Here's Why The Right Comes After AOC So Hard.......

On another thread I commented about the right being scared of AOC, and Chewing, like the simple minded twit he is replied with something typically insightful like "Duh, why would they be scared of that horseface?" Yes, I know an expected brilliant take from him. If he had any semblance of the ability to analyze the attitudes of society at large, he'd understand that yelling "Socialism!!!" at anyone who dares to critique income inequality as a way to shut them up doesn't work anymore. Even REPUBLICANS (though not their leaders) waking up, as recent polls indicate.

[URL="https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/04/democrats-taxes-economy-policy-2020-1144874"]https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/04/democrats-taxes-economy-policy-2020-1144874[/URL]

[B]But polling suggests that when it comes to soaking the rich, the American public is increasingly on board.

Surveys are showing overwhelming support for raising taxes on top earners, including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Monday that found [I]76 percent[/I] of registered voters believe the wealthiest Americans should pay more in taxes. A recent Fox News survey showed that 70 percent of Americans favor raising taxes on those earning over $10 million

When you ask poor and middle class people if those richer than them should have their money taken away they tend to say yes?

Wait here....let me go get my

don't expect a serious response. many of the MAGA FAM on ISH are mentally ill (starface) or intellectually challenged(fatrickchewing). only certain individuals like rufus or hawker are worth the discussion.

A poll from Politico? Must be true!



No one will be elected on a platform that has the government taxing upwards to 70% of your income. Even if they are filthy rich. It just sounds Anti-American.


AOC is a joke though. The only reason Fox News talks about her on a daily basis is because they want to convince the viewer that the entire Democrat party thinks like her. The crazy thing is, it's looking like most of the party does.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing][B]A poll from Politico? Must be true![/B]

[/QUOTE]

Don't you get tired of being wrong? Of being called an idiot,and proving it? Is it a troll? Are you parodying MAGATs?

[QUOTE][B]A recent Fox News survey [/B]showed that 70 percent of Americans favor raising taxes on those earning over $10 million — including 54 percent of Republicans.[/QUOTE]

FOX NEWS idiot. Again, FOX NEWS. So like I said:

[QUOTE]anytime some dimwit like Chewing starts mouthing off about AOC, understand that he's doing so because he's a mindless puppet [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]When you ask poor and middle class people if those richer than them should have their money taken away they tend to say yes?

Wait here....let me go get my

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]blah blah blah[/QUOTE]


Look at what's going on in New York right now. There is a mass exodus.


You people will never win. Book it.

I don't feel that the rich should have their money 'taken' away per se. But should they pay more in taxes? Im down for that.

Some of these rich people could be taxed 50% and they'd still have enough money to last them generations. Some of them hoard it for generations and generations to come.

Is it fair that they give more?

Some will argue that they benefit the most from our services, they also have manipulated tax rules in their favor.

There should be different tiers of course, not just one broad tax bracket.

It's not so much about taking away as it's about 'sharing'. I've always been thought that it's noble to share when you can.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing] I'm always wrong, and have no salient arguments.
Thus, I'm a perfect Donald Trump supporter. [/QUOTE]

Yes, we know.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Yes, we know.[/QUOTE]


Your argument is a 70% tax on the rich. This will NEVER happen.


So come up with a different number, otherwise your lazy ass will have to keep looking for a better job.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Your argument is a 70% tax on the rich. This will NEVER happen.


So come up with a different number, otherwise your lazy ass will have to keep looking for a better job.[/QUOTE]

I work in finance, and work with private equity firms. Many of my clients are execs within pe firms, who I meet with, see at cocktail hours, etc. and will privately admit that the rich get away with far too much. I've met several who are Bernie supporters.

Also, I never said what MY argument was. I simply pointed out that all indicators are that the overwhelming majority of the American public now supports taxing the rich much more highly, including 54% of all Republicans.

Your response, in typical Chewing fashion, is not any sort of reasonable, well thought out rebuttal but simply "na na boo boo you'll never gonna get it and now i'm gonna plug my fingers into my ears and go lalalalala"

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]No one will be elected on a platform that has the government taxing upwards to 70% of your income. Even if they are filthy rich. It just sounds Anti-American.[/QUOTE]

between the great depression and the rise of reagonomics, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion"][B]aka the long boom[/B][/URL], taxing the filthy rich bigly was as 'murrican as apple pie, chewy.

[IMG]https://image.ibb.co/n92ow9/top-marginal-tax-rate.jpg[/IMG]


[QUOTE]AOC is a joke though. The only reason Fox News talks about her on a daily basis is because...[/QUOTE]

the trickle down hustlers know her policy proposals (at least in terms of progressive taxation) are favored by the vast majority of voting eligible citizens.

even the dirt poor repubs who've been getting bamboozled since the early 80s are starting to (slowly) finally figure out that the promised trickle down isn't coming.

they want to see 'murrica become truly great again. long boom style. :crazysam:

gotta nip that in the bud before it spreads. so they sic hannity, bow tie carlson, etc on her.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]I work in finance, and work with private equity firms. Many of my clients are execs within pe firms, who I meet with, see at cocktail hours, etc. and will privately admit that the rich get away with far too much. I've met several who are Bernie supporters.

Also, I never said what MY argument was. I simply pointed out that all indicators are that the overwhelming majority of the American public now supports taxing the rich much more highly, including 54% of all Republicans.

Your response, in typical Chewing fashion, is not any sort of reasonable, well thought out rebuttal but simply "na na boo boo you'll never gonna get it and now i'm gonna plug my fingers into my ears and go lalalalala"[/QUOTE]


Usually folks who go into extensive detail as to what they do at work are full of shit half the time, but good for you nonetheless.

I guarantee you if you poll those same people if they currently know what the tax rate is, at least 80% of them (if not higher) won't have a clue.

So of course people want the rich to be taxed more, but it's a moot point if none of these people know what the current rates are. Maybe then will they realize how insane our government is and how much money they spend at our cost.

I don't want you backpedaling though. That's for cowards. I want you firm on that 70% number. That's your number and you're sticking to it.

It

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Usually folks who go into extensive detail as to what they do at work are full of shit half the time, but good for you nonetheless.

I guarantee you if you poll those same people if they currently know what the tax rate is, at least 80% of them (if not higher) won't have a clue.

So of course people want the rich to be taxed more, but it's a moot point if none of these people know what the current rates are. Maybe then will they realize how insane our government is and how much money they spend at our cost.

I don't want you backpedaling though. That's for cowards. I want you firm on that 70% number. That's your number and you're sticking to it.[/QUOTE]

I didn't go into "extensive" detail, lol. I mentioned it in rebuttal to your remark about my "lazy ass" having to get another job. Additionally, my work has given me insight into this arena as well.

I also didn't backpeddle anything nitwit. If ultimately a 70% marginal tax rate on people making $10 mil is implemented, I'll have no problem with it, as will most of the populace. However, I'd also like to see what some other proposals are in this arena.

And a coward is you around black people in real life. You'd never say the reckless shyt you do on here to someone's face because you know what would happen.

And lol at you rewriting history. It was a f*** base tenet of the Republican party that you don't raise taxes. Grover Norquist ring a bell? Now all of a sudden it's, "of course" 54% of Republicans want taxes to be raised. You're so full of shit. The reality is that it's dawning on even your fellow dimwits that 40 years of trickle down has not been good for the average citizen. That the Trump tax cut for the wealthy (after he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy on the campaign trail) was a farce.

The Right fears AOC more than they do their pregnant mistress'.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Better start grooming the young republican star now.
[/QUOTE]

barron trump/michael flynn jr '32 campaign: "yeah we know all the other times we tried the trickle down hustle it only led to grand canyon sized income parity gaps between the top 2-10% of the population and the rest of you... but trust us, this time... [I]this time[/I] all those tax cuts multi multi millionaires and corporations receive and use to buyback stocks will somehow finally find their way into your wallets. believe us, folks."

aoc/malia obama '32: "really nigguhs?"

^you see the dilemna fox has on their hands? gotta nip this thing in the bud [B]now[/B]. be it dancing videos from high school, tweets, whatever it takes. gotta kill the aoc opp movement right now before it spreads.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]I didn't go into "extensive" detail, lol. I mentioned it in rebuttal to your remark about my "lazy ass" having to get another job. Additionally, my work has given me insight into this arena as well.

I also didn't backpeddle anything nitwit. If ultimately a 70% marginal tax rate on people making $10 mil is implemented, I'll have no problem with it, as will most of the populace. However, I'd also like to see what some other proposals are in this arena.

[B]And a coward is you around black people in real life. You'd never say the reckless shyt you do on here to someone's face because you know what would happen.
[/B]
And lol at you rewriting history. It was a f*** base tenet of the Republican party that you don't raise taxes. Grover Norquist ring a bell? Now all of a sudden it's, "of course" 54% of Republicans want taxes to be raised. You're so full of shit. The reality is that it's dawning on even your fellow dimwits that 40 years of trickle down has not been good for the average citizen. That the Trump tax cut for the wealthy (after he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy on the campaign trail) was a farce.[/QUOTE]


Fill me in on this "reckless shyt" I post. I'm curious.


