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I just finished watching Justice League and I'm convinced an unhinged Superman with no moral code could highhandedly take on the MCU Avengers including Capt.Marvel
Seeing how he annihilated the Justice League I could easily see him given the beat down to Thanos even with the gauntlet
Who would win, Avengers or Superman (cinematic versions for both)
Superman is not strong enough to overcome being made of dust if Thanos snapped his fingers. He could turn superman into a Jell-O pudding cup with the reality stone alone. A lot of the fighting he did in the first movie was because he likes to fight and of course you need to fight scenes but Tony explained it pretty well. It wasn’t really a fight. With all the gems?
It’s just a matter of if he feels like allowing a true fight.
He did that in the comics. He would have fights when he could simply kill everyone. It’s kind of stupid but it’s his ego.
Sure superman decided to run up on anybody at lightspeed and knock their head off nobody could beat him but he’s like Thanos. He has fights when he could simply grab a guy and throw him to the sun.
It would be a battle of two guys who only have realistic opponents because of plot induced stupidity.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Superman is not strong enough to overcome being made of dust if Thanos snapped his fingers. He could turn superman into a Jell-O pudding cup with the reality stone alone. A lot of the fighting he did in the first movie was because he likes to fight and of course you need to fight scenes but Tony explained it pretty well. It wasn
Superman speed blitzes everyone in Marvel except for Thanos w/Gauntlet and Thor w/ Stormbreaker(he's too durable so it would be a stalemate).
sups would lose, but you know who could win?
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to be 100% honest, there's no villain that could fvck with Goku :pimp:
[QUOTE=highwhey]sups would lose, but you know who could win?
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to be 100% honest, there's no villain that could fvck with Goku :pimp:[/QUOTE]I haven't seen DBZ since like GT, but apparently Ultra Instinct Goku shits on just about every version of Superman from what i've read.
[QUOTE=sammichoffate]I haven't seen DBZ since like GT, but apparently Ultra Instinct Goku shits on just about every version of Superman from what i've read.[/QUOTE]
he does indeed.
and dbz super is better than GT, it's a lot like original DBZ because the original creator/writer is involved. worth watching it.
Fox X-men >> both :confusedshrug:
I see what you three have in common... :roll: :roll:
Carry on...
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]I just finished watching Justice League and I'm convinced an unhinged Superman with no moral code could highhandedly take on the MCU Avengers including Capt.Marvel
Seeing how he annihilated the Justice League I could easily see him given the beat down to Thanos even with the gauntlet
Who would win, Avengers or Superman (cinematic versions for both)[/QUOTE]
Ummmm no
- Captain Marvel has been shown to speed blitz at speeds faster than Superman.
- Thor's durability is higher than any damage Superman has shown to output. Remember he survived the full power of a Star in Infinity War
- If Superman is pre-occupied or hesitant waiting to see what his enemy can do (like in Justice league) Dr. Strange can work all kind of magic and time stone do all sorts of damage
- And then you got other high damage/durability players like Hulk, Vision, Scarlett Witch, etc.
If it was the Avengers in that Justice League scene they would absolutely slaughter him
[QUOTE=LAmbruh]Fox X-men >> both :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
With Dark Phoenix of course...without no
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]Thanos was ego based where Superman was more code of ethics. We saw what he could do completely unhinged. That version would annihilate Thanos. Thanos would have to react to use the ring. Supes moves as fast as a base level flash, possibly faster as he caught up to a full speed Flash. The combo of abilities combined are too OP[/QUOTE]
Superman has the ability to speedblitz but he never did it. This gives Thanos a chance to snap his finger during the fight.
Goku > all, on coolness alone
[QUOTE=PickernRoller]I see what you three have in common... :roll: :roll:
Carry on...[/QUOTE]
You're an expert on getting owned by imaginary characters. Please, share your experience.with us and give us some input
[QUOTE=iamgine]Superman has the ability to speedblitz but he never did it. This gives Thanos a chance to snap his finger during the fight.[/QUOTE]
I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.[/QUOTE]
In that case it's dilemmatic. Yes he can blitz, but if Thanos does not die straight away, he can teleport. Thanos is extremely durable.
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.[/QUOTE]
And in that situation who exactly did he kill? He didnt even kill batman who is a normal human. He didnt use his speed for anything but looking at Flash then missing a punch and like...bumping him slightly away doing him no harm.
Superman is not that serious a threat. Hes a hypothetical threat. He virtually never does the things he could.
Thanos will actually destroy the universe the very instant hes capable of doing it.
Thanos wins because while Superman(even the one you reference) is throwing bullshit backhands that dont even kill normal humans he just turns him into dust and moves on.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Superman is not strong enough to overcome being made of dust if Thanos snapped his fingers.[/QUOTE]
Superman easily pulls the gauntlet off of Thanos
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Superman easily pulls the gauntlet off of Thanos
[QUOTE=DaHeezy]I'm taking the scene when Supe comes back to life where all moral ethics are off the table. No holds barred. That speed blitz comes into effect.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he didn't go straight for a speed blitz. He stared them down and dared them to make the 1st move. In this case, so many moves Thanos can use to put an end to Superman. And even if Superman were to attack 1st he would go for a forceful punch, wait for his opponent to get back up, and then be finished. That's just who he is.
Still has a better shot against Thanos than the Avengers tho. That one is complete domination by the Avengers, who would easily take out the entire Justice League
[QUOTE=Doctor K]Yeah he didn't go straight for a speed blitz. He stared them down and dared them to make the 1st move. In this case, so many moves Thanos can use to put an end to Superman. And even if Superman were to attack 1st he would go for a forceful punch, wait for his opponent to get back up, and then be finished. That's just who he is.
[B]Still has a better shot against Thanos than the Avengers tho. That one is complete domination by the Avengers, who would easily take out the entire Justice League[/B][/QUOTE]
Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team :confusedshrug:
Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.
I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.
[QUOTE=bladefd]Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team :confusedshrug:
Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.
I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.[/QUOTE]
Thanos is basically Darkseid. Supes is gonna have a hard time. Thor also beats Superman solo since he is weak to magic (Just like how Shazam beats Superman)
[QUOTE=bladefd]Superman alone takes out almost the entire Avengers team :confusedshrug:
Thor+Sentry would be a challenge, Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch could cause issues with their magic. Everyone else getting smashed to smithereens with a bloodthirsty Superman alone. We have not even added Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonder woman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Captain Atom or Doctor Fate or Batman to the party.
I don't think Superman can beat Thanos with the stones. Without the stones, Superman would hold his own vs Thanos though for however long he wants.[/QUOTE]
Ummmm no
- Captain Marvel has been shown to speed blitz at speeds faster than Superman.
- Thor's durability is higher than any damage Superman has shown to output. Remember he survived the full power of a Star in Infinity War
- If Superman is pre-occupied or hesitant waiting to see what his enemy can do (like in Justice league) Dr. Strange can work all kind of magic and time stone do all sorts of damage
- And then you got other high damage/durability players like Hulk, Vision, Scarlett Witch, etc.
[QUOTE=Doctor K]Ummmm no
- Captain Marvel has been shown to speed blitz at speeds faster than Superman.
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Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.
[QUOTE]- Thor's durability is higher than any damage Superman has shown to output. Remember he survived the full power of a Star in Infinity War[/QUOTE]
1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood.
[QUOTE]- If Superman is pre-occupied or hesitant waiting to see what his enemy can do (like in Justice league) Dr. Strange can work all kind of magic and time stone do all sorts of damage[/QUOTE]
Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.
Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.
Pissed off Homelander>>>>>>>Superman
Phoenix
Creator of life and death and all matter, can exist in multiple realities simultaneously
More powerful than the infinity stones combined
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.
1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood.
Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.
Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.[/QUOTE]
Superman is exactly as vulnerable to magic as a normal human. Strange could literally remove his soul and talk to it like the Ancient one did Hulk.
People always talk about what Superman could do if they got to control his behavior and make him fight the way he should if he were serious about winning......ignoring that he never does. But we do that and then ignore that other people hold back too.
The majority of the cosmic things Dr.Strange fights could wipe out superman with a thought. Hes a physical being.
He wouldnt be a threat to most things with cosmic powers.The Silver Surfer could turn him into candy corn and nothing superman does could hurt him.
Everyone fighting without holding back the way we give superman credit for doing in every hypothetical he wouldnt be near the greatest threat.
Reed Richardsons son creates universes and stores them in a box.
Superman isnt really that OP. Hes too based in the physical world. He hits hard and hes fast. That isnt enough to defeat a great deal of marvel.
Superman on his best day isnt a threat to a herald of galactus who themselves get beaten all the time. Superman has weaker enemies than in Marvel. He punches things hard. That will not cut it vs something like the Phoenix. And Thanos defeated the physical embodiment of time and space with the gauntlet....Silver Surfer moving at light speed wasnt able to get the glove off him.
That was their entire original plan. Send every hero on earth at him at once as a distraction...surfer hangs back....comes in at warp speed to snatch it off. Thanos still detected his approach and narrowly evaded him.
Thanos was more watered down in the MCU than superman is in the DCU.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Captain Marvel is a drunk who can’t even win a fight against Rogue from X-Men.
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Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos and if Thanos didn't use his infinity stones would've won that fight. She has shown great energy output and strong durability as well along with her light-like traveling speed.
[QUOTE]1. It was a dwarf star.
2. Superman has proven himself to be stronger than a black hole, which is certainly more powerful than a dwarf star. Ergo, Superman is more powerful than something that is more powerful than the star Thor withstood. [/QUOTE]
Didn't Superman get knocked unconscious after taking an atomic bomb?
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Avengers can’t even win a fight with Thanos, who is basically just a weaker Darkseid, who Superman has beaten.
Superman is a genuinely lame character because he’s stupidly overpowered and only has one weakness that needs to be worked into almost every storyline. Lots of Avengers characters are better, cooler characters than Superman. But outside of them having kryptonite, Superman would wreck them.[/QUOTE]
Superman beat Darkshield in the movies? We are talking about their cinematic versions here. And all the avengers together would've easily taken Thanos, they were separate half half when they failed and barely failed. Together they would've won.
Superman absolutely has no chance against the Avengers. As someone said, as soon as Superman is even a bit occupied with Hulk/Marvel/Thor, Strange can finish him off, he can literally even undo damage that Superman does. And I don't even think Superman wins even with Strange not present. Captain Marvel's feats have been almost on-par with Superman (I'll give Superman the edge) but with Thor/Hulk/Vision/Witch it's just too much
[QUOTE=Doctor K]Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.
seems the thread has summarized the movie Megamind
which would be parallel to the argument, if some dude is getting all the ladies, are there even any ladies left for the norms??
[QUOTE=scuzzy]Phoenix
Creator of life and death and all matter, can exist in multiple realities simultaneously
More powerful than the infinity stones combined[/QUOTE]
I think this was shown to be false. Infinity Gauntlet > Phoenix+Celestials+Living Tribunal+Eternity+etc.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]:facepalm
This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.[/QUOTE]
Could be PIS.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]:facepalm
This is not a hypothetical. Captain Marvel has fought Rogue on multiple occasions and lost every time.[/QUOTE]
We are talking about their cinematic versions right? Which is so far apart from comic versions? :facepalm
Check the OP bro
[QUOTE=Doctor K]We are talking about their cinematic versions right? Which is so far apart from comic versions? :facepalm
Check the OP bro[/QUOTE]
And the movies largely follow various comic storylines. In the comics, Rogue takes Captain Marvel
[QUOTE=Doctor K]Umm no? Captain Marvel held her ground against Thanos and if Thanos didn't use his infinity stones would've won that fight. She has shown great energy output and strong durability as well along with her light-like traveling speed.
Didn't Superman get knocked unconscious after taking an atomic bomb?
Superman beat Darkshield in the movies? We are talking about their cinematic versions here. And all the avengers together would've easily taken Thanos, they were separate half half when they failed and barely failed. Together they would've won.
Superman absolutely has no chance against the Avengers. As someone said, as soon as Superman is even a bit occupied with Hulk/Marvel/Thor, Strange can finish him off, he can literally even undo damage that Superman does. And I don't even think Superman wins even with Strange not present. Captain Marvel's feats have been almost on-par with Superman (I'll give Superman the edge) but with Thor/Hulk/Vision/Witch it's just too much[/QUOTE]
Dr Fate can hold Dr Strange in check. Easily.
Superman would make chutney out of Captain Marvel. Hell, Shazam aka the original Captain Marvel would spank Captain Marvel's ass red :oldlol:
Set Wonder woman and Captain Atom on hulk and superman on Thor. Shazam on Captain Marvel. Flash and hawk girl can keep Vision busy. Martian manhunter on the Scarlett Witch. Green lantern can take on Iron man. Batman on Captain America. It's a wrap.
My money would decidedly be on an unhinged, moral-less Superman... especially under a yellow sun. We've seen versions of this Superman in the past, but rarely uncaged and out for blood. The problem with Superman is that he simply has too many powers with which to adequately contend if he isn't holding back, and he can use them in concert: strength, super speed, flight, heat vision, super hearing, super vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, hurricane breath, durability, excellent healing factor. His Flash-lite speed and ridiculous strength alone make it difficult to defend against him. Someone with his strength hitting someone with the kind of speed he can harness would leave almost all the Avengers dead within the first second.
Thanos... that's a fun matchup. Without the Infinity gauntlent and all the stones, it's a cakewalk for an unbridled Superman; again, just too many powers and skills to deal with. Now a Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet and all the stones is tough to beat, and almost a loss for any version of Superman. However, if Superman is aware of Thanos' ability with the gauntlet, Thanos likely wouldn't have an opportunity to use it before Superman uses his speed to simply break his arm, break his fingers, or take the gauntlet from him.
[QUOTE]Why else would they give a D-list character like Captain Marvel her own movie?[/QUOTE]
To make a billion dollar profit?
Movie cost 175 million and made 1.2 billion before accounting for home release and streaming.
They arent making a movie to set up a supporting xmen character.
They may let Rogue get her powers but thats not the reason to introduce her.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]My money would decidedly be on an unhinged, moral-less Superman... especially under a yellow sun. We've seen versions of this Superman in the past, but rarely uncaged and out for blood. The problem with Superman is that he simply has too many powers with which to adequately contend if he isn't holding back, and he can use them in concert: strength, super speed, flight, heat vision, super hearing, super vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, hurricane breath, durability, excellent healing factor. His Flash-lite speed and ridiculous strength alone make it difficult to defend against him. Someone with his strength hitting someone with the kind of speed he can harness would leave almost all the Avengers dead within the first second.
Thanos... that's a fun matchup. Without the Infinity gauntlent and all the stones, it's a cakewalk for an unbridled Superman; again, just too many powers and skills to deal with. Now a Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet and all the stones is tough to beat, and almost a loss for any version of Superman. However, if Superman is aware of Thanos' ability with the gauntlet, Thanos likely wouldn't have an opportunity to use it before Superman uses his speed to simply break his arm, break his fingers, or take the gauntlet from him.[/QUOTE]
The only way that works is Thanos making a conscious effort to weaken himself for a fight to be fun like he did in the comics....when the Surfer tried the "Come in at warp speed with super strength" thing and Thanos still dodged him. He felt stupid for letting them get close and decided to go back to full power....but it still didnt work on his limited form used to give them a fighting chance.
We are giving Superman credit for what he could do going all out but putting him against a Thanos with restrictions.
100% all out comics superman vs Gauntlet thanos isnt a fight. Superman is exactly the same threat as a blade of grass to the all out comics Thanos.
Galactus, Time and Space in physical form, and the Celestials who wipe out planets with a thought threw literal galaxies at him to no effect. Whats superman gonna do? Punch him so hard the multiverse collapses?
Beings who could actually destroy the universe couldnt stop him.
Superman is not a threat to anything on the cosmic level. Is he gonna punch the phoenix force which is just the energy of all future life in the universe? How does a punch kill life force?
Superman is physical. Hes nothing to these beings of energy. And those beings couldnt even slow Thanos down.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The only way that works is Thanos making a conscious effort to weaken himself for a fight to be fun like he did in the comics....when the Surfer tried the "Come in at warp speed with super strength" thing and Thanos still dodged him. He felt stupid for letting them get close and decided to go back to full power....but it still didnt work on his limited form used to give them a fighting chance.
We are giving Superman credit for what he could do going all out but putting him against a Thanos with restrictions.
100% all out comics superman vs Gauntlet thanos isnt a fight. Superman is exactly the same threat as a blade of grass to the all out comics Thanos.
Galactus, Time and Space in physical form, and the Celestials who wipe out planets with a thought threw literal galaxies at him to no effect. Whats superman gonna do? Punch him so hard the multiverse collapses?
Beings who could actually destroy the universe couldnt stop him.
Superman is not a threat to anything on the cosmic level. Is he gonna punch the phoenix force which is just the energy of all future life in the universe? How does a punch kill life force?
Superman is physical. Hes nothing to these beings of energy. And those beings couldnt even slow Thanos down.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I misread, but...
[QUOTE]MCU Avengers vs DCCU Superman[/QUOTE]
Thanos without the gauntlet doesn't have the feats in the MCU world indicating that he can deal with DCCU Superman's speed in concert with his strength and other powers. It's just not a fair match for Thanos here... especially if we're talking a resurrected Superman from JL. It's a stomp fest for Supes sans gauntlet, and it's not really close.
As I mentioned, the gauntlet is what gives Thanos his edge over Superman, but much of it depends on what Superman knows. If he knows anything about the gauntlet, an uninhibited Supes stands a fair chance in ending things embarrassingly fast.
The DC superman supposedly uninhibited didnt actually hurt....anyone. He knocked wonder woman back...shoulder bumped flash who got right back up....and knocked Aquaman back who also seemed unharmed. Batman is a normal human and came out unharmed. Thanos actually wiped out half the universe.
As is often the case with superman he gets credit for what you think he could do in a situation you get to control but his opponent has limitations.
Put both of them in the superman "He could...." position and ignore what they actually did Thanos can stop time, destroy the universe, or turn superman into an oreo.
As I said Superman isnt really that much of a threat....hes a "If he does this the way I think he should" threat who is still eliminated if you give everyone he faces the same credit for what they could do in an ideal situation.
The most damage superman could do is fly light speed into a planet and destroy it I suppose.
Thanos was going to destroy and rebuild the universe.
This isnt a real comparison.