Kobe/Jordan won Finals with these stats, LeBron lost Finals with these stats

[B]Kobe/Jordan won with:[/B]

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



[B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014



Why?

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Has anyone actually watched this movie? It is a great Mystery Science Thatre 3000 experience.

Maybe if Bron played some actual D instead of statpadding garbage time assists hed have more rings.

One guy plays to get numbers and the others play to actually win.

DnK out for blood and the kids dont wanna face it.

Plain and simple, competition. Mike faced the weakest of all top 10 players and also he had the most help to go along with the weakest teams.

4 rebs and 2 assists = Finals chip MVP? No way brotha, who the hell else has done that I bet no one else was that weak and still won it all.

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]

27ppg on 41.7% (Jordan in 1996)

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[B]25 on 44.7%[/B] and a [url=https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]net negative[/url] for the series (Lebron 2013)

And his [B]23 on 43% thru 6 games[/B] was insufficient, so Ray Allen had to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Lebron also [B]won the 14' ECF with only 22/6/5[/B] - MJ wouldn't win any of his conference finals with those stats..


[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]

[B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014

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^^^^ Proven stat-padding - Lebron's assists came at the expense of the team - his team was [U]massively[/U] out-assisted in all of those Finals

Also, Harden held the ball for [url=https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1]9.4[/url] minutes per game this year, compared to [url=https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]12.2[/url] and [url=https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]11.0[/url] minutes for Lebron in 15' and 18'..

No team can win with that brand of shit ball (ridiculous ball-dominance while the team gets massively out-assisted)


[Quote=Dray n Klay]

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

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^^^ offset by goat scoring, goat scoring load, goat clutch, goat defense

And goat teamwork, as required to build any dynasty

(a record 38.3% of team's points.. top 3 all-time 10.3 ppg in 4th... 52% of team's points in closeout game and the best clutch the game's ever seen...45 of team's 87 pts in closeout)
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Kobe/MJ actually played elite defense in those finals

[QUOTE=And1AllDay]DnK out for blood and the kids dont wanna face it.

Plain and simple, competition. Mike faced the weakest of all top 10 players and also he had the most help to go along with the weakest teams.

4 rebs and 2 assists = Finals chip MVP? No way brotha, who the hell else has done that I bet no one else was that weak and still won it all.[/QUOTE]


Warriors beat the Rockets 3 times in the playoffs... Imagine if the dubs slipped up one year, choked and let James Harden go to the finals and win? He would be forever seen as an ATG SG who is one of the most dominant ever... but he lost...and most of this board and casual fans see him as a beta choker who cant do shit in the playoffs

Thats why all of Brons competition always looks so strong in the [B]end[/B] because he always loses to them thus enhancing their legacy. If MJ slipped up in 98 we would be talking about the Jazz being on par with some of the greatest teams of all time... but they didnt and thats why we dont talk about them.. maybe MJs legacy would be better according to you if he choked against the Jazz one year or let Ewing go to the finals and win a chip...

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]One guy plays to get numbers and the others play to actually win.[/QUOTE]

One guy plays weak people and wins with weak numbers and the other plays with better numbers and loses because he isnt facing 6'1 Paytons or auto mechanics

-Edited by me for accuracy now your welcome doop

[QUOTE=FreezingTsmoove]Warriors beat the Rockets 3 times in the playoffs... Imagine if the dubs slipped up one year, choked and let James Harden go to the finals and win? He would be forever seen as an ATG SG who is one of the most dominant ever... but he lost...and most of this board and casual fans see him as a beta choker who cant do shit in the playoffs

Thats why all of Brons competition always looks so strong in the [B]end[/B] because he always loses to them thus enhancing their legacy. If MJ slipped up in 98 we would be talking about the Jazz being on par with some of the greatest teams of all time... but they didnt and thats why we dont talk about them.. maybe MJs legacy would be better according to you if he choked against the Jazz one year or let Ewing go to the finals and win a chip...[/QUOTE]

I know what your trying to do but your ignoring a lot. First, who the **** wins a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists :oldlol:

Now after you answer that we can move to your other point, which is bad. Harden example is dumb because...First he would still need to win the Finals too not just WCF and also he wouldnt get respect from haters becos Bron did something bigger with 3-1 and 73 win team and we still have idiots that say Adam Silver helped him win...

Now to your last point about Jordan letting a team slip in, he never faced a team that was capable of slipping in. Thats just like saying Bron played in weak east yet dominated for 8 years. What if Bron let the Pacers or Bulls or Raps slip in one year are they an ATG team now? Be real and get better points Im goign to bed soon.

[QUOTE=And1AllDay]One guy plays weak people and wins with weak numbers and the other plays with better numbers and loses because he isnt facing 6'1 Paytons or auto mechanics

-Edited by me for accuracy now your welcome doop[/QUOTE]
Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.

[QUOTE=And1AllDay]

First, who the **** wins a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists :oldlol:

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Who scores 38% of their team's points?

Or 52% in the closeout game with the best clutch the game's ever seen?

I'll wait


[QUOTE=And1AllDay]

Now to your last point about Jordan letting a team slip in, he never faced a team that was capable of slipping in. Thats just like saying Bron played in weak east yet dominated for 8 years. What if Bron let the Pacers or Bulls or Raps slip in one year are they an ATG team now? Be real and get better points Im goign to bed soon.

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^^^ so you're saying that MJ dominated Finals comp and Lebron only conference finals comp... ::cheers: :applause: :

Lebron's conference finals cream puffs don't compare to Finals comp, i.e. Jazz beat Duncan/Popovich and prime Shaq + 3 all-stars

Ultimately, lebron won 9 ecf and 3 Finals (12 wins), while Jordan won 6 ecf and 6 Finals (12 wins)

Obviously, MJ's 3 extra Finals wins > lebron's 3 extra conference finals wins.. :pimp:... Sleep tight now..
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[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.[/QUOTE]

One
Nine

Nite nite

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Sure he lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and to Dwight Howard in the playoffs and Jason Terry outplayed him.[/QUOTE]
You HAVE to be trolling bringing up Carlos Arroyo all the time right :lol Like that Olympics isn't most embarrassing for Duncan

[QUOTE=And1AllDay]I know what your trying to do but your ignoring a lot. First, who the **** wins a FMVP with 4 reb and 2 assists :oldlol:

Now after you answer that we can move to your other point, which is bad. Harden example is dumb because...First he would still need to win the Finals too not just WCF and also he wouldnt get respect from haters becos Bron did something bigger with 3-1 and 73 win team and we still have idiots that say Adam Silver helped him win...

Now to your last point about Jordan letting a team slip in, he never faced a team that was capable of slipping in. Thats just like saying Bron played in weak east yet dominated for 8 years. What if Bron let the Pacers or Bulls or Raps slip in one year are they an ATG team now? Be real and get better points Im goign to bed soon.[/QUOTE]
Ummm he did...he let the Magic slip in while being the overwhelming favorite. I

My boy DnK outchea like


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:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]My boy DnK outchea like


[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-23-2015/y6p-VR.gif[/IMG]


:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
:lol :roll:

:hammertime: :hammertime:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]You HAVE to be trolling bringing up Carlos Arroyo all the time right :lol Like that Olympics isn't most embarrassing for Duncan[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure he forgot that was LeBron's rookie year while Duncan was the clear leader and fresh off of a 2003 Championship :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]My boy DnK outchea like


[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-23-2015/y6p-VR.gif[/IMG]


:yaohappy:[/QUOTE]

What's new

:dancin

DnK with the noscopes 4 days

- Playing for the team and the ring vs playing for stats and himself
- Playing defense
- Better leadership

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]- Playing for the team and the ring vs playing for stats and himself
- Playing defense
- Better leadership[/QUOTE]

You just made up three things so you could sound cool :lol :lol

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]

27ppg on 41.7% (Jordan in 1996)

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[B]25 on 44.7%[/B] and a [url=https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]net negative[/url] for the series (Lebron 2013)

And his [B]23 on 43% thru 6 games[/B] was insufficient, so Ray Allen had to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Lebron also [B]won the 14' ECF with only 22/6/5[/B] - MJ wouldn't win any of his conference finals with those stats..


[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]

Why?

[/QUOTE]
Why did lebron lose with 2 all-star teammates in 11/14/17 to 3 different teams??? :eek: ..:eek:

[QUOTE=3ball][B]25 on 44.7%[/B] and a [url=https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]net negative[/url] for the series (Lebron 2013)

And his [B]23 on 43% thru 6 games[/B] was insufficient, so Ray Allen had to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Lebron also [B]won the 14' ECF with only 22/6/5[/B] - MJ wouldn't win any of his conference finals with those stats..



Why did lebron lose with 2 all-star teammates in 11/14/17 to 3 different teams??? :eek: ..:eek:[/QUOTE]


Why did Jordan LOSE with an all star teammate in 1990 and 1995, while LeBron won without any all stars in 2016? :eek:

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Why did Jordan LOSE with an all star teammate in 1990 and 1995, while LeBron won without any all stars in 2016? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Because he isn't perfect and can't win against a dynasty when his 2nd option s ores 2 points on 1-10, or when he was playing another sport

But he's still way mote perfect than lebron, who lost with TWO all-stars in 11, 14, and 17 - MJ never even HAD two all-stars, let alone lose with em'

And lebron had 2 perennial all-star teammates in 16'.. but I guess you can't lose with 2 other stars EVERYTIME.. even the worst NBA teams win like 15 games a year

[QUOTE=3ball][B]25 on 44.7%[/B] and a [url=https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]net negative[/url] for the series (Lebron 2013)

And his [B]23 on 43% thru 6 games[/B] was insufficient, so Ray Allen had to force game 7 (mj's 27 on 42 would've been sufficient)

Lebron also [B]won the 14' ECF with only 22/6/5[/B] - [B]MJ wouldn't win any of his conference finals with those stats.[/B]. .[/QUOTE]
LeBron avg. 23ppg on less than 16fga while shooting 56%

1997 ECF, MJ avg. 30ppg on 27fga while shooting 38%. Bulls won in 5 despite MJ's awful chucking.

If you can cite things like this for years, yet somehow still miss the fact it's telling you the game isn't just about what shows up on a statsheet, then you're just a certified moron

Why aren't you campaigning for Westbrook? Been averaging a triple double for 4 years now.

