Chamberlain with 21 KNOWN Playoff Triple Doubles

Chamberlain had a KNOWN [B]21[/B] playoff Triple-Doubles, [B]12[/B] of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]7[/COLOR][/B] of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.

Data is from nbastats.net, and Julizaver, who is also a contributor to nbastats.net...both of which basketball-reference.com now uses in their data.

Here we go...

1.... 3/26/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 15 rebs, 10 asts
2.... 3/31/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]38 pts[/COLOR][/B], 26 rebs, 10 blks
3.... 4/4/65.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]33 pts[/COLOR][/B], 31 rebs, 11 blks
4.... 4/13/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 26 rebs, 13 blks
5.... 3/22/67... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]37 pts[/COLOR][/B], 27 rebs, 11 asts
6.... 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
7.... 3/31/67... [B]24 pts[/B], 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
8.... 4/9/67.... [B]20 pts[/B], 22 rebs, 10 asts
9.... 4/11/67...[B]29 pts[/B], 36 rebs, 13 asts
10... 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
11... 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
12... 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
13... 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
14... 4/5/70.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]36 pts[/COLOR][/B], 14 rebs, 10 blks
15... 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
16... 4/9/70.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 27 rebs, 12 blks
17... 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
18... 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
19... 4/22/72... [B]20 pts[/B], 24 rebs, 10 blks
20... 5/7/72.... [B]24 pt[/B]s, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8)
21... 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

Also, there are recaps that give Wilt with a 39 pt, 30 reb, 11 blk game on 4/16/64 (nbastats.net had him with an estimated 12.)

And I did not include any estimated block data, but there were 17 more games that would have given Chamberlain triple-doubles with the estimated blocked shots. As well as an estimated 20 blocks in his 3/24/67 game of 16-30-19.

Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

Elias could argue that these blocked shot games were not official, but newspaper recaps have credited Chamberlain with known recorded blocks in those games.

20 out of 21 confirmed against white players under 210 pounds and smoked non filter cigarettes at half time.

Here`s Ilt with his greatest rivaling center :applause:

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF3PFXU-V0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF3PFXU-V0[/URL]

_ilt :applause:

It is also well known ILt is Russell's b!tch in the playoffs. :oldlol:

Nope. Blocks didn't exist until 1973-74 so those don't count.

;)

cool beans tell me moar bro

[SIZE="6"]_ilt[/SIZE]

And that's only since 1965. And 8 of them came against Russell or Thurmond, both top 5 one-on-one defenders in NBA history. :bowdown:
If you include all his seasons, he has a chance of being past Magic as the all-time playoff triple double leader (he practically is the all-time regular season triple double leader, as well).

GOAT.

[QUOTE=Asukal]It is also well known ILt is Russell's b!tch in the playoffs. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

:lol

Ilt is 22nd all time in finals points, behind even the Pippen's over the world :lebronamazed:
He's only 18th all time in playoff points as well :lebronamazed:

Wayyy behind LeTHICK in both:lol

Wit's competition:

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Nice thread :applause: .

All around Wilt was true choice :applause: .

[QUOTE=Psileas]And that's only since 1965. And 8 of them came against Russell or Thurmond, both top 5 one-on-one defenders in NBA history. :bowdown:
If you include all his seasons, he has a chance of being past Magic as the all-time playoff triple double leader (he practically is the all-time regular season triple double leader, as well).

GOAT.[/QUOTE]

And two more against a peak Kareem, and in series-clinching games, as well. In one of them, he blocked 10 shots, and six of them were KAJ's. BTW, in those two series clinching games, Wilt shot 18-33 from the field (.545), while holding Abdul-Jabbar to 23-60 shooting (.383.)

The series clincher against the Hawks in the '64 WDF's was almost a certain triple double, too. I have recaps of 39-30 and between 10-12 blocks.

And again, he most assuredly had another quad-double in game three of the '67 playoffs. Recaps gave him credit for a ton of blocks (and nbastats.net has an estimated 20.)

