

A 2000 Shaq was FAR more dominant than a 34-35 year old MJ, and nothing you have shown proves anything different.

Nor, am I going to waste my time constantly destroying these ridiculous assertions of your's.

A 2000 Shaq >>>> a 34-35 year old Jordan.

Just deal with it and move on to some other MJ vs whoever topic you want to start.[/QUOTE]

There's never been a player in NBA history that was "far more dominant" than MJ at 34-35. He was still, a great, great player, the best in the league and better than Shaq or any other player in 97 and 98. In fact, he's the probably the greatest player we've ever seen at ages 34 and 35. Don't let 3Ball's posts goad you too far.

I will agree that 2000 peak Shaq was more dominant than Jordan at 35 and probably 34. Peak Jordan from 88-93 is another story altogether. And even though Shaq was more dominant, there were things Jordan did on the court in 97 and 98 that Shaq could never approach, particularly clutch/big moment scoring, something Shaq (and really most great bigs) was never known for.

[QUOTE=Elosha]I will agree that 2000 peak Shaq was more dominant than Jordan at 35 and probably 34. Peak Jordan from 88-93 is another story altogether. And even though Shaq was more dominant, there were things Jordan did on the court in 97 and 98 that [B]Shaq could never approach, particularly clutch/big moment scoring, something Shaq (and really most great bigs) was never known for.[/B][/QUOTE]
Pure BS right here.

:hammerhead:

[QUOTE=Elosha]There's never been a player in NBA history that was "far more dominant" than MJ at 34-35. He was still, a great, great player, the best in the league and better than Shaq or any other player in 97 and 98. In fact, he's the probably the greatest player we've ever seen at ages 34 and 35. Don't let 3Ball's posts goad you too far.

I will agree that 2000 peak Shaq was more dominant than Jordan at 35 and probably 34. Peak Jordan from 88-93 is another story altogether. And even though Shaq was more dominant, there were things Jordan did on the court in 97 and 98 that Shaq could never approach, particularly clutch/big moment scoring, something Shaq (and really most great bigs) was never known for.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...I do apologize.

But this idiot just constantly throws up these stupid topics, and I have no reason to know why.

Virtually every semi-intelligent poster on this forum has MJ ranked very near, or at the top, of their all-time lists.

And we don't need him disparaging other greats in order to prop up Jordan. Nor do we need to read about just how pathetic MJ's supporting casts were, either. He didn't win anything until he had quality rosters.

[QUOTE=Odinn]Pure BS right here.[/QUOTE]

Show me examples of Shaq hitting multiple clutch shots in the 4th quarter, and increasing his scoring overall in the 4th. Show me his game winners. I can think of only one in the regular season, none in playoffs. Because of his poor FT shooting ability, he was often a liability in close games down the stretch. Honestly, Shaq would often disappear in the fourth quarter during his prime. Kobe was always their closer.

The OP is a joke. 2000 Shaq is easily better than 1997 and 1998 Jordan.

This time LAZERUSS is 100% right.




As for peak Shaq vs. peak Jordan even that's not clear cut to say the least.

[QUOTE=Elosha]Show me examples of Shaq hitting multiple clutch shots in the 4th quarter, and increasing his scoring overall in the 4th. Show me his game winners. I can think of only one in the regular season, none in playoffs. Because of his poor FT shooting ability, he was often a liability in close games down the stretch. Honestly, Shaq would often disappear in the fourth quarter during his prime. Kobe was always their closer.[/QUOTE]
You are ignorant. You are that ignorant to not to admit you are ignorant. That's the level.

Shaq averaged 9.0 ppg in 4th quarters in 2000 playoffs.
For comparison; Jordan averaged in 9.7 in 1997 playoffs and 9.0 in 1998 playoffs, Dirk averaged 9.9 in 2011 playoffs, Durant averaged 8.3 in 2012 playoffs. (these are year leaders)

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Yeah...I do apologize.

But this idiot just constantly throws up these stupid topics, and I have no reason to know why.

Virtually every semi-intelligent poster on this forum has MJ ranked very near, or at the top, of their all-time lists.

And we don't need him disparaging other greats in order to prop up Jordan. Nor do we need to read about just how pathetic MJ's supporting casts were, either. He didn't win anything until he had quality rosters.[/QUOTE]
Fully agree.

What the hell is this crap?

