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I've been reading that some are attempting to mention that Curry was "injured" during the 2016 playoffs but the data suggests otherwise.
Curry was actually playing close to Finals MVP level stats for his first 9 games back until he ran into the defensive anchor that is LeBron Raymone James.
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/cHWZ2VQn/Curry-2016-playoffs.png[/img]
What does this say to you guys about Curry?
wow look at that drop off between series, perhaps his injury just so happened to flare up again in the Finals after 30 days since his Portland return. but still that doesn't explain his other underwhelming Finals, unless random injury flared up during those Finals as well. very fascinating
[QUOTE=Stanley Kobrick;13964554]wow look at that drop off between series, perhaps his injury just so happened to flare up again in the Finals after 30 days since his Portland return. but still that doesn't explain his other underwhelming Finals, unless random injury flared up during those Finals as well. very fascinating[/QUOTE]
Maybe something similar happened to Kobe in the finals too
They say extreme stress can manifest in physical discomfort
LeBron happened
[video=youtube_share;rkm3LVYhInM]https://youtu.be/rkm3LVYhInM[/video]
[QUOTE=Stanley Kobrick;13964554]wow look at that drop off between series, perhaps his injury just so happened to flare up again in the Finals after 30 days since his Portland return. but still that doesn't explain his other underwhelming Finals, unless random injury flared up during those Finals as well. very fascinating[/QUOTE]
Indeed, good sir. It makes you wonder. Does Curry just always have a magical injury flare up in the Finals over the last 5 years? Some Warriors fans might suggest so, but being pragmatic, high level thinkers, most know better...Curry disappears when his team needs him most. 29/6/7 on 50% to 22/4/4 on 40%. Yikes
[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;13964560]Maybe something similar happened to Kobe in the finals too
They say extreme stress can manifest in physical discomfort[/QUOTE]
Curry and Kobe both suffer from Final-itis, this is why it took Kobe 8 tries to get his first Finals MVP and it has already taken beta Cuckry five tries. He is working on a sixth attempt so he could be 0 for 6.
[QUOTE=Manny98;13964561]LeBron happened
[video=youtube_share;rkm3LVYhInM]https://youtu.be/rkm3LVYhInM[/video][/QUOTE]
LeBron's ability to SHUT DOWN a 30 point, 50/40/90 Unanimous MVP to the tune of 22/4/4 on 40% is the true icing on the cake. LeBron's defensive efforts that series, leading ALL in steals and rebounds as well, clearly exemplifies goatness to a level we will never see again. LeBron led all in all, while reducing a 30 on 50/40/90 player to 22 on 40%. Astounding.
[QUOTE=Rico2016;13964563]Curry and Kobe both suffer from Final-itis, this is why it took Kobe 8 tries to get his first Finals MVP and it has already taken beta Cuckry five tries. He is working on a sixth attempt so he could be 0 for 6.[/QUOTE]
Sadly without at least 3 superstars alongside Curry he won't be making another finals appearance. He's retiring on top with a staggering 4 pity FMVP votes, a record even he knows he can't match again
Curry is one of the greatest scorers ever, and definitely the best shooter ever. I won't say he was injured in that Finals series. I can say he might have been nervous since in 2015 he did not get the Finals MVP and he wanted it so badly that it cost him everything again. I can't believe he dropped off that bady tho. 30 to 22. 50% fg to 40%. LeBron IS that man. Curry is top 10 all time though. Who else has a 30 point 50-40-90 season and Unanimous MVP and 3 rings and 2 MVPs and all the shooting records? His palms just get a little sweaty in the Finals but that's it really.
Waiting on [B][I]one[/I][/B] Curry fan to admit that LBJ had him shook and locked him up to 22 on 40% shooting that year.
yikes no curry fan will touch this they know better :oldlol:
Curry was not injured, he came back strong af but ran into the goat player at his apex peak with 29/11/9/3/2 for a series what can you do
this is a very exquisite graph Rico2016, did you make this yourself? very impressive
Well there's two ways of looking at it
If you want to look at it intelligently, here's a good breakdown of what occurred with Curry
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUU5q2kSDtk[/url]
If you want the braindead version, well, thread speaks for itself there
[QUOTE=Rico2016;13964552]I've been reading that some are attempting to mention that Curry was "injured" during the 2016 playoffs but the data suggests otherwise.
Curry was actually playing close to Finals MVP level stats for his first 9 games back until he ran into the defensive anchor that is LeBron Raymone James.
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/cHWZ2VQn/Curry-2016-playoffs.png[/img]
What does this say to you guys about Curry?[/QUOTE]
facts are hard to accept for some
as competition increases, Curry shrinks
more news at 11
He got too accustomed to having bye rounds from opposing star players getting injured then got pounded by his LeDaddy.
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;13964896]He got too accustomed to having bye rounds from opposing star players getting injured then got pounded by his LeDaddy.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure it wasn't your intention but thanks for reminding us that the Eastern Conference was basically one series of byes compared to the West.
[QUOTE=Stephonit;13964898]I'm sure it wasn't your intention but thanks for reminding us that the Eastern Conference was basically one series of byes compared to the West.[/QUOTE]
What happened to Curry in the 2016 Finals?
[QUOTE=Rico2016;13964900]What happened to Curry in the 2016 Finals?[/QUOTE]
Clearly he had exhausted his energy coming back from 3-1 down against to the team with the two closest MVPs in time to him and thus finished enervated in the finals. Meanwhile the lesser player had conserved his energy going through that gantlet in the East headlined by DeMar DeRozan.
he got injured in the first round & almost missed a month of the Playoffs as a result, was worn down by the Finals. Cavaliers kept trapping him and Harrison Barnes kept bricking wide open shots. Curry actually set the 3PT record in that Finals series IIRC.
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;13964896]He got too accustomed to having bye rounds from opposing star players getting injured then got pounded by his LeDaddy.[/QUOTE]
like he wasn't the one out with a knee injury in the middle of the POs and led his team to a comeback from down 1 - 3 against Durant & Westbrook..
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965100]he got injured in the first round & almost missed a month of the Playoffs as a result, was worn down by the Finals.
like he wasn't the one out with a knee injury in the middle of the POs and led his team to a comeback from down 1 - 3 against Durant & Westbrook..[/QUOTE] WOJ confirmed that in April 2016 the MRI came back negative meaning no injury. So your point doesn't stands btw. Look, regardless on what if the injury impacted him. Curry simply underperformed that Finals and choked. Simple as that.
Also you contradict yourself. If Curry led his team coming back dropping 36 points and 7 3's to close the series out did Curry's injury even matter? :confusedshrug:
Most of this thread is one person talking to themselves.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13965102]WOJ confirmed that in April 2016 the MRI came back negative meaning no injury. So your point doesn't stands btw. Look, regardless on what if the injury impacted him. Curry simply underperformed that Finals and choked. Simple as that.
Also you contradict yourself. If Curry led his team coming back dropping 36 points and 7 3's to close the series out did Curry's injury even matter? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, so he just sat out what was basically 4 weeks for nothing? sure buddy. And the OKC series is obviously different with the match-ups they had and Harrison Barnes wasn't historically bad in that series, meaning OKC's defense had to respect his shooting while also covering Steph & Klay, and OKC didn't have a guy like Tristan Thompson that they could plug in at the 5, who was able to help out on everyone, Warriors could put Adams in the P&R and exploit that match-up, not so much with the Cavs.
Steph did have 38 points and 7 threes to put the Warriors up 3 - 1 in the Finals and I think he did break the Finals 3PT record for a 7-game series while shooting 40% from three, so it's not like his shot was gone, it's just that the Cavs weren't willing to give up any driving lanes and they left Green & Barnes open from 3 for basically the entire series. Also, take into account that most Finals games were blowouts and Steph only averaged 35 mpg as a result, whereas he was playing 37-40+ minutes in the last 4 games of that Thunder series and really had to do a lot for them to come back in that series, while the Cavs were chilling after an easy ECF against Toronto. Cavs definitely had an easier road to the Finals while the Warriors had to deal with Steph's injury & playing 3 straight elimination games to get to the Finals. Cavs only needed 14 games to get to the Finals vs Warriors' 17.
Of course the injuries matter, but you only seem to bring them up when it benefits your argument or when you're bashing Steph. It's no big deal that he had to sit out all the games he did, that had no effect whatsoever, right?
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965127]Oh yeah, so he just sat out what was basically 4 weeks for nothing? sure buddy. And the OKC series is obviously different with the match-ups they had and Harrison Barnes wasn't historically bad in that series, meaning OKC's defense had to respect his shooting while also covering Steph & Klay, and OKC didn't have a guy like Tristan Thompson that they could plug in at the 5, who was able to help out on everyone, Warriors could put Adams in the P&R and exploit that match-up, not so much with the Cavs.
Steph did have 38 points and 7 threes to put the Warriors up 3 - 1 in the Finals and I think he did break the Finals 3PT record for a 7-game series while shooting 40% from three, so it's not like his shot was gone, it's just that the Cavs weren't willing to give up any driving lanes and they left Green & Barnes open from 3 for basically the entire series. Also, take into account that most Finals games were blowouts and Steph only averaged 35 mpg as a result, whereas he was playing 37-40+ minutes in the last 4 games of that Thunder series and really had to do a lot for them to come back in that series, while the Cavs were chilling after an easy ECF against Toronto. Cavs definitely had an easier road to the Finals while the Warriors had to deal with Steph's injury & playing 3 straight elimination games to get to the Finals. Cavs only needed 14 games to get to the Finals vs Warriors' 17.
Of course the injuries matter, but you only seem to bring them up when it benefits your argument or when you're bashing Steph. It's no big deal that he had to sit out all the games he did, that had no effect whatsoever, right?[/QUOTE] 1. I never said that injuries didnt hurt or impacted Steph in some way. So your point is a non-point. Curry simply choked that Finals series whenever or not Steph was impacted by his injuries regardless.
2. The Cavs did have a easier run to the Finals than the Warriors in 2016. No one is debating this.
3. Curry choked simple as that regardless of his injuries.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13965146]1. I never said that injuries didnt hurt or impacted Steph in some way. So your point is a non-point. Curry simply choked that Finals series whenever or not Steph was impacted by his injuries regardless.
2. The Cavs did have a easier run to the Finals than the Warriors in 2016. No one is debating this.
3. Curry choked simple as that regardless of his injuries.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]WOJ confirmed that in April 2016 the MRI came back negative meaning no injury. [/QUOTE]
uh
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965150]uh[/QUOTE] I never post with fake facts. Go look it up if you have to.
29-7-7, 50% fg before LeAnchor (Blazers and Thunder)
22-5-3, 40% fg after LeAnchor (Cavs)
This is not looking good. Us Curry fans are in trouble.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13965156]I never post with fake facts. Go look it up if you have to.[/QUOTE]
Not disagreeing with the Woj part, just that negative MRI = no injury. Yeah, there was no ligament/tendon damage to his knee that required surgery, but it's foolish to think him injuring his knee 80+ games into the season had no impact on his Playoff run. He played 38 minutes of their first 8 Playoff games, it wasn't a minor injury.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965203]Not disagreeing with the Woj part, just that negative MRI = no injury. Yeah, there was no ligament/tendon damage to his knee that required surgery, but it's foolish to think him injuring his knee 80+ games into the season had no impact on his Playoff run. He played 38 minutes of their first 8 Playoff games, it wasn't a minor injury.[/QUOTE]
But after his mild 'injury' he did come back and did great until the Finals:
29-7-6, 50% fg before LeAnchor (Blazers and Thunder)
22-5-3, 40% fg after LeAnchor (Cavs)
Be mindful of these god given facts and think hard.