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]:lol

Ilt is 22nd all time in finals points, behind even the Pippen's over the world :lebronamazed:
He's only 18th all time in playoff points as well :lebronamazed:

Wayyy behind LeTHICK in both:lol[/QUOTE]

Of course, a scoring Wilt just blows Chokurry Zero out of the water as a Warrior. Finals average of 29.2 ppg; playoff average of 34.6 ppg; 36.0 ppg in must win playoff games; the only four 50+ point must-win games by a Top-10 GOAT player; and the Warrior playoff high of 56 points.

Oh, and BTW, virtually everyone, including Barry, himself, would have given the '67 FMVP to Chamberlain, had the ward existed. Think about that...Wilt averaged 17.5 ppg in that Finals, in a series in which Barry averaged 40.8 ppg...and Wilt would have been a unanimous FMVP.

Compare that with 3" LeChoke averaging 35.8 ppg (on a horrific .398 FG% BTW) in last year's Finals...and both he and Chokurry Zero losing out on the FMVP to a role player off the bench. Chokurry ZERO is aptly named.

[QUOTE=kamil]Wit's competition:

[IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/05/59/2c05596c51693fe7b5fea47e96626d19.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]Ilt is well and truly pathetic. Can't even outscore Pippen in the finals !:lol

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Ilt is well and truly pathetic. Can't even outscore Pippen in the finals !:lol[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This coming from a fan of LeFlop?

Talk about weak competition...

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Barea's Bitch.

Chamberlain with a KNOWN FIVE playoff 30+ point, 20+ rebound, Triple-Doubles; and TEN 20+-20+ Triple-Doubles.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Chamberlain had a KNOWN [B]21[/B] playoff Triple-Doubles, [B]12[/B] of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]7[/COLOR][/B] of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.


[B]Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season[/B]. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

[/QUOTE]


There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post [B]you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double[/B]. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

For a player that "dominant" he can only muster 2 rings.

Inb4 excuses i.e. teammates suck

Chamberlain with 40 known playoff choke jobs

[QUOTE=julizaver]There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post [B]you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double[/B]. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.[/QUOTE]

I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season). So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Chamberlain had a KNOWN [B]21[/B] playoff Triple-Doubles, [B]12[/B] of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]7[/COLOR][/B] of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.

Data is from nbastats.net, and Julizaver, who is also a contributor to nbastats.net...both of which basketball-reference.com now uses in their data.

Here we go...

1.... 3/26/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 15 rebs, 10 asts
2.... 3/31/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]38 pts[/COLOR][/B], 26 rebs, 10 blks
3.... 4/4/65.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]33 pts[/COLOR][/B], 31 rebs, 11 blks
4.... 4/13/65... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 26 rebs, 13 blks
5.... 3/22/67... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]37 pts[/COLOR][/B], 27 rebs, 11 asts
6.... 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
7.... 3/31/67... [B]24 pts[/B], 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
8.... 4/9/67.... [B]20 pts[/B], 22 rebs, 10 asts
9.... 4/11/67...[B]29 pts[/B], 36 rebs, 13 asts
10... 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
11... 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
12... 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
13... 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
14... 4/5/70.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]36 pts[/COLOR][/B], 14 rebs, 10 blks
15... 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
16... 4/9/70.... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30 pts[/COLOR][/B], 27 rebs, 12 blks
17... 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
18... 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
19... 4/22/72... [B]20 pts[/B], 24 rebs, 10 blks
20... 5/7/72.... [B]24 pt[/B]s, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8)
21... 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

Also, there are recaps that give Wilt with a 39 pt, 30 reb, 11 blk game on 4/16/64 (nbastats.net had him with an estimated 12.)

And I did not include any estimated block data, but there were 17 more games that would have given Chamberlain triple-doubles with the estimated blocked shots. As well as an estimated 20 blocks in his 3/24/67 game of 16-30-19.

Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

Elias could argue that these blocked shot games were not official, but newspaper recaps have credited Chamberlain with known recorded blocks in those games.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE]There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.[/QUOTE]

So now we have a KNOWN [B]24[/B] Playoff Triple Doubles for Chamberlain, [B]14[/B] of which were [B]20+ point [/B]triple-doubles, and [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]9[/COLOR][/B] of which were [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]30+ point [/COLOR][/B]triples...including the HIGHEST SCORING POST-SEASON TRIPLE DOUBLE IN NBA HISTORY at a staggering... [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]56-35-12[/COLOR][/B].