Scoring a higher percentage of your team's points does not mean you are a more dominant player. Geez, your team can suck balls and you score 80% of your team's points, but still be a mediocre player.

And Kobe was with Shaq and also dominant those years too. That made the Lakers even more powerful. So what if it lowered Shaq's percentage of the Laker's total points? It didn't make him less dominant.

96 and 97 Jordan close to 2000 Shaq . But 98 Jordan averaged 4 reb and 2 ast with less than %55 TS in 98 finals . Beside of 98-03 Shaq , 98 Jordan isn't better than even 2001 Kobe .

[QUOTE=feyki]96 and 97 Jordan close to 2000 Shaq . But 98 Jordan averaged 4 reb and 2 ast with less than %55 TS in 98 finals . Beside of 98-03 Shaq , [COLOR="Red"][B]98 Jordan isn't better than even 2001 Kobe [/B][/COLOR].[/QUOTE]

1997-98 MJ (age 35):

[B]RS: 28.7 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 3.5 APG, 25.2 PER
Playoffs: 32.4 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 28.1 PER[/B]

[B]MVP, FMVP, ASG MVP, All-NBA 1st team, All-NBA Defensive 1st team[/B]



2000-01 Kobe (age 23):

[B]RS: 28.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 24.5 PER
Playoffs: 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 25.0 PER
[/B]

By 1997, Jordan had really regressed defensively from his peak years. 2001 Kobe was the better defensive player.

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[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]1997-98 MJ (age 35):

[B]RS: 28.7 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 3.5 APG, 25.2 PER
Playoffs: 32.4 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 28.1 PER[/B]

[B]MVP, FMVP, ASG MVP, All-NBA 1st team, All-NBA Defensive 1st team[/B]



2000-01 Kobe (age 23):

[B]RS: 28.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 24.5 PER
Playoffs: 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 25.0 PER
[/B][/QUOTE]

Kobe at 2001 Playoffs (100 Poss) ;

35.5 pts , 9 reb , 7 ast , 2 stl , 1 blk , 4 to , %55.5 TS , 116 Ortg ( Against 100 Drtg Teams ) , 99 Drtg ( Against 107 Ortg Teams )

Jordan ;

44.5 pts , 7 reb , 5 ast , 2 stl , 1 blk , 3 to , %54.5 TS , 117 Ortg (Against 104 Drtg Teams ) , 102 Drtg ( Against 110 Drtg Teams )

Jordan just took more shots against far worse defensive teams .

Kobe played better all around game . 2 more boards , 2.5 more assists and %1 better shooting .

[QUOTE=feyki]Kobe at 2001 Playoffs (100 Poss) ;

35.5 pts , 9 reb , 7 ast , 2 stl , 1 blk , 4 to , %55.5 TS , 116 Ortg ( Against 100 Drtg Teams ) , 99 Drtg ( Against 107 Ortg Teams )

Jordan ;

44.5 pts , 7 reb , 5 ast , 2 stl , 1 blk , 3 to , %54.5 TS , 117 Ortg (Against 104 Drtg Teams ) , 102 Drtg ( Against 110 Drtg Teams )

Jordan just took more shots against far worse defensive teams .

Kobe played better all around game . 2 more boards , 2.5 more assists and %1 better shooting .[/QUOTE]
Birader, bir siktir git. Mallığını mı ispat etmeye

[QUOTE=KobesFinger]

[COLOR="Red"][B]I look at the stats. In all of them, Jordan has a higher usage rate.. So theres that
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What's your point?... All you've done is show MJ was required to carry a bigger load (higher usage) than Shaq.

Are you going to make the ridiculous argument that MJ didn't NEED to have 33-35% usage?... Okay, well neither did Shaq - Shaq's usage didn't NEED to be 31-32%.. See how dumb that argument is - it could be used for every player in history.

Phil went 6/6 with MJ having the highest usage, thus carrying the heaviest load - I'm sure he'd agree that was the best way for that team to succeed... 6/6 don't lie.

Also, compare the proportion of 4th quarter scoring - Jordan's was 7 percentage points higher in 1997/1998 playoffs and Finals than Shaq's 2000... And in 2001/2002 when Kobe started giving Shaq GOAT help, MJ scored TWICE the proportion of his team's 4th quarter points than Shaq did in those years (literally 50% to 25% advantage) - so it's not even close.. 1997 and 1998 MJ was greater.
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[QUOTE=Odinn]Birader, bir siktir git. Mallığını mı ispat etmeye