Would Giannis get respect if he joined with Luka and Anthony Davis?

Because that is basically what LeBron did in 2011. He joined with the 2nd and 4th highest ranked PER in the league....and he even ended up losing

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Giannis

So Bosh > Kobe in 2010? :lol

PER is the same stat that thinks Hassan Whiteside is a hall of famer.

Low IQ op strikes again.

PER is basically an aggregate of the box score.

So you guys trying to say box scores are meaningless now?....

Tread lightly little ones, you are entering dangerous territory

[QUOTE=RRR3]PER is the same stat that thinks Hassan Whiteside is a hall of famer. [/QUOTE]


Some stats are useful. Which ones? Always the ones that have 'facts' which are useful for us in an argument. What? We don't have any such stats? No worries. We will come up with new 'advanced' stats. There is a reason we call them 'advanced'. They serve our goals. PER was once such a stat. not any more. We have GmScr now. Etc.

PER is all well and good, but it doesn't really reflect impact. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh's BPM in 2010: 12.5, 9.4, 2.7. Bosh was never close to being on LeBron and Wade's level regardless of being 4th in PER for the season.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Because that is basically what LeBron did in 2011. He joined with the 2nd and 4th highest ranked PER in the league....and he even ended up losing

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Giannis

No, he'd get laughed at just like Lebron.

If he then ended up winning with diminished versions of Luka/Davis, he'd get more credit, but still kind of be laughed at, again...like Lebron was...for stacking the deck.

Wouldn't make him a worse player though. If he's out there playing like an all-time great player...seems like we would still rate him as an all-time great player....because he is.

:confusedshrug:

I’d like OP to tell me when Bosh has ever been close to AD or current Luka :oldlol:

Wade was way better than luka and current west >>> 2011-2014 east.

The cowardice is still unprecedented.

[QUOTE=Smoke117]PER is all well and good, but it doesn't really reflect impact. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh's BPM in 2010: 12.5, 9.4, 2.7. Bosh was never close to being on LeBron and Wade's level regardless of being 4th in PER for the season.[/QUOTE]


People only pretend to think per accurately ranks players when it's convenient. They know they're full of shit.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]People only pretend to think per accurately ranks players when it's convenient. They know they're full of shit.[/QUOTE]

At least it has Kobe Bryant nailed down pretty accurately

The media/fans would scold him like they did Lebron and anything short of a title would be seen as an utter failure, which 2011 was.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Because that is basically what LeBron did in 2011. He joined with the 2nd and 4th highest ranked PER in the league....and he even ended up losing

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Giannis

[QUOTE=tpols]Wade was way better than luka and current west >>> 2011-2014 east.

The cowardice is still unprecedented.[/QUOTE]

Don't be crazy.

Luka is better offensively at 20 than Wade ever was.

Giannis, Doncic, AD


daaamn

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]People only pretend to think per accurately ranks players when it's convenient. They know they're full of shit.[/QUOTE]

It adds up all he box score together. That

[QUOTE=Ghost1]Giannis, Doncic, AD


daaamn[/QUOTE]

I'd watch

Kobe ranks #25 all time in PER.

OP may be on to something here because that sounds about right.

Hmm.

[QUOTE=Shogon]Kobe ranks #25 all time in PER.

OP may be on to something here because that sounds about right.

Hmm.[/QUOTE]

This thread has nothing to do with Kobe.

Obsessed.

And exposed.

[QUOTE=Shogon]Kobe ranks #25 all time in PER.

OP may be on to something here because that sounds about right.

Hmm.[/QUOTE]

According to LeBron fans that is around where they have him ranked....:lol

So according to LeBron fans...

PER is relevant when rating Kobe Bryant

PER is relevant when rating LeBron James

PER is NOT RELEVANT when rating LeBron James

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]This thread has nothing to do with Kobe.

Obsessed.

And exposed.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=warriorfan]According to LeBron fans that is around where they have him ranked....:lol

So according to LeBron fans...

PER is relevant when rating Kobe Bryant

PER is relevant when rating LeBron James

PER is NOT RELEVANT when rating LeBron James

[QUOTE=warriorfan]According to LeBron fans that is around where they have him ranked....:lol

So according to LeBron fans...

PER is relevant when rating Kobe Bryant

PER is relevant when rating LeBron James

PER is NOT RELEVANT when rating LeBron James

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]:roll:[/QUOTE]

PER with Kobe, Yes
PER with myBran, Yes
PER with myBrans historically stacked cast, [I]No no no!!![/I]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]According to LeBron fans that is around where they have him ranked....:lol

So according to LeBron fans...

PER is relevant when rating Kobe Bryant

PER is relevant when rating LeBron James

PER is NOT RELEVANT when rating LeBron James

[QUOTE=Shogon]I never said per meant anything. It

[QUOTE=Shogon][IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/tIFtLCKZEurywLm0gG/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I smesh you.

Send me location.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]We can go down the PER is 100 percent useless, box scores don’t mean anything road. Go by eye test and winning, that’s it.

Jordan/Russell > KAJ > Kobe > Magic > Bird > Bran....


Tough break...looks like LeBron fans should have stuck to PER and box, those are myBran’s strong suits[/QUOTE]

The eye test doesn’t definitively mean anything either because people are flawed and retarded.

There is no verifiably objective truth with our limited means of assessment and measurement.

The amount of data to objectively determine such a thing is simply unknowable at this time in human history.

[QUOTE=Shogon]The eye test doesn

[QUOTE=MaxPlayer]Eye test = "muh feels"

I can't believe anyone would legit refer to it as a meaningful metric[/QUOTE]

You are right who cares about fundamental understanding of the game when we can have IncelJam2 copy paste BPM and Ortg

Curryfan

If y'all cling to this PER narrative, then you need to concede

LeBron is the 2nd best player of all time
Gasol was the Lakers best player in 2010
Kobe was barely top 15

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]If y'all cling to this PER narrative, then you need to concede

LeBron is the 2nd best player of all time
Gasol was the Lakers best player in 2010
Kobe was barely top 15[/QUOTE]

Aren't those all obviously true?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]If y'all cling to this PER narrative, then you need to concede

LeBron is the 2nd best player of all time
Gasol was the Lakers best player in 2010
Kobe was barely top 15[/QUOTE]

LeBron has a good PER but severely underachieved with the quality of teammates around him. He

[QUOTE=warriorfan]LeBron has a good PER but severely underachieved with the quality of teammates around him. He’s basically a modern day Wilt Chaimberlain. Great stats, amazing teammates, relatively very low championship count though when all things are considered.[/QUOTE]
Talk about underachieving, what did Bosh do with all that PER in 2010? Miss the playoffs in the East :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Talk about underachieving, what did Bosh do with all that PER in 2010? Miss the playoffs in the East :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

His second best player was Andrea Bargnani you clown. :lol

Take off LBJ off the Cavs and replace him with Bosh and they are going to the playoffs every year.

WarriorTears :lol

I guess the 0 FMVP Curry repost really got to him. No more stake outs :(

Imagine melting this hard because of this post from 2015...

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Link to laughable thread:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379867[/url]

It's just too good.

Giannis would get respect if he was on a big market team

[QUOTE=MaxPlayer]Eye test = "muh feels"

I can't believe anyone would legit refer to it as a meaningful metric[/QUOTE]

Then why do nba players prefer kobe over bron?