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[QUOTE=Psileas]I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season). So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. [B]Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game[/B].[/QUOTE]

Chamberlain kicked Russell's ass in that game seven.

[B]18/27/10 [/B]on 7-8 from the field (and yes, the highest TS% of anyone in that game at .621.)

Russell... 6 points, on 2-7 from the field (and a .333 TS%), and 21 rebounds.

[QUOTE=julizaver]There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post [B]you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double[/B]. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.[/QUOTE]

As always. Thanks again.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[QUOTE=Psileas]I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), [B]haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season)[/B]. So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game.[/QUOTE]

I posted a link of article also in ISH, but not able to find it at the moment. There were some bashing of Wilt there as mentioned his huge salary (250 000 a year), but also mentioned that he played good in defense - something like that. If I found it again the article I will repost it.

2nd in regular season scoring - [B]30.1 ppg[/B]
34th in playoff scoring - [B]22.5[/B]
43rd in finals scoring - [B]18.6[/B]

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]2nd in regular season scoring - [B]30.1 ppg[/B]
34th in playoff scoring - [B]22.5[/B]
43rd in finals scoring - [B]18.6[/B]

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:[/QUOTE]

A pre-injured Chamberlain up thru his 67-68 season (his prime) averaged 29.3 ppg, 26.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, and shot .520 from the floor (in post-seasons that shot about .435 in that same span) in his 80 playoff games (half of them.) Think about that...basically a 30-27-5 (and likely 7+ bpg)...on FG%'s that weer nearly a full ten percentage points higher than the post-season league averages. AVERAGED a 30-27-5-7! PER GAME.

Now, a post-injury Wilt statistically matched a PEAK Kareem in their '71 post-season H2H, and in fact, recaps had him with a 3-1-1 edge in those five games.

Furthermore, Wilt was outscored by KAJ in their '72 WCF match-up by a 34 ppg to 12 ppg margin...and guess what? TIME Magazine hailed Chamberlain as DECISIVELY OUTPLAYING a 25 year old Kareem in that SERIES. Of course, one of the main reasons being that over the course of the last foru games of that series, Chamberlain held Kareem to a .414 FG%, and then dominated him in the clinching game six win. BTW, in their two series' clinching H2H's, Wilt outshot Kareem from the floor .545 (18-33) to .383 (23-60.)

The REALITY was, Chamberlain DOMINATED even in his lower scoring post-seasons. And, as you would expect, almost all of those occurred after his injury...or 62 of his 160 post-season games.

You're only confirming what I said above. All those great games were offset by his bad ones. MJ, at the ages of 32-35, 3 peated, won 3 rings, 3 fmvp, 3 regular season mvps and made All-NBA 1st and All-NBA 1st Defense. DSo don't talk about age. For bigs, they age much more gracefully.

Hakeem won his 2 rings when he was 32 and 33. KAJ won FMVP at the age of 37.

Ilt has 2 rings, 1 fmvp. Never led his team in scoring when they won a title. Something was off. Along with Shaq, the league had never seen anyone like him. He was a freak. And he was [B][U]SUPPOSED[/U][/B] to be dominant. Where was he in some playoff series/games when his team needed him most? He lacked that killer instinct inside. He didn't maximize his talents. And I can't accept guys like that. I want guys who did more with less or just guys who maximized their talents versus guys who were blessed with off the charts talents like Ilt and didn't maximize them. He could've done more but he didn't when it mattered most.

Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]You're only confirming what I said above. All those great games were offset by his bad ones. MJ, at the ages of 32-35, 3 peated, won 3 rings, 3 fmvp, 3 regular season mvps and made All-NBA 1st and All-NBA 1st Defense. DSo don't talk about age. For bigs, they age much more gracefully.

Hakeem won his 2 rings when he was 32 and 33. KAJ won FMVP at the age of 37.

Ilt has 2 rings, 1 fmvp. Never led his team in scoring when they won a title. Something was off. Along with Shaq, the league had never seen anyone like him. He was a freak. And he was [B][U]SUPPOSED[/U][/B] to be dominant. Where was he in some playoff series/games when his team needed him most? He lacked that killer instinct inside. He didn't maximize his talents. And I can't accept guys like that. I want guys who did more with less or just guys who maximized their talents versus guys who were blessed with off the charts talents like Ilt and didn't maximize them. He could've done more but he didn't when it mattered most.[/QUOTE]

Chamberlain won a FMVP at age 35. And you are deluding yourself if you don't think Wilt would not have a FMVP in '67 had the award existed (BTW...in a Finals in which Barry averaged 41 ppg.)

Wilt faced RUSSELL... EIGHT TIMES... in his post-season career. And all but one in either round one, or two. BTW, MJ's numbers declined considerably in his four playoff series against the Bad Boys; Shaq's fell off considerably against the Robinson Spurs in his four post-season H2H's,; and Kareem's fell off the cliff in his post-season H2H's against Wilt and Thurmond. Why?

I have posted Wilt's 37 "must win" and "series clinching" games before, and you would be hard-pressed to find 3-4 in which he played poorly. He AVERAGED 29.5 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .546 in those 37 games...all while brutalizing his opposing HOF centers. Just KILLED them.

I could go on, but you obviously have done ZERO research on Chamberlain. Why bother?

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.[/QUOTE]

Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Chamberlain won a FMVP at age 35. And you are deluding yourself if you don't think Wilt would not have a FMVP in '67 had the award existed (BTW...in a Finals in which Barry averaged 41 ppg.)

Wilt faced RUSSELL... EIGHT TIMES... in his post-season career. And all but one in either round one, or two. BTW, MJ's numbers declined considerably in his four playoff series against the Bad Boys; Shaq's fell off considerably against the Robinson Spurs in his four post-season H2H's,; and Kareem's fell off the cliff in his post-season H2H's against Wilt and Thurmond. Why?

I have posted Wilt's 37 "must win" and "series clinching" games before, and you would be hard-pressed to find 3-4 in which he played poorly. He AVERAGED 29.5 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .546 in those 37 games...all while brutalizing his opposing HOF centers. Just KILLED them.

I could go on, but you obviously have done ZERO research on Chamberlain. Why bother?[/QUOTE]

MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

[B]1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG[/B]

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)[/QUOTE]

So basically:

[B]Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles [/B]

Got it.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

[B]1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG[/B]

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.[/QUOTE]

Jordan's regular season numbers were considerably higher...especially against the prime Bad Boys from '88 thru '90.

How about Wilt's against Russell and his swarming teammates?

30.5 ppg
33.6 ppg
29.2 ppg
28.0 ppg
30.1 ppg

21.6 ppg in series in which he and his equal supporting cast just annihilated Russell's eight time defending champs.

BTW, Jordan didn't win shit until he had a roster, that went an injury-decimated 55-27 without him (and with Pippen and Grant missing a combined 22 games.) Easily a 60+ win roster...all basically with Pete Myers replacing MJ.

Without Pippen... 1-9. In his highest scoring regular season...0-3 and blowout losses.

John Wooden said it best...swap Russell and Wilt's supporting casts, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]So basically:

[B]Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles [/B]

Got it.[/QUOTE]

Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0, (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]2nd in regular season scoring - [B]30.1 ppg[/B]
34th in playoff scoring - [B]22.5[/B]
43rd in finals scoring - [B]18.6[/B]

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:[/QUOTE]

I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).

with all these great numbers in a huge deal of playoff games and seeing the amount of rings ilt has I conclude:

stat padder

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS][B]Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0[/B], (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.[/QUOTE]

You're a freaken buffoon. You bring ZERO objectivity to the table. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=julizaver]I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
[B]You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit[/B]. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

[B]Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll[/B]. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).[/QUOTE]

You Wilt fans are a joke. You can't concede ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Jesus Christ. You guys are the most dense fans on this board. Maybe it has to do with your age or something but damn. It's like talking to a brick wall. :banghead:

I'm an MJ fan. I can openly admit that he didn't play optimal ball in his first few years in the league. He didn't know how to make his teammates better yet and tried to do too much himself. And therefore, you can argue he didn't have as much playoff success right off the bat had he played optimal ball. But being able to master the ability to play like a TRUE superstar and know when to take over and when to get others involved takes time. And MJ eventually figured it out.

There, was it that hard? :banghead: