Which players are closest to perfect?

I was thinking about this after a response about one of Harden's glaring aesthetic flaws (flopping, drawing fouls):

[B]Which player is the closest to perfect that has ever played the game?
[/B]

[U]Every player has [B]weaknesses[/B].
[/U]
Jordan was not a consistent 3pt shooter.
Bird was not an athletic freak.
Magic wasn't a 3pt shooter
Neither was Kareem
Kobe was prone to spam shots and shoot a low percentage
LeBron is not very skilled, relies on strength
Harden tries too hard to draw fouls
Curry is too small and is prone to disappearing in big moments
Wade was not a volume shooter, not a 3 shooter
Wilt was a choker
Russell was not a good shooter.
Dr. J couldnt hit threes

on and on...

[B]SO WHO WAS THE CLOSEST TO PERFECT?
[/B]
I say Jordan and Bird.

Jordan with more practice may have mastered the three point shot, perhaps looking more like Kawhi Leonard today, but more explosive. That shot wasn't featured in his era.

Bird, with today's strength regimens, may have gotten a little stronger to last longer in the league and not have the back issues that cut his longevity... a less athletic LeBron with way more skill. (Doncic?)

Or was it Russell, who refused to lose in the finals, winning an unprecedented 11 ships in the golden age?

[B]UPDATE:[/B]
[U]New shit has come to light[/U]
Jordan on defense really cant get you anywhere with bigger dudes one-on-one.
Duncan seems to be as close to flawless as it gets
TMac, TMac, TMac
Shaq still couldn't hit jumpshots.
Hakeem and Garnett... if they were only combined.

How is LeBron not skilled?

[QUOTE=AirBonner]How is LeBron not skilled?[/QUOTE]

Never said he was not skilled. Obviously he is, but compared to the all-time greats like Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, Gervin he is not as skilled as them. He has no teardrop shot, no finger roll, no lefty hookshots. He's basically about speed, strength, some spin moves and he's got that fadeaway. His three-ball is good too. He's lost a lot of moves since leaving Miami. I think he compartmentalized a lot of stuff. Maybe he feels he didnt need em.

Now he's all about that elbow. He knows he can get away with it. Instead of going to old man moves he's pushing people off. That shows a lack of true all-time skill.

He's a bull dog.

When does your 305Baller account get unbanned?

[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]When does your 305Baller account get unbanned?[/QUOTE]

Not my account. Next question.

Mods.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]Never said he was not skilled. Obviously he is, but compared to the all-time greats like Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, Gervin he is not as skilled as them. [B]He has no teardrop shot[/B], no finger roll, no lefty hookshots. He's basically about speed, strength, some spin moves and he's got that fadeaway. His three-ball is good too. He's lost a lot of skill since leaving Miami. I think he compartmentalized a lot of stuff. Maybe he feels he didnt need em.

He's a bull dog.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm


AKA

[QUOTE=RRR3]:facepalm


AKA “I don’t watch LeBron play”[/QUOTE]

I added more stuff since your reply. Can you show me a video of LeBron doing a teardrop? Does he even need it? He does a scooper after getting position.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]I added more stuff since your reply. Can you show me a video of LeBron doing a teardrop? Does he even need it? He does a scooper after getting position.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://youtu.be/Rfsj8zHNfls[/url]
[url]https://youtu.be/yb1uOz4fcC4[/url]

[QUOTE=RRR3][url]https://youtu.be/Rfsj8zHNfls[/url]
[url]https://youtu.be/yb1uOz4fcC4[/url][/QUOTE]

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yeaaah. first one is kind of a teardrop. in no traffic. more like a one-handed shot. but i'll give you that one.

second one is in miami where he had the most skillz.

not graceful, but he pulls some shit sometimes.

kelly oubre jr., just look at him.

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]kelly oubre jr., just look at him.[/QUOTE]

:lol youve been on that Oubre dick

teardrops (last one is da best tho)

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=DoctorP]teardrops (last one is da best tho)

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ[/URL][/QUOTE]


[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc[/URL]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ghost1][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc[/URL]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k[/URL][/QUOTE]


:cheers:

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[QUOTE=DoctorP]:cheers:

[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J9sEVCoCLB3y22Y/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfas0f3qmlc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfas0f3qmlc[/URL]

the best horse player



















of all time

Prime McGrady

[QUOTE=bison]Prime McGrady[/QUOTE]
:bowdown:

[QUOTE=bison]Prime McGrady[/QUOTE]

Beat me to it.

[QUOTE=bison]Prime McGrady[/QUOTE]

never won championships.
limited peak.
short longevity

Op you are confusing skill with aesthetically pleasing. LeBron is immensely skilled.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]never won championships.
limited peak.
short longevity[/QUOTE]
None of these things have to do with how he played. You

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Op you are confusing skill with aesthetically pleasing. LeBron is immensely skilled.[/QUOTE]

yes he is skilled. he doesn't have all-time great skill. sorry but he's not [B]PERFECT[/B]

[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/rJ8aZR.gif[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]None of these things have to do with how he played. You’re OP seemed to be about skill/well-roundedness on the court[/QUOTE]

I'm pointing out some flaws. You may be right when it comes to on court game. He had it all. Was his passing elite? Maybe not.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]yes he is skilled. he doesn't have all-time great skill. sorry but he's not [B]PERFECT[/B]

[IMG]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/rJ8aZR.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Duncan is as close to perfect as you can get

[QUOTE=Ghost1][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk[/URL][/QUOTE]

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DoctorUrinartion AKA “The Whiz”

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Duncan is as close to perfect as you can get[/QUOTE]


No perimeter game. Nah, just kidding. he could hit from outside. He was pretty damn close to perfect.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]No perimeter game[/QUOTE]
Fundamentals too strong. He could also hit the 3. Came into the league and immediately started winning. That is no fluke

[QUOTE=RRR3]DoctorUrinartion AKA

So far it

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Fundamentals too strong. He could also hit the 3. Came into the league and immediately started winning. That is no fluke[/QUOTE]

Nah, just kidding. he could hit from outside. He was pretty damn close to perfect.

Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.

[QUOTE=AirBonner]So far it’s Duncan. Anyone else?[/QUOTE]

Duncan's weaknesses:
slow footed
couldnt guard quick quards

other than that he was pretty flawless

[QUOTE=DoctorP]Duncan's weaknesses:
slow footed
couldnt guard quick quards[/QUOTE]
LeBron can guard 1-5 and moved like a freight train

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.[/QUOTE]

Shaq was far from a perfect player :lol

put him outside of the paint and he's done.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.[/QUOTE]

Hakeem's shooting range. Not the greatest.

[QUOTE=DoctorP]Shaq was far from a perfect player :lol

put him outside of the paint and he's done.[/QUOTE]

Problem is: you can't put him outside if he doesn't want to go outside. It's not a video game, it's actual basketball. Peak Shaq was probably the best player ever. Some FTs, work ethic... pretty damn perfect to me.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Problem is: you can't put him outside if he doesn't want to go outside. It's not a video game, it's actual basketball. Peak Shaq was probably the best player ever. Some FTs, work ethic... pretty damn perfect to me.[/QUOTE]

ok. noted. I wouldnt guard steph curry with Shaq or Duncan but I hear you.

[QUOTE=AirBonner]LeBron can guard 1-5 and moved like a freight train[/QUOTE]

Yeah, LeBron is unique. A beast. I'd definitely pick LeBron over Jordan on defense.