Why does team ORtg change more when Durant/Kobe leave the floor or return than Curry?

[INDENT][U]Playoffs[/U]


09' Lakers ORtg [I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/I]with[I][COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR][/I] Kobe - 112.0
09' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 94.0
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[Color="white"].................................[/color][url=https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1][I][COLOR="darkred"]Difference - 18.0[/COLOR][/I][/url] [B][SIZE="1"][COLOR="Green"]<----- link to NBA.com source[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]



18' Warrior ORtg [I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/I]with[I][COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR][/I] Durant - 114.4
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Durant - 96.8
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[Color="white"].................................[/color][url=https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612744/onoffcourt-summary/?sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs][I][COLOR="darkgreen"]Difference - 17.6[/COLOR][/I][/url]



16' Cavalier ORtg [I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/I]with[I][COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR][/I] lebron - 115.9
16' Cavalier ORtg w/out lebron - 98.4
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[Color="white"].................................[/color][url=https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612739/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1][I][color="blue"]Difference - 17.5[/COLOR][/I][/url]



18' Warrior ORtg [I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/I]with[I][COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR][/I] Curry - 113.5
18' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 107.3.
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[Color="white"].................................[/color][url=https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612744/onoffcourt-summary/?sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs][I][COLOR="Navy"]Difference - 6.2[/COLOR][/I][/url]



19' Warrior ORtg [I][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/I]with[I][COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR][/I] Curry - 119.0
19' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 102.7
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[Color="white"].................................[/color][url=https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612744/onoffcourt-summary/?sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1][I][COLOR="Navy"]Difference - 16.3[/COLOR][/I][/url][/INDENT]



How does this not prove that Kobe had the biggest offensive impact?
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Ortg and Drtg are garbage stats

Op has turned into a lebron stan, next he will be in here citing VORP and BPM

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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]

There aren

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Ortg and Drtg are garbage stats

Op has turned into a lebron stan, next he will be in here citing VORP and BPM

You’ve fallen off bruh[/QUOTE]
Nah, Lebron's numbers in his winning playoffs is worse than Kobe's and Durant's

Only 17.5 in 2016 playoffs (kyrie at 19.4) and 13.8 in 2013
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Curry>MJ.



3ball is so shook

[QUOTE=3ball]Nah, Lebron's numbers in his winning playoffs is worse than Kobe's and Durant's

Only 15.8 in 2016 playoffs and 13.8 in 2013[/QUOTE]

What about lebrons career vorp?

[QUOTE=warriorfan]What about lebrons career vorp?[/QUOTE]
Attached to games played.. means nothing, like win shares

Btw, added lebron to the OP - 17.5 in the 16' playoffs, but Kyrie had a bigger impact with 19.4

[QUOTE=3ball]Attached to games played.. means nothing, like win shares

Btw, added lebron to the OP - 17.5 in the 16' playoffs, but Kyrie had a bigger impact with 19.4[/QUOTE]

Lebron ties Jordan for highest vorp during a championship season....and completely dwarfs mj in career vorp....I had Jordan over LeBron but after this arbitrary advanced stat discovery it leads me to think otherwise.

[QUOTE=3ball]Attached to games played.. means nothing, like win shares

Btw, added lebron to the OP - 17.5 in the 16' playoffs, but Kyrie had a bigger impact with 19.4[/QUOTE]


SO FISHER had a bigger impact than KOBE.. IN THE NBAFINALS


THREAD IS OVER :roll:

[url]https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=5[/url]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Lebron ties Jordan for highest vorp during a championship season....and completely dwarfs mj in career vorp....I had Jordan over LeBron but after this arbitrary advanced stat discovery it leads me to think otherwise.[/QUOTE]
welcome to the Bron fam :cheers: :rockon: :pimp:

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]SO FISHER had a bigger impact than KOBE..


THREAD IS OVER :roll:[/QUOTE]

3ball is turning into wheels before our eyes

Epic ass downfall

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Lebron ties Jordan for highest vorp during a championship season....and completely dwarfs mj in career vorp....I had Jordan over LeBron but after this arbitrary advanced stat discovery it leads me to think otherwise.[/QUOTE]
It's okay brah, Curry beats lebron in championships because he knows a better way to play basketball than lebron (ball movement, efficient offense, clutch)

So it doesn't matter that lebron can match Curry in this one area (impact on team ortg) - because lebron-ball has a much lower ceiling than curry-ball and can't win

it's apples and oranges tbh - this stat should only be used to compare winning brands of ball like Kobe/curry/durant, otherwise a bad brand/ball-domination can inflate the stat like it does for lebron

[QUOTE=3ball]It's okay brah, Curry beats lebron in championships because he knows a better way to play basketball than lebron (ball movement, efficient offense, clutch)

So it doesn't matter that lebron can match Curry in this one area (impact on team ortg) - because lebron-ball has a much lower ceiling than curry-ball and can't win

it's apples and oranges tbh - this stat should only be used to compare winning brands of ball like Kobe/curry/durant, otherwise a bad brand/ball-domination can inflate the stat like it does for lebron[/QUOTE]

LeBron’s vorp smashes Jordan. Thanks for showing me the ins and outs of all the obscure stats of basketball reference. I wouldn’t have come to the realization that LeBron > Jordan otherwise. :applause:

KOBE WAS THE WORSE PLAYER IN THE 2010 NBA FINALS.

[url]https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7[/url]

THANKS FOR THE NEW THREAD.. KOBE 'S NET RATING WAS HORRIBLE -17.2

:wtf: :banana: :hammertime: :party:

[QUOTE=3ball]It's okay brah, Curry beats lebron in championships because he knows a better way to play basketball than lebron (ball movement, efficient offense, clutch)

So it doesn't matter that lebron can match Curry in this one area (impact on team ortg) - because lebron-ball has a much lower ceiling than curry-ball and can't win

it's apples and oranges tbh - this stat should only be used to compare winning brands of ball like Kobe/curry/durant, otherwise a bad brand/ball-domination can inflate the stat like it does for lebron[/QUOTE]
so not only do you cherry pick stats. you also cherry pick the time to use them :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]SO FISHER had a bigger impact than KOBE.. IN THE NBAFINALS


THREAD IS OVER :roll:

[url]https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=5[/url][/QUOTE]
Bodied!:roll: :roll:

3ball on a Curry meltdown binger...seriously wtf is 3balls problem? Someone needs to take away this autistic ass retards access to the internet.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]LeBron

[QUOTE=3ball]In addition to Curry having a weaker offensive impact, as shown in the OP...

he's bad at contested jumpshots from three and midrange - his poor [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13719435&postcount=32]contested efficiency[/url] means he isn't an all-time jumpshooter

and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of his threes are open (system player), more than Dame or Harden[/QUOTE]

Sorry MJ wasn't an elite 3 point shooter :cry:

[QUOTE=3ball]In addition to Curry having a weaker offensive impact, as shown in the OP...

he's bad at contested jumpshots from three and midrange - his poor [url=http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13719435&postcount=32]contested efficiency[/url] means he isn't an all-time jumpshooter

and [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41]80%[/url] of his threes are open (system player), more than Dame or Harden[/QUOTE]

Thanks for showing me the advanced stat section of basketball reference. LeBrons career VORP blows Jordan out of the water. Was always a big Jordan guy but I hate to admit it but LeBron is probably better.

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]SO FISHER had a bigger impact than KOBE.. IN THE NBAFINALS


THREAD IS OVER :roll:

[url]https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_OFF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=5[/url][/QUOTE]
My stats are for the whole playoffs and yours are for the last 5 games only

Kobe leads the Lakers by a mile for the whole playoffs (18.0 to Odom's 11.6)

LeBron has more playoff points than MJ

[QUOTE=3ball]My stats are for the whole playoffs and yours are for the last 5 games only

Kobe leads the Lakers by a mile for the whole playoffs (18.0 to Odom's 11.6)[/QUOTE]

OP: Cherry picks
OP when someone else does the same: :mad:

[QUOTE=3ball]My stats are for the whole playoffs and yours are for the last 5 games only

Kobe leads the Lakers by a mile for the whole playoffs (18.0 to Odom's 11.6)[/QUOTE]


So he played great vs the shitty WEST TEAMS.. They play a soft brand of bball..

KOBE SHOULD NOT HAVE WON THE 2010 NBA FINALS.. He was horrid.. THANK YOU.. SO much more ammo :applause:

[QUOTE=StrongLurk]OP: Cherry picks
OP when someone else does the same: :mad:[/QUOTE]
Using an entire playoff run isn't cherry-picking..

Not that it matters - Kobe's impact > Curry's.. that's all that matters

[QUOTE=3ball]Using an entire playoff run isn't cherry-picking..

Not that it matters - Kobe's impact > Curry's.. that's all that matters[/QUOTE]

It is when these players have MANY playoff runs. Face it, you're a cherry picking, autistic loser.

[QUOTE=3ball]Using an entire playoff run isn't cherry-picking..

Not that it matters - Kobe's impact > Curry's.. that's all that matters[/QUOTE]
How about LeBron's impact. Leading everyone in playoff points :eek:

He

[QUOTE=StrongLurk]Sorry MJ wasn't an elite 3 point shooter :cry:[/QUOTE]

MJ was good at threes:


[INDENT]1) [I]When it mattered[/I] - 43% on 3.3 attempts in 91-93' Finals.. 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs

[I] When he tried[/I] - he attempted less than 1.5 every year except 90' and 93' when he attempted 3+ and shot 38% and 35%[/INDENT]


That's without practicing or thinking he needed it to win.. :eek:

In today's game, his 3-point shot would be as elite as his fadeaway became - he'd be all-time from 3 just like midrange

[QUOTE=Big164]He

[QUOTE=Vino24]How about LeBron's impact. Leading everyone in playoff points :eek:[/QUOTE]

VORP. Value Over Replacement. LeBron and MJ had an equal peak during a championship season at 9.8, but LeBron

Compare how they were guarded

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r8h7yyGbz4[/url]
vs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03GT8q3BCZY[/url]

Yikes

[QUOTE=Vino24]How about LeBron's impact. Leading everyone in playoff points :eek:[/QUOTE]
All those points and how many rings??

So he's doing something wrong

Like a boxer that leads everyone in punches thrown but doesn't connect enough, or a guy that has sex a lot but rarely pleases

Ultimately, his ball-dominance prevented his team from playing a brand that can win frequently.. yeah, I know.. f'kin loser, 3/9 bum

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Compare how they were guarded

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r8h7yyGbz4[/url]
vs
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03GT8q3BCZY[/url]

Yikes[/QUOTE]
Today's spacing strategy gives everyone open looks

80% of curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender), or "wide open" (6+ feet) - you can't get any easier than that... :oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ball]Today's game gives everyone open looks

80% of curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender), or "wide open" (6+ feet) - you can't get any easier than that... :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
100% of Ordan 3's were wide open :oldlol:

[QUOTE=3ball]Today's spacing strategy gives everyone open looks

80% of curry's threes are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender), or "wide open" (6+ feet) - you can't get any easier than that... :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
how about packing the paint with defenders while having a shortened 3pt line?

[QUOTE=Vino24]

how about packing the paint with defenders

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Makes it much harder to score in the paint


[QUOTE=Vino24]

while having a shortened 3pt line?

[/QUOTE]
Reduced spacing more than it already was

Notice that league ORtg cratered the year they shortened that line

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[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]100% of Ordan 3's were wide open :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
89% of the league's are

So MJ would be right in line

But obviously they'd guard him like everyone else - after his first record-breaking half and famous :confusedshrug: .. that's a wrap - he'd be the new Curry, but a 6'6" goat athlete/assassin version

Damn 3ball is getting straight bullied in here

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