LOL I'm glad you'll hold your 70% stance. It will never happen, but at least you can dream.

[QUOTE]And lol at you rewriting history. It was a f*** base tenet of the Republican party that you don't raise taxes. Grover Norquist ring a bell? Now all of a sudden it's, "of course" 54% of Republicans want taxes to be raised. You're so full of shit. The reality is that it's dawning on even your fellow dimwits that 40 years of trickle down has not been good for the average citizen. That the Trump tax cut for the wealthy (after he promised to raise taxes on the wealthy on the campaign trail) was a farce.[/QUOTE]

I promise you...republican or democrat...a poll taken at random will not find you many people who have an informed opinion on this. It isnt people thinking out what trickle down has done for 40 years. Its instinctual. Asking poor people if the rich need to be less rich? Its "How bout them cowboys!" at a bar in Austin. Its a 84 MPH fast ball right down the middle vs Barry Bonds. Its just an easy pop like a comedian mentioning the name of the town hes in during the set.

Whatever the merits of the argument...you dont find real responses to the argument in a poll like that sure to catch mostly poor and middle class answers. Its pure emotion.

Poor people from any era in history are jealous of rich people. You could get republicans or democrat poor people behind you it would just depend on the message.

In red state its "Hey....you...Joe Sixpack. You bust your ass in the paper mill 50 hours a week keeping our economy strong and your family fed. These NBA players make hundreds of millions and complain about being underpaid while these NFL owners want your money to build their billion dollar stadiums and the hollywood elites make millions while pretending to care about the working man from behind his high walls. Isnt it time they all paid their fair share? Call Senator Harry Whitebread and tell him where to get the money before he votes to take any more from your check"


Play it right you can get the jealous going for anyone.

The average voter doesnt know Grover Norquist. He knows these rich people piss him off though.

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]barron trump/michael flynn jr '32 campaign: "yeah we know all the other times we tried the trickle down hustle it only led to grand canyon sized income parity gaps between the top 2-10% of the population and the rest of you... but trust us, this time... [I]this time[/I] all those tax cuts multi multi millionaires and corporations receive and use to buyback stocks will somehow finally find their way into your wallets. believe us, folks."

aoc/malia obama '32: "really nigguhs?"

^you see the dilemna fox has on their hands? gotta nip this thing in the bud [B]now[/B]. be it dancing videos from high school, tweets, whatever it takes. [B]gotta kill the aoc [/B]opp movement right now before it spreads.[/QUOTE]

Yup, what a fool like Chewing fails to understand is that it isn't about AOC the person (though she's a dynamic, fearless political entity that will be a force for years to come), it's the fear of her ideas taking hold in the public sphere. We see that their incessant attacking of her, often for lame reasons like dancing, has only served to further raise her profile, thus having the [I]opposite[/I] effect.

But make no mistake, they didn't want the damn cat out of the bag in any serious sense. Those think tanks have spent 40+ years perfecting tactics to brainwash the gullible like Chewing. But a re-evaluation of this started with Occupy, moved on into the mainstream with Bernie and now AOC.

The result? You've got debris like Tucker and Coulter all of a sudden on their "Uh yeah, raise taxes on the wealthy is good, yes good I say" because they see how the wind is blowing.

Guaranteed that once it starts breaking even bigger among conservatives, Chewing will be back with "sheeeet I was always in favor of taxing the rich. It's the libtards that tried to stop it".

Because that's just how conservatives roll. Hypocrisy, obfuscation and dishonesty are their lifeblood.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I promise you...republican or democrat...a poll taken at random will not find you many people who have an informed opinion on this. It isnt people thinking out what trickle down has done for 40 years. Its instinctual. Asking poor people if the rich need to be less rich? Its "How bout them cowboys!" at a bar in Austin. Its a 84 MPH fast ball right down the middle vs Barry Bonds. Its just an easy pop like a comedian mentioning the name of the town hes in during the set.

[B]Whatever the merits of the argument...you dont find real responses to the argument in a poll like that sure to catch mostly poor and middle class answers. Its pure emotion.[/B]

Poor people from any era in history are jealous of rich people. You could get republicans or democrat poor people behind you it would just depend on the message.

In red state its "Hey....you...Joe Sixpack. You bust your ass in the paper mill 50 hours a week keeping our economy strong and your family fed. These NBA players make hundreds of millions and complain about being underpaid while these NFL owners want your money to build their billion dollar stadiums and the hollywood elites make millions while pretending to care about the working man from behind his high walls. Isnt it time they all paid their fair share? Call Senator Harry Whitebread and tell him where to get the money before he votes to take any more from your check"


Play it right you can get the jealous going for anyone.

The average voter doesnt know Grover Norquist. He knows these rich people piss him off though.[/QUOTE]

I explained my opinion about this on the previous page. And you know what? It extends to the poor as well. Why? Because the poorest states in the country vote Republican who have been spouting the same bullshit for 40+ years so obviously they believed it since they've consistently been voting against their self interests.

What you're not taking into account is that to get away with this for so long, they've had to have distractions. Something they could point to over there as the reason for their woes. Something OTHER than the rich. You see the rich are the noble "job creator" whom without which they wouldn't even have the menial jobs they do. No, it's those darn blacks on welfare and um the illegals crossing the border, and "liberals" that are the [I]true [/I]causes.

And because of the mixture of racism, ignorance and stupidity, that's stuck and continues to stick. However, as mentioned, even some of them are starting to wake up. This is what the right fears about AOC.

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]between the great depression and the rise of reagonomics, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion"][B]aka the long boom[/B][/URL], taxing the filthy rich bigly was as 'murrican as apple pie, chewy.

[IMG]https://image.ibb.co/n92ow9/top-marginal-tax-rate.jpg[/IMG]




the trickle down hustlers know her policy proposals (at least in terms of progressive taxation) are favored by the vast majority of voting eligible citizens.

even the dirt poor repubs who've been getting bamboozled since the early 80s are starting to (slowly) finally figure out that the promised trickle down isn't coming.

they want to see 'murrica become truly great again. long boom style. :crazysam:

gotta nip that in the bud before it spreads. so they sic hannity, bow tie carlson, etc on her.[/QUOTE]

Your graph is missing a line. When the taxes were dropped, the rich paid more of a share of the tax revenue.

[IMG]http://freedomandprosperity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Feb-4-19-Perry.png[/IMG]

And are you even paying attention to your own state? Tons of loss revenue and Andrew Cuomo is nailing those calling for higher taxes on the rich because as conservatives and libertarians told you, they would leave. And that's exactly what's happening.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Yup, what a fool like Chewing fails to understand is that it isn't about AOC the person (though she's a dynamic, fearless political entity that will be a force for years to come), it's the fear of her ideas taking hold in the public sphere. We see that their incessant attacking of her, often for lame reasons like dancing, has only served to further raise her profile, thus having the [I]opposite[/I] effect.

But make no mistake, they didn't want the damn cat out of the bag in any serious sense. Those think tanks have spent 40+ years perfecting tactics to brainwash the gullible like Chewing. But a re-evaluation of this started with Occupy, moved on into the mainstream with Bernie and now AOC.

The result? You've got debris like Tucker and Coulter all of a sudden on their "Uh yeah, raise taxes on the wealthy is good, yes good I say" because they see how the wind is blowing.

Guaranteed that once it starts breaking even bigger among conservatives, Chewing will be back with "sheeeet I was always in favor of taxing the rich. It's the libtards that tried to stop it".

Because that's just how conservatives roll. Hypocrisy, obfuscation and dishonesty are their lifeblood.[/QUOTE]

You'd have to be pretty low-IQ to actually think AOC is a "dynamic, fearless" political entity.

You're the opposite side of the same coin of those you criticize. Equally brainwashed who has little knowledge of unintended consequences due to a lack of critical thinking. Individuals react or are incentivized in different ways to new laws but these are never considered - again pay attention to your own state.

[QUOTE=Hawker]Your graph is missing a line. When the taxes were dropped, the rich paid more of a share of the tax revenue.

[IMG]http://freedomandprosperity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Feb-4-19-Perry.png[/IMG]

And are you even paying attention to your own state? Tons of loss revenue and Andrew Cuomo is nailing those calling for higher taxes on the rich because as conservatives and libertarians told you, they would leave. And that's exactly what's happening.[/QUOTE]

Warren Buffet: "yes it's class warfare. And we won".

Architect behind trickle down: Republican tax plans are "myth"

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd[/URL]

How did all that tax cutting work out for Kansas, who basically implemented their own conservative paradise.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6"]https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]According to a report from the Economic Policy Institute, the [B]average CEO pay is 271 times[/B] the nearly $58,000 annual average pay of the typical American worker. ... Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings [B]were roughly 30 times the typical worker's salary[/B].[/QUOTE]

Just happens to coincide with the arrival of Reaganomics.

60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 emergency.

**** you. The hordes are coming for dat money Hawker. Accept it.

The good news for you is, when even 54% of Republicans are for it, it's going to happen eventually. The question will be how many years, and what the exact federal tax plan will be. Like I said, you'll benefit even though you had to be led kicking and screaming to salvation. Lucky you.

[QUOTE=Hawker]You'd have to be pretty low-IQ to actually think AOC is a "dynamic, fearless" political entity.

You're the opposite side of the same coin of those you criticize. Equally brainwashed who has little knowledge of unintended consequences due to a lack of critical thinking. Individuals react or are incentivized in different ways to new laws but these are never considered - again pay attention to your own state.[/QUOTE]

And you pay attention to Kansas, and the gleaming red state paradises of Miss., Al, etc.

Additionally, insult AOC all you want but she's got conservatives rooting for her tax plan. 54% on FOX NEWS. Well got dayum. Cry about it.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Warren Buffet: "yes it's class warfare. And we won".

Architect behind trickle down: Republican tax plans are "myth"

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?utm_term=.9e7d9524babd[/URL]

How did all that tax cutting work out for Kansas, who basically implemented their own conservative paradise.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6"]https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6[/URL]

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/kansas-tried-a-tax-plan-similar-to-trumps-it-failed.html[/URL]



Just happens to coincide with the arrival of Reaganomics.

60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 emergency.

**** you. The hordes are coming for dat money Hawker. Accept it.

The good news for you is, when even 54% of Republicans are for it, it's going to happen eventually. The question will be how many years, and what the exact federal tax plan will be. Like I said, you'll benefit even though you had to be led kicking and screaming to salvation. Lucky you.[/QUOTE]

Check the tax revenue. Admit it. You don't care about revenue all you care about is arbitrary virtues like "equality" and "fairness."

Your economic outlook just got shredded bud.

You're peddling your own trickle down bullshit as well. Explain how increases in taxes (not revenue because as shown...this isn't the case) is suddenly going to result in higher income for Americans?

That's why you can get 54% to agree in something because they don't understand revenue. Also, jealousy and envy are virtues now due to brainwashing being performed in academia and public high schools.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]And you pay attention to Kansas, and the gleaming red state paradises of Miss., Al, etc.

Additionally, insult AOC all you want but she's got conservatives rooting for her tax plan. 54% on FOX NEWS. Well got dayum. Cry about it.[/QUOTE]

Kansas never eliminated all the deductions they were supposed to which was the original plan with reducing the tax rate - which is what happened during Reagan and why you saw an increase in tax revenue as I clearly showed.

Also, what's never considered in all of this is the increased freedom and liberty in those that have additional money to spend to see how they see fit and not give to the government. That's a win in my book.

where's kblaze to hit us with an essay on why taxes shouldnt be raised and everybody just needs to work harder.

[QUOTE=Hawker]Check the tax revenue. Admit it. You don't care about revenue all you care about is arbitrary virtues like "equality" and "fairness."

Your economic outlook just got shredded bud.

You're peddling your own trickle down bullshit as well. Explain how increases in taxes (not revenue because as shown...this isn't the case) is suddenly going to result in higher income for Americans?

That's why you can get 54% to agree in something because they don't understand revenue. Also, jealousy and envy are virtues now due to brainwashing being performed in academia and public high schools.[/QUOTE]

I think it's your own economic outlook getting shredded when Tucker Carlson, Coulter and 54% on a FOX NEWS POLL is coming to the light. The rich aren't some special people that are so above everyone else. Most are the result of inherited wealth, not some great innovations on their part. There was a study from an Italian city that showed the wealth in that city mostly stayed in the hands of the same family since the 1500s! I guess their entire family has been such super awesome job creators all these years.

And to wit, I've never said that taxing the wealthy is the end all/be all solution for all of society and will suddenly make things all equal, but it's a start.

And AGAIN, I work in finance dealing with private equity execs. Get them drunk enough (and sometimes not even) and they'll admit it. I have a good friend who works at a hedge fund who is AOC/Bernie all the way.

You see Hawk, people are starting to realize that this shyt is unsustainable. It just is. 60% of Americans can't afford $1000 emergency. I know your answer is "oh well, f*ck them more tax cuts!!" but it doesn't work like that. The French elite found out about that.

When the pendulum swings way too far one way, there has to be a course correction. so I'm telling you Hawker. I follow politics very closely, including how the "other side" thinks. The rich will eventually have to pay considerably more in taxes. That's the direction the country is going. They know it too which is the entire reason they put up with Trump. For those tax cuts.

But hey, I didn't like trickle down. so you don't have to like rich people paying more taxes (the irony being that most of them would pat you on the head like a dog for defending them).

[QUOTE=tpols]where's kblaze to hit us with an essay on why taxes shouldnt be raised and everybody just needs to work harder.[/QUOTE]

So you getting geared up to tell the poor kid who made it out of the hood what it takes to make it out again?

[QUOTE=Hawker]Kansas never eliminated all the deductions they were supposed to which was the original plan with reducing the tax rate - which is what happened during Reagan and why you saw an increase in tax revenue as I clearly showed.

Also, what's never considered in all of this is the increased freedom and liberty in those that have additional money to spend to see how they see fit and not give to the government. That's a win in my book.[/QUOTE]

Excuses, excuses. Kansas is a failed conservative state. They had to raise taxes again after the abject failure of their tax policy

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/07/kansas-republicans-raise-taxes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-experiment-in-conservative-policy/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/07/kansas-republicans-raise-taxes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-experiment-in-conservative-policy/[/URL]

Also, you do understand that this whole idea that the rich shouldn't be heavily taxed wasn't always the view of Republicans right?

Top earners under REPUBLICAN President Eisenhower went as high as 91% for top earners

[URL="https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/bernie-s/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/"]https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/bernie-s/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/[/URL]

Guess what? Didn't stop people from wanting to be rich. Didn't stop there being filthy rich people in this country. We just had more revenue to devote to things like infrastructure and other social programs.

Nah, tax the rich a lot more, use the money to fund infrastructure projects, education and contribute to a universal single payer program. We'll create a more stable, prosperous society. Even you'd be happier, lol.

I don't mind paying more taxes for peace of mind. Americans are overrun with anxiety over financial concerns, which leads to increased rates of suicide, poor health, drug abuse, family annihilations, etc.

We tried the trickle down nonsense for 40 years. It's been a total bust. Wages have stagnated for the middle class all this time. Turns out the wealthy horde their money instead of it trickling down. Go figure. don't worry, I'm telling you Bezos will get by with 2 mega yachts instead of 3. I promise.

Hawker has admitted the system is rigged and he likes it that way because it benefits him.

A vote is a vote though and his is worth no more.

Were coming.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]Excuses, excuses. Kansas is a failed conservative state. They had to raise taxes again after the abject failure of their tax policy

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/07/kansas-republicans-raise-taxes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-experiment-in-conservative-policy/"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/07/kansas-republicans-raise-taxes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-experiment-in-conservative-policy/[/URL]

Also, you do understand that this whole idea that the rich shouldn't be heavily taxed wasn't always the view of Republicans right?

Top earners under REPUBLICAN President Eisenhower went as high as 91% for top earners

[URL="https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/bernie-s/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/"]https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/bernie-s/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/[/URL]

Guess what? Didn't stop people from wanting to be rich. Didn't stop there being filthy rich people in this country. We just had more revenue to devote to things like infrastructure and other social programs.

Nah, tax the rich a lot more, use the money to fund infrastructure projects, education and contribute to a universal single payer program. We'll create a more stable, prosperous society. Even you'd be happier, lol.

I don't mind paying more taxes for peace of mind. Americans are overrun with anxiety over financial concerns, which leads to increased rates of suicide, poor health, drug abuse, etc.

We tried the trickle down nonsense for 40 years. It's been a total bust. Wages have stagnated for the middle class all this time. Turns out the wealthy horde their money instead of it trickling down. Go figure. don't worry, I'm telling you Bezos will get by with 2 mega yachts instead of 3. I promise.[/QUOTE]

Sweet...so you want to take us back to the 1950s despite all the technological progress and consumer products being dramatically cheaper than what they were. You guys always clamor about how Trump, "wants to take us to the 1950s" but that's exactly what you're advocating here. We also had a lot less immigration back then...want to do that as well? Wages remain low because if one individual quits, another unskilled individual will take its place. Basic economics bud.

Those 90% marginal tax rates weren't being paid. The effective tax rate ended up being somewhere in the 30s. That's common knowledge due to the amount of deductions you could avoid. That was the whole idea of the Reagan tax cuts...lower the tax rate and eliminate deductions at the same time so the government doesn't pick winners. And what did we see? Oh yeah, increased share of tax revenue (isnt this what you guys want? Pay your fair share!!!). Business owners just chose not to declare that income and the rich paid a much larger share of taxes when the tax rate decreased. That is fact.

Anyway, the tax revenue as % of GDP has remained the same regardless of the tax rate. Claiming higher revenue is just a falsehood. Sorry.

[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1945%E2%80%932015.jpg[/IMG]

Educations gets more money year after year after year with little to no results to show for it. Tired of this liberal talking point.

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[QUOTE=Hawker]Sweet...so you want to take us back to the 1950s despite all the technological progress and consumer products being dramatically cheaper than what they were. You guys always clamor about how Trump, "wants to take us to the 1950s" but that's exactly what you're advocating here. We also had a lot less immigration back then...want to do that as well? Wages remain low because if one individual quits, another unskilled individual will take its place. Basic economics bud.

Those 90% marginal tax rates weren't being paid. The effective tax rate ended up being somewhere in the 30s. That's common knowledge due to the amount of deductions you could avoid. That was the whole idea of the Reagan tax cuts...lower the tax rate and eliminate deductions at the same time so the government doesn't pick winners. And what did we see? Oh yeah, increased share of tax revenue (isnt this what you guys want? Pay your fair share!!!). Business owners just chose not to declare that income and the rich paid a much larger share of taxes when the tax rate decreased. That is fact.

Anyway, the tax revenue as % of GDP has remained the same regardless of the tax rate. Claiming higher revenue is just a falsehood. Sorry.

[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1945%E2%80%932015.jpg[/IMG]

Educations gets more money year after year after year with little to no results to show for it. Tired of this liberal talking point.

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WmUmtKqs7DE/TcLe3IaMQaI/AAAAAAAAANk/E-rYL10QSuc/s400/Screen+shot+2011-05-05+at+12.29.35+PM.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

If it's true that you admitted the system is rigged but like it that way because it benefits you then f*ck you. You're not going to be persuaded by any points no matter how reasonable because in the end it doesn't matter to you. You're driven purely by selfishness. In the end, it won't matter. As I mentioned, history dictates that when the window swings too far, it has to go in the other direction. You might not care about the average person, but that's the way it goes. If 60% of Americans (most of whom work) can't afford a $1000 emergency, something has gone very wrong with society. I get that you could care less, but when that happens, if people are looking and seeing that the wealthy have become even richer during this time (obscenely so), they are going to eventually become a target. That's just common sense, "bud".

Dread it. Run from it. But destiny still arrives. Why you would really care so much that someone making 10 milly gets taxed higher, or that someone making over what was it 50 mill gets a much higher tax is beyond me. It's the type of selfish greed I'll never comprehend.

This country's infrastructure is garbage. I thought the US was da best? you go to other countries and their public transportation, architecture, airports, roads, etc. blow us away. They have universal healthcare. Free education. They are happier.

It's taken far longer than it should have, largely because f*ck are Americans greedy, and conservatives (with help from the neo liberals Dems) have adopted a policy of taking a vacuum cleaner to middle class wealth,but you can't fool the people forever. The support of AOC"s tax policy on FOX NEWS, no matter what excuses you want to give for it, show that. Matter of time. Whether it's 2 years, 5 years, etc. there WILL be a more progressive tax system implemented in this country. Again, you don't have to LIKE it. I'm just telling you what to expect.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]If it's true that you admitted the system is rigged but like it that way because it benefits you then f*ck you. You're not going to be persuaded by any points no matter how reasonable because in the end it doesn't matter to you. You're driven purely by selfishness. In the end, it won't matter. As I mentioned, history dictates that when the window swings too far, it has to go in the other direction. You might not care about the average person, but that's the way it goes. If 60% of Americans (most of whom work) can't afford a $1000 emergency, something has gone very wrong with society. I get that you could care less, but when that happens, if people are looking and seeing that the wealthy have become even richer during this time (obscenely so), they are going to eventually become a target. That's just common sense, "bud".

Dread it. Run from it. But destiny still arrives. Why you would really care so much that someone making 10 milly gets taxed higher, or that someone making over what was it 50 mill gets a much higher tax is beyond me. It's the type of selfish greed I'll never comprehend.

This country's infrastructure is garbage. I thought the US was da best? you go to other countries and their public transportation, architecture, airports, roads, etc. blow us away. They have universal healthcare. Free education. They are happier.

It's taken far longer than it should have, largely because f*ck are Americans greedy, and conservatives (with help from the neo liberals Dems) have adopted a policy of taking a vacuum cleaner to middle class wealth,but you can't fool the people forever. The support of AOC"s tax policy on FOX NEWS, no matter what excuses you want to give for it, show that. Matter of time. Whether it's 2 years, 5 years, etc. there WILL be a more progressive tax system implemented in this country. Again, you don't have to LIKE it. I'm just telling you what to expect.[/QUOTE]

You want to take other people's money and use it as you see fit because you think you're morally superior than others. That's as selfish as it gets. Wanting to keep your money is somehow selfish? Yeah, ok.

You're complaining about the rich and somehow think that taking more of their money equates to a solution.

You ask me why I care if someone gets taxed. Why do you care how much money someone makes? Wealth isn't a fixed pie. Because someone else continues to make money, doesn't mean that others dont. The economy is not a zero sum game...disprove the numbers I've provided. Try it. What exactly are you trying to achieve than "rich white people bad. Must steal money."

[QUOTE=Hawker] "rich white people bad. Must steal money."[/QUOTE]

54% on FOX NEWS. Pretty sure Fox news watchers are mostly white. Guess they think "rich white people bad" too.

And what a simple view. It's not rich white people bad. I WORK IN FINANCE. However "rich white people that take advantage of a rigged system, that they make every effort to rig while the majority of Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency and they have no intention of doing anything about it" is bad.

But back in the days before the French revolution, I'm sure plenty of the elite argued just like you do. Didn't save them from the guillotine though. You'll learn that eventually. Or not. It doesn't matter if you think it's "fair" or not. The only thing that matters is if enough of the populace eventually thinks this current system is bullshit or not. The indicators are that more and more are starting to.

Republicans are ‘scared’ of AOC. They want to make her the face of the Democrat party.

[QUOTE]Dread it. Run from it. But destiny still arrives. Why you would really care so much that someone making 10 milly gets taxed higher, or that someone making over what was it 50 mill gets a much higher tax is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

For me it’s a matter of principle.

Taxes as a concept don’t bother me. Shit costs money. Most of the issue is misspending what already comes in but that’s another discussion. There comes a point where a line is crossed between contributing and being taken advantage of because it’s politically easy to **** over a hated class nobody will ever leap to defend. People can’t see past their own self interests enough to even consider that someone they are immensely jealous of might be treated unfairly. Kevin Durant might be a bitch but that doesn’t mean we deserve 70% of his check(for someone with a solid shoe deal his entire nba contract would be past the 10 million).

The entire argument for it tends to come down to “****em!” and some nonsense about people paying more in taxes than hundreds of thousands of citizens combined not paying their fair share. The great majority of people in favor of it have absolutely no knowledge of economics or the tax system. Something like this is always going to be primarily driven by bitterness.

I do think some version of it will happen because the poor will always outnumber the rich but that doesn’t make it right....just popular. And it will do nothing. The poor will be poor. Much of what comes in will be spent on bullshit. So much income is gonna be diverted to stock options or otherwise filtered through the system it won’t much matter what people are supposed to be paying.

The big time guys would just be even less liquid and probably rig things in their favor for exploding net worths. Income capped at 9.9 million and take the rest in bonds, stock, and shit...even artwork and other shit to make your kids even richer. I’ll take 9 million and a Picasso sketch in my grandsons safe deposit box. My lawyers would comb through every loophole and find every way to pawn income off onto family and investments. I’d manufacture massive market losses I could apply to future earnings to eliminate tax liability. You would get 70% from my cold dead hands.

All this shit is going to do is make accountants get even more creative.

[QUOTE=Hardtop Hero]54% on FOX NEWS. Pretty sure Fox news watchers are mostly white. Guess they think "rich white people bad" too.

And what a simple view. It's not rich white people bad. I WORK IN FINANCE. However "rich white people that take advantage of a rigged system, that they make every effort to rig while the majority of Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency and they have no intention of doing anything about it" is bad.

But back in the days before the French revolution, I'm sure plenty of the elite argued just like you do. Didn't save them from the guillotine though. You'll learn that eventually. Or not. It doesn't matter if you think it's "fair" or not. The only thing that matters is if enough of the populace eventually thinks this current system is bullshit or not. The indicators are that more and more are starting to.[/QUOTE]

LOL @ essentially arguing for violence. You've lost the plot bro.

It doesn't matter if "54% on FOX NEWS believe it to be true." You simply aren't arguing any of the merits of this argument so yes, "rich white people bad. must steal money" is exactly what you're saying.

Education spending up. No result. Public infrastructure projects? They aren't recouping the expenses that these projects incur. They are losing money. So you want to steal taxpayer money to spend it on projects that nobody will use just so you can point at it and be like, "Look! I built something!"

I agree with you on people taking advantage of a rigged system. The only way to do that is to decrease regulations and remove the motivation of corporations getting involved at the government level.

You've yet to prove how taxing people more will lead to the majority of Americans having a $1000 emergency.

You work in finance in NY. You're part of the elite yourself and a player in the rigged system. You produce nothing for this society.

People like AOC because she is attractive and authentic.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Republicans are