[QUOTE=LostCause]If you can cite things like this for years, yet somehow still miss the fact it's telling you the game isn't just about what shows up on a statsheet, then you're just a certified moron

Why aren't you campaigning for Westbrook? Been averaging a triple double for 4 years now.[/QUOTE]

How was MJ able to win with 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]How was MJ able to win with 4 rebounds and 2 assists?[/QUOTE]

Scottie Pippen + weak opponent

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Scottie Pippen + weak opponent[/QUOTE]

That weak opponent swept prime Shaq & YungBe

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][B]Kobe/Jordan won with:[/B]

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



[SIZE="4"][B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014[/SIZE]



[SIZE="5"]Why?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

It's because Lebron is holding the ball way longer to get those stats, so his teammates are getting less stats and not being maximized, while brand and overall teamwork suffers..

Otoh, MJ and Kobe get their stats with less time, so their teammates have more time with the ball and always seem to look better, along with their teams.

But regardless, Lebron always needed prime Pippen stats or better from his sidekick to win - his worse sidekick performance in a winning-Finals was Wade's 20/5/5 on 48% in 2013.. Otoh, MJ won the 96' Finals with 15 on 34% from his sidekick, and nearly the same in 1998.

It should also be noted that MJ averaged 33.7 and 6.6 apg in the 91-93 playoffs, versus 27.2 and 7.2 for Lebron during his 3 championship runs (12/13/16).. For the Finals only, MJ averaged 36.3 and 7.9 apg, to Lebron's 27.0 and 7.2... No comparison - MJ did far more to win... MJ's overall playoff stats from 85-93 was 35/7/7, compared to Lebron's 27/7/7 for his first 9 years.
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[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][B]Kobe/Jordan won with:[/B]

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



[B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014



Why?[/QUOTE]

Because LeBron plays to create a narrative. He grabs all the stats in order to get all the praise if he wins and to have excuses to hide behind if he loses. Winning is a distant second priority. He needs to pick his shots to keep a certain percentage and grab a couple of rebounds late when the game is out of reach so casual fans like you can pump him up all over the internet even though his team got blown out by a record margin.

[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Because LeBron plays to create a narrative. He grabs all the stats in order to get all the praise if he wins and to have excuses to hide behind if he loses. Winning is a distant second priority. He needs to pick his shots to keep a certain percentage and grab a couple of rebounds late when the game is out of reach so casual fans like you can pump him up all over the internet even though his team got blown out by a record margin.[/QUOTE]
Jordanstan melting down.

Have you ever REMOTELY considered the fact that basketball is played on a basketball court and not on paper?

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]How was MJ able to win with 4 rebounds and 2 assists?[/QUOTE]

By also shooting 42% FG :lol

[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]By also shooting 42% FG :lol[/QUOTE]
Jazz beat Duncan/Popovich, and Robinson

Jazz > Duncan/Popovich

So MJ would destroy Duncan much worse than he beat the Jazz in 1998 - probably win with 32% shooting instead of 42%.. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ball]Jazz beat Duncan/Popovich, and Robinson

the team that destroyed Lebron (Spurs) was destroyed by the Jazz - MJ beat the Jazz in 6, so he'd sweep Duncan[/QUOTE]
Your dumbass really say the '98 Spurs was the same team LeBron faced in '07

:roll:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Your dumbass really say the '98 Spurs was the same team LeBron faced in '07

:roll:[/QUOTE]
"the team Lebron faced" as if the 07' Spurs are recognized as a great team or something

they sucked and Kobe destroyed them in 2008, because he averaged the 30 ppg on good efficiency that LeBron couldn't in 2007

And sorry, but Robinson > Ginobili or Parker

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay;13648456][B]Kobe/Jordan won with:[/B]

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



[B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014



Why?[/QUOTE]

Damn

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay;13648456][B]Kobe/Jordan won with:[/B]

15ppg on 37% (Kobe in 2000)

24ppg on 40% (Kobe in 2001)

27ppg on 41% (Jordan in 1996)

4 rebounds and 2 assists on 42% (Jordan in 1998)

6/24 shooting (Kobe in 2010)



[B]LeBron lost with:[/B]

36/13/9 in 2015

34/12/10 in 2017

35/10/8 in 2018

28/8/4 on 58% in 2014



Why?[/QUOTE]

Because Lebron is a stat-padder. He doesn't know how to take over a game in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. It's been that way his whole career.