He has the ability to do just that.
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He has the ability to do just that.
Okay, and now what?
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;14027737]He has the ability to do just that.[/QUOTE]
He needs to prove that in this decade
OP is from Puerto Rico
[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;14028182]OP is from Puerto Rico[/QUOTE] I actually live in the USA. New York state to be specific.
The sky is the limit for him.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;14027737]He has the ability to do just that.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about that.
His pedigree indicates that he'll fall short of that.
The current top 5 were all instant impact guys. Within a year they were superstars, and some were superstars even before entering the league.
The 4 year ramp up for Giannis foreshadows his future, imo. Water always finds its level as they say.
After 7 seasons his career average is still only 20/4/9. That is telling us something i.e. dont be fooled by his peak.
This is the same issue with a guy like Kawhi.
Curry and Giannis can still make Goat status imo.
They need a lot going for them, but they still have a lot of years ahead and a very good resume
[QUOTE=soots;14028263]Curry and Giannis can still make Goat status imo.
They need a lot going for them, but they still have a lot of years ahead and a very good resume[/QUOTE]
They would need to do a lot to get there, but it's not impossible because they are still youngish. Top 5 is nearly cemented though:
Top 3 CEMENTED
LeBron
Kareem
Russell
Following two
Shaq
Jordan?
So Curry or Giannis would have to push out Shaq or Jordan. Tough, but I guess it's possible.
[QUOTE=light;14028253]I'm not sure about that.
His pedigree indicates that he'll fall short of that.
The current top 5 were all instant impact guys. Within a year they were superstars, and some were superstars even before entering the league.
The 4 year ramp up for Giannis foreshadows his future, imo. Water always finds its level as they say.
After 7 seasons his career average is still only 20/4/9. That is telling us something i.e. dont be fooled by his peak.
This is the same issue with a guy like Kawhi.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's first 2 years weren't great either. It's called improving lol.
Let's wait and see what he does in the playoffs. A lot of people thought Charles Barkley would end up top 10. He certainly had the skills and athleticism to accomplish that, but things didn't exactly pan out that way. It will be interesting to see how Giannis' career goes over the next 5 years in particular.
I'm rooting for him, but I feel his heavy reliance on the fake left, spin right or fake left and go right, without an arsenal of post moves or outside shot will ultimately hurt him when it matters the most.
He's an amazing athletic specimen but has to improve in some areas.
True--but one key difference is Barkley won 1 MVP in his entire career. Giannis is going to have 2 by age 25. Only KAJ and LeBron have had 2+ MVP's at that age I believe.
already better than libron who's top 11-15ish on the goat list, so yes.
[QUOTE=dbugz;14031507]already better than libron who's top 11-15ish on the goat list, so yes.[/QUOTE]
Well...lol No
LeBron is already ahead of MJ so if Giannis is ahead of LBJ he is obviously ahead of MJ.
Top 3 CEMENTED
LBJ, KAJ, Russell
Next two
Shaq, MJ
That is top 5. Giannis could push Shaq or MJ out, possibly. Cracking into the top 3 though? Not a chance.
7ft with coordination. Athleticism comparison to Lebron and is starting to get his jump shot going. My friends.... This guy is going to be a top 10 for sure.
[QUOTE=Rico2016;14031508]Well...lol No
LeBron is already ahead of MJ so if Giannis is ahead of LBJ he is obviously ahead of MJ.
Top 3 CEMENTED
LBJ, KAJ, Russell
Next two
Shaq, MJ
That is top 5. Giannis could push Shaq or MJ out, possibly. Cracking into the top 3 though? Not a chance.[/QUOTE]
You put shaq over MJ man. Cmon....
KAJ is a monster, but people forgot what Magic did during those years man. Look at magics stats when he was carrying. The man dropped 40 and a triple double as a rookie. I'm sorry, Magic over Kareem.
MY top 3: MJ, Lebron, Magic.
Bill Russell played during a time when there was like 3 other 7ft black men, That shit aint fair lol.
[QUOTE]KAJ is a monster, but people forgot what Magic did during those years man.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but in a way that is favorable to him. People conflate late 80's Magic with early 80's Magic. Yeah, he averaged 9 APG but Nixon averaged 8 APG from 1980-1983 during the same time frame on the same teams.
Giannis got exposed at the last World Championship. Nobody who has