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13965209]But after his mild 'injury' he did come back and did great until the Finals:
29-7-6, 50% fg before LeAnchor (Blazers and Thunder)
22-5-3, 40% fg after LeAnchor (Cavs)
Be mindful of these god given facts and think hard.[/QUOTE]
29/6/7 on 45.8%FG/40.4%3PT (11.6 3PA) in ~37 mpg post-injury in the WC
23/5/4 on 40.3%FG/40.0%3PT (11.4 3PA) in 35 mpg in the Finals
so much for your "god given facts", can't even read basketball-reference right.
His 3PT shooting was just as good in the Finals but 5 out of the 7 games were blowouts and he only took 20+ shots 3 times in the series.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965211]29/6/7 on 45.8%FG/40.4%3PT (11.6 3PA) in ~37 mpg post-injury in the WC
23/5/4 on 40.3%FG/40.0%3PT (11.4 3PA) in 35 mpg in the Finals
so much for your "god given facts", can't even read basketball-reference right.
His 3PT shooting was just as good in the Finals but 5 out of the 7 games were blowouts and he only took 20+ shots 3 times in the series.[/QUOTE]
29-7-6
Vs
22-5-3
What happened?
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13965214]29-7-6
Vs
22-5-3
What happened?[/QUOTE]
23/5/4, still shot the same from 3 but played less minutes & took less shots due to blowouts.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965217]23/5/4, still shot the same from 3 but played less minutes & took less shots due to blowouts.[/QUOTE]
22.6 :lol better?
What. Happened.
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13965219]22.6 :lol better?
What. Happened.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, less minutes and shots per game. Are you off your meds again, Wheels?
29.3 on 50% fg .. 6.7 apg (Post 'injury' before Finals LeBron)
22.6.on 40% fg .. 3.7 apg (Post 'injury' after Finals LeBron)
6.7 drop off and -10% fg, and -3.0 apg
What. Happened.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965222]Like I said, less minutes and shots per game. Are you off your meds again, Wheels?[/QUOTE]
LeAnchor happened. Ouch.
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13965224]29.3 on 50% fg .. 6.7 apg (Post 'injury' before Finals LeBron)
22.6.on 40% fg .. 3.7 apg (Post 'injury' after Finals LeBron)
6.7 drop off and -10% fg, and -3.0 apg
What. Happened.[/QUOTE]
45.8%, not 50%, it's barely a 5%FG dropoff, but the difference here is that he takes about 4 less shots per game while still maintaining over 11 threes per game, thus his FG% goes down. He had a 61.5%TS post-injury in the West, 58%TS in the Finals. He was still relatively as efficient, but your ability to misinterpret stats is on a whole 'nother level.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13965233]45.8%, not 50%, it's barely a 5%FG dropoff, but the difference here is that he takes about 4 less shots per game while still maintaining over 11 threes per game, thus his FG% goes down. He had a 61.5%TS post-injury in the West, 58%TS in the Finals. He was still relatively as efficient, but your ability to misinterpret stats is on a whole 'nother level.[/QUOTE]
7 ppg less and assists cut in half.
What happened?
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13965236]7 ppg less and assists cut in half.
What happened?[/QUOTE]
Have fun posting on your own here.
Just a reminder the Warriors were up 3-1. Then Draymond was suspended for game 5 by the refs. During game 5 the Warriors and Cavaliers were basically even then Bogut goes down. The Warriors lose that game. In game 6 Bogut is out, Iguodala tweaks his back early in game 6 and is seen hobbling on the floor when they insist on playing him later in the game, and Curry gets ejected in the 4th quarter. Warriors lose. In game 7, Bogut is still out and while Green looks like an MVP because of the attention Curry draws, Klay is Klunking nearly everything. Warriors lose again and that's the series.
What we can see is that in every game the Warriors lost they were down a starter.