Lebron not even top 10 according to those who watched more ball

Baby boomers have MJ at 1 and Lebron at 12
Gen X has MJ at 1 and Lebron 11
Millenials have MJ at 1, Lebron at 7 and kobe at 5. :lol

Click on the link below and sort by age.

Just goes to show how Baby boomers and Gen X seen enough to rank MJ at GOAT and know that lebron doesn't even belong in the top 10. They do have Lebron over Kobe, while millennials have kobe over lebron and put kobe at 5 and lebron at 7. :oldlol:

This is more accurate than any biased ESPN poll written by some millennial journalist.

[url]https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time[/url]

Meltdown

ESPN has had him top 3 for a while

Welcome to reality

Where is Straight Alt-in ranked?

Supposedly op makes 6 figures

imagine thinking kobe at 17 and maravich at 20 is anywhere near accurate :oldlol:. Baby boomer list specifically is just awful

LMFAO at referencing ESPN as if they are credible for top 10 lists. At least with this unbiased ranker site you have an idea of the age group that voted and can see just how many voted.

[QUOTE=egokiller]LMFAO at referencing ESPN as if they are credible for top 10 lists. At least with this unbiased ranker site you have an idea of the age group that voted and can see just how many voted.[/QUOTE]
True maybe we should use ranker.com instead. oh wait :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Vino24]True maybe we should use ranker.com instead. oh wait :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

60,000+ people apparently did. :applause:

[QUOTE=Vino24]True maybe we should use ranker.com instead. oh wait :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Riiight?

So its MJ, Bron, and Kobe at 11th :lol

NEXT thread thanks

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Meltdown

ESPN has had him top 3 for a while

Welcome to reality

Where is Straight Alt-in ranked?[/QUOTE]
Meltdown

Not even people of LeBron's own generation have him as their top dog :roll:

[QUOTE=egokiller]Baby boomers have MJ at 1 and Lebron at 12
Gen X has MJ at 1 and Lebron 11
Millenials have MJ at 1, Lebron at 7 and kobe at 5. :lol

Click on the link below and sort by age.

Just goes to show how Baby boomers and Gen X seen enough to rank MJ at GOAT and know that lebron doesn't even belong in the top 10. They do have Lebron over Kobe, while millennials have kobe over lebron and put kobe at 5 and lebron at 7. :oldlol:

This is more accurate than any biased ESPN poll written by some millennial journalist.

[url]https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time[/url][/QUOTE]
It's ova

Shut

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[QUOTE=TheMan]Meltdown

Not even people of LeBron's own generation have him as their top dog :roll:[/QUOTE]

Was Jordan even better than Bird when Bird was in his prime?

I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here: . As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEaNw...e=channel_page[/url]

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k[/url]

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y[/url] (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

Kind of makes Jordan's '88 MVP come off as even more of a joke, no? Not that I really care but all you really hear about is the 63 points.

This info was provided by fatal9, a true legend on this forum.

It's ova

Shut

It

Down

:hammertime:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Was Jordan even better than Bird when Bird was in his prime?

I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here: . As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEaNw...e=channel_page[/url]

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k[/url]

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y[/url] (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

Kind of makes Jordan's '88 MVP come off as even more of a joke, no? Not that I really care but all you really hear about is the 63 points.

This info was provided by fatal9, a true legend on this forum.[/QUOTE]
tl;dr

Larry Legend has called MJ the GOAT...dats gud enuff 4 me!

:hammertime:

[QUOTE=TheMan]tl;dr

Larry Legend has called MJ the GOAT...dats gud enuff 4 me![/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]Larry Bird had never said anything about it, and I was in his office, and he was like

[QUOTE=Larry Bird]LeBron should do whatever he wants. He’s as good as any player I’ve ever seen.’ He said, ‘In fact, when he comes up here to play I just watch him the whole time.’[/QUOTE]

:hammertime:

SpaceJam and Lakers_1987...

[IMG]https://www.brandsynario.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/tenor.gif[/IMG]

More importantly...the people have spoken

:hammertime: :dancin :party: :hammertime:

Close

This

Bitch

[QUOTE]Bird on LeBron: "I don't think he's Michael Jordan, but you can put him up there close to him."[/QUOTE]

Bird is the word.

You know someone is shook when someone else provides real information and they call it "fake".


Shut it down.

:hammertime:

[QUOTE=SpaceJam]Bird is the word.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like 5 or 6 spots below MJ...it is relatively close doe

The voters at Ranker have spoken...

Shut

It

Down

Because

It's

Ova

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Is OP kidding?

ESPN, sports illustrated, Fox, ISh, Realgm have all done lists.

Lebron by consensus is 3rd (2-5 in those lists). Jordan and Kareem round up the other 2 spots in the GOAT list.

Kobe is 12th or 13th in almost EVERY list. And he's dropping by the day.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXdOhhWkAA3H_f.jpg[/IMG]

Keep in mind that Lebron owns every tiebreaker against Shaq, Magic, and Duncan.
More regular season mvps. And more dominant statistically.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]You know someone is shook when someone else provides real information and they call it "fake".


Shut it down.

:hammertime:[/QUOTE]
You know someone is shook when MJ just keeps on winning polls after polls of hoops fans almost 20 years after he retired...even when the fake media keeps pushing a current player as the new GOAT...

We

Ain't

Buying

It

[IMG]https://img.memecdn.com/deal-with-it_o_1296067.webp[/IMG]

Yo Lakers_1987, how bad are you seething that MJ is easily the consensus GOAT? :roll:

To be honest, I currently have MJ as the GOAT, it's just fun triggering you guys.

[QUOTE=TheMan]You know someone is shook when MJ just keeps on winning polls after polls of hoops fans almost 20 years after he retired...even when the fake media keeps pushing a current player as the new GOAT...

We

Ain't

Buying

It

[IMG]https://img.memecdn.com/deal-with-it_o_1296067.webp[/IMG]

Yo Lakers_1987, how bad are you seething that MJ is easily the consensus GOAT? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Dude. He's a Kobe fanboy who never watched basketball before Shaq's lakers. He's shook because his idol Kobe is ranked about 12th all time. Why bother?

It's his way of coping. Talking about athletes all of whom are multiple tiers better than his hero.

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Dude. He's a Kobe fanboy who never watched basketball before Shaq's lakers. He's shook because his idol Kobe is ranked about 12th all time. Why bother?

It's his way of coping. Talking about athletes all of whom are multiple tiers better than his hero.[/QUOTE]

Damn, I triggered you so much that you still follow me around to talk shit. Rent Free.

Please, tell me again how a 35 year old LeBron is better than a peak Shaq.

Or tell me again how Kyrie is a superstar.

Dummy

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]To be honest, I currently have MJ as the GOAT, it's just fun triggering you guys.[/QUOTE]
You ain't triggering anyone who's watched the NBA as long as I have.

I may not get into all the advanced nerdy ass stats but I do know my hoops and no one I have seen is better than MJ so you ain't fooling me.

:cheers:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Damn, I triggered you so much that you still follow me around to talk shit. Rent Free.

Please, tell me again how a 35 year old LeBron is better than a peak Shaq.

Or tell me again how Kyrie is a superstar.

Dummy[/QUOTE]

Guess who's quoting me again:lol My lapdog:oldlol:

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/BZiTL5WX42C1ICWyPe/giphy.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=TheMan]You ain't triggering anyone who's watched the NBA as long as I have.

I may not get into all the advanced nerdy ass stats but I do know my hoops and no one I have seen is better than MJ do you ain't fooling me.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

You can just tell he's seething as he sits ther frothing at the mouth, holding his Kobe doll:lol

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Guess who's quoting me again:lol My lapdog:oldlol:

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/BZiTL5WX42C1ICWyPe/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

That's right bitch. Stay in your lane.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]That's right bitch. Stay in your lane.[/QUOTE]

There it is:lol the ad-hominem by a Kobe stan who is absolutely fuming:lol

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Dude. He's a Kobe fanboy who never watched basketball before Shaq's lakers. He's shook because his idol Kobe is ranked about 12th all time. Why bother?

It's his way of coping. Talking about athletes all of whom are multiple tiers better than his hero.[/QUOTE]
:lol

[QUOTE=TheMan]:lol[/QUOTE]

:roll: :banana:

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]There it is:lol the ad-hominem by a Kobe stan who is absolutely fuming:lol[/QUOTE]

Not even close, Lebron is a category above Kobe.

You just think that I'm a Kobe stan because I exposed your ass when you said Magic and a 40 year old Kareem was a better duo than 2001 Shaq and Kobe.

[QUOTE=TheMan]You ain't triggering anyone who's watched the NBA as long as I have.

I may not get into all the advanced nerdy ass stats but I do know my hoops and no one I have seen is better than MJ so you ain't fooling me.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

saying lebron is 5-6 spots below mj is a big jump from just saying mj is better than lebron. you do realize the difference and why the first one is going get responses even though most agree with the second statement.

ik my hoops too(for this forum at least). Lebron's got like the 3rd best peak of all time, closest perimeter player to mj clearly imo. Not too strong of a case but there is someone else in shaq who does have a good case. strong longevity gives him a strong case for top 3 all time.

What are the arguments for Lebron being top3?


Stats? :roll:

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]saying lebron is 5-6 spots below mj is a big jump from just saying mj is better than lebron. you do realize the difference and why the first one is going get responses even though most agree with the second statement.

ik my hoops too(for this forum at least). Lebron's got like the 3rd best peak of all time, closest perimeter player to mj clearly imo. Not too strong of a case but there is someone else in shaq who does. strong longevity gives him a strong case for top 3 all time.[/QUOTE]

You are one of the most logical posters on this board.

[QUOTE=Gileraracer]What are the arguments for Lebron being top3?


Stats? :roll:[/QUOTE]

idk how one could criticize 12 and 13 too much. Go ahead and mention ray allen's shot and prove how lazy you are. 09 is one of the few candidates for the best raw carryjob during the rs ever. lebron's defense has prevented his cle rs' from being great but playoff lebron is absolutely a thing. Getting smashed by gs doesnt change that(even in 17 including the gs series, cle played like a truly great team according to srs which accounts for sos so weak east isnt a counter argument)

longevity and consistency matter too. lebron's had wat a 15 year prime. MJ is the best player of all time but I would seriously consider kareem for greatest of all time because his longevity dwarfs any of the other all time greats and he has like a top 5 ish peak. Playoff performance is pretty great, not too much to nitpick at.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Not even close, Lebron is a category above Kobe.

You just think that I'm a Kobe stan because I exposed your ass when you said Magic and a 40 year old Kareem was a better duo than 2001 Shaq and Kobe.[/QUOTE]

He is about 3 tiers above Kobe.
Not gonna even address your attempt to derail the thread by lying.

Stick to the thread topic and stop melting down, lapdog.

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]saying lebron is 5-6 spots below mj is a big jump from just saying mj is better than lebron. you do realize the difference and why the first one is going get responses even though most agree with the second statement.

ik my hoops too(for this forum at least). Lebron's got like the 3rd best peak of all time, closest perimeter player to mj clearly imo. Not too strong of a case but there is someone else in shaq who does have a good case. strong longevity gives him a strong case for top 3 all time.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, and Lebron had insane peaks. Shaq didnt maintain it. Wilt didnt win as much and didnt perform at the same level when the stakes were highest (playoffs and finals I.e. Kobe-esque when it counted) and Lebron separates himself by playing at his level for longer than most.

If we are to rank players by tiers rather individual spots, Jordan, Kareem, and Lebron would be in the 1st. Magic, Shaq, Wilt, Bird would probably be in the 2nd. Hakeem, Duncan, Russell would be in the third, and so on.

But there isnt a player who has ever played that is THAT far ahead of Lebron. He's the best player in the past 20 years by a considerable distance, and the only one even close is Shaq. And Shaq didn't have the longevity that Lebron does.

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]He is about 3 tiers above Kobe.
Not gonna even address your attempt to derail the thread by lying.

Stick to the thread topic and stop melting down, lapdog.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]
We've seen multiple duos greater than shaq and Kobe. Jordan and pippen. Magic and Kareem. Here is a third. Kobe was just not quite good enough to make that duo as great as some of these.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468884&page=2[/url]

Nice try, imagine believing MJ-Pippen was a better duo than 2000-2004 Shaq and Kobe. :oldlol: