Averages 25/12/9 in the postseason... He's still learning the game on defense but he can't be ignored at this point.
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Averages 25/12/9 in the postseason... He's still learning the game on defense but he can't be ignored at this point.
:biggums: How wouldn't he be :lol
I think he definitely is top 10.
A better question would be, is he a low top 10 (Like rank 8-12) or he's nearer to top 5?
Giannis
Kd
Bron
Ad
Harden
Steph
Kawhi
Russ
Embiid
Kyrie
Lillard
Pg
I think all these players have a solid arguement over jokic
[QUOTE=kells333]Giannis
Kd
Bron
Ad
Harden
Steph
Kawhi
Russ
Embiid
Kyrie
Lillard
Pg
I think all these players have a solid arguement over jokic[/QUOTE]
for just this year no on ad or russ. Also can easily argue jokic over kyrie or lillard
No he
[QUOTE=kells333]Giannis
Kd
Bron
Ad
Harden
Steph
Kawhi
Russ
Embiid
Kyrie
Lillard
Pg
I think all these players have a solid arguement over jokic[/QUOTE]
He's pretty easily better than Russ this year and I'd say Kyrie as well.
Yes
Kawhi
KD
Lillard
Giannis
Harden
George
Curry
Embiid
Jokic
Irving
[QUOTE=GOBB]No he’s not.[/QUOTE]
i mean, he's delivered a better overall performance than embiid. i know joel has a v[B]ag[/B]inal tearing that is slowing him down, but Jokic has delivered a top 10 playoff performance thus far. it's a little unfair to Bron and AD since they are out, so that's why I'll say he has delivered a top 10 performance this year. cheers fellow philadelphia fan.
Easily top 10. By easily I mean in the 8-9 range.
he's playing like it.
I mean easily. He was before the playoffs even started. He took a team without no other All-Stars to the 2nd seed in the West. Nuggets had a ton of injuries too, at one point were down 3 starters. He has has the 3rd best case for MVP behind Harden/Giannis.
After the playoffs? Better question is if he's a top 5 player. Giannis, Curry, Durant, Harden, LeBron, Leonard. Davis would be a good argument.
Obviously. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]
After the playoffs? Better question is if he's a top 5 player. Giannis, Curry, Durant, Harden, LeBron, Leonard. [b]Davis would be a good argument.[/b][/QUOTE]
He is easily more valuable to a team than Davis is. I know this is the first year he's in the playoffs but he's done more than AD ever has in the couple of years Davis has been. I've just moved him to the 7th best. Over Embiid.
[QUOTE=imdaman99]He is easily more valuable to a team than Davis is. I know this is the first year he's in the playoffs but he's done more than AD ever has in the couple of years Davis has been. I've just moved him to the 7th best.[/QUOTE]
Yeah as a Nuggets fan I'd probably only take 5 guys over him. He just does so much for the offense. Can score on all 3 levels. Cleaned up his defense. Jokic as a 20 point guy is a good conversation vs Davis. An aggressive Jokic putting up 25 is an entirely different animal.
I could see somebody taking Davis over him. I'd probably have Jokic 6th/7th overall as well.
LMAO @ top 10.
At the least he's top 5.
[QUOTE=kells333]Giannis
Kd
Bron
Ad
Harden
Steph
Kawhi
Russ
Embiid
Kyrie
Lillard
Pg
I think all these players have a solid arguement over jokic[/QUOTE]
Buahahahauahahaha.
Easily. He’s pushing top 5
Giannis
AD
Curry
Harden
LeBron
Durant
Kawhi
Embiid
Westbrook
Blake Griffin
i got him right outside my top 10 @ 12 behind Lillard
1. LeBron
2. KD
3. Kawhi
4. Giannis
5. Curry
6. Harden
7. AD
8. EmChoke
9. Jokic
10. Lillard
People still have Westbrook in there top 10s :roll: :roll: :roll:
Giannis
Kd
Harden
Steph
Kawhi
LeBron
Those are the 6 I would take over Jokic for sure.
After that I would have to think about it.
AD maybe
PG13 maybe
Don't see a good case for anyone else.
He is. Easily.
Basketball is not one on one. It's 5 on 5. Jokic may not be a top 10 individual player but as far as his impact on the game is concerned he is top 5ish. Imapct-wise (real value)... who do I have in the top 10?
Kawhi
Durant
Curry
Giannis
Jokic
Embiid
LeBron
Harden
And I can't fill out the rest. These 8 players are in the top 10.
kawhi
chef
durant
jokic
giannis
It
Who is better?
Durant and Kawhi
That's pretty much it.
Giannis has an absolutely stacked team. Middleton, Bledsoe, Mirotic, Lopez, Brogdon, George Hill, Ilyasova, Connaughton
That team is both deep and top heavy.
Give Jokic that and he sweeps the East.
You stupid asses talking about Bran over Jokic.
Buahahahaha.
Ship has sailed.
Unless the NBA gives Bran another superstar or two, he will never even make the playoffs in the west.
[QUOTE=GOBB]It
[QUOTE=GOBB]It
[QUOTE=GOBB]It’s funny reading comments. Guy is having a damn good post season and now he’s better than the likes of Anthony Davis. And we start making separate rankings in terms of impact and not individuals. Only on ISH. I expect that from nuggets fans because well they are fans. But non Nugget fans are amusing.
Another thing I notice is posters here like quiet humble modest will work for free players over guys with personalities. He’s too loud. He’s too cocky. He jokes too much.[/QUOTE]
Jokic carried a team with no other All-Stars to the 2nd seed in the west. He has been even better in the playoffs.
He had the top RPM among centers during the regular season at 6.19
[url]http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/9[/url]
AD played only 1850 minutes this season compared to 2500 for Jokic. AD has played under 70 games in 5 of his 7 seasons. How valuable can you be on the bench?
lol@this thread .. if he was black y'all would be arguing whether he's top 5
[QUOTE=dude77]lol@this thread .. if he was black y'all would be arguing whether he's top 5[/QUOTE]
nah....we wouldnt thats the thing
Boogie....
[QUOTE=Mask the Embiid]nah....we wouldnt thats the thing
Boogie....[/QUOTE]
Jokic just took a team without another All-Star to the 2nd seed and in his first playoff app has them in the 2nd round and he just turned 24 years old. 2nd season as a full time starter, in his first two years he was switched back and forth. Putting up ridiculous numbers. I mean look at the minutes he's playing. He's leading the playoffs in touches as a ****ing C in 2019 :oldlol:
When has Cousins ever done anything like that before?
[QUOTE=NuggetsFan]Jokic just took a team without another All-Star to the 2nd seed and in his first playoff app has them in the 2nd round and he just turned 24 years old. 2nd season as a full time starter, in his first two years he was switched back and forth. Putting up ridiculous numbers. I mean look at the minutes he's playing. He's leading the playoffs in touches as a ****ing C in 2019 :oldlol:
When has Cousins ever done anything like that before?[/QUOTE]
These stats are not real....He's playing against Kanter,Poltl, Mylers Leonard, and Collins.
Reality is gonna come crashing down next round if he plays the Warriors...some people won't believe things until they see it 1st hand...you will see though...Keep pretending like those arent some of the worst centers in the league all you want....you will see next round the truth of what he really is
you better fkin pray Houston knocks them off
[QUOTE=Mask the Embiid]These stats are not real....He's playing against Kanter,Poltl, Mylers Leonard, and Collins.
Reality is gonna come crashing down next round if he plays the Warriors...some people won't believe things until they see it 1st hand...you will see though...Keep pretending like those arent some of the worst centers in the league all you want....you will see next round the truth of what he really is
you better fkin pray Houston knocks them off[/QUOTE]
He did this all year long...
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]He did this all year long...[/QUOTE]
Didnt do it against bogut...Wont do it against bogut...
KD
Kawhi
Lebron
Giannis
Embiid
Davis
Curry
Harden
Lillard
Depends if you put him at 10 over PG/Irving
[QUOTE=Mask the Embiid]These stats are not real....He's playing against Kanter,Poltl, Mylers Leonard, and Collins.
Reality is gonna come crashing down next round if he plays the Warriors...some people won't believe things until they see it 1st hand...you will see though...Keep pretending like those arent some of the worst centers in the league all you want....you will see next round the truth of what he really is
you better fkin pray Houston knocks them off[/QUOTE]
The thing is that I won't even be shocked if he slows down abit. He's logging insane minutes and it's his first time in the playoffs.
Teams throw everything at him. S.A doubled him like crazy at times. Every team who faces Denver game plans to shut down Jokic because he's literally our entire engine. He has more responsibility with the offense than anybody in the league arguably. He was at one point leading the entire NBA in touches in the playoffs.
Jokic leads his team in PPG/APG/RPG and SPG in the regular season. How many C's have done that? How many players this year or in the past few years have done that?
Jokic has his flaws, he can be passive at times, but there's no denying he's a top 10 player and when he's locked in playing aggressive he's closer to 5 than he is too 10.
[QUOTE=tontoz]Jokic carried a team with no other All-Stars to the 2nd seed in the west. He has been even better in the playoffs.
He had the top RPM among centers during the regular season at 6.19
[url]http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/9[/url]
AD played only 1850 minutes this season compared to 2500 for Jokic. AD has played under 70 games in 5 of his 7 seasons. How valuable can you be on the bench?[/QUOTE]
Denver has talent. You
[QUOTE=GOBB]Denver has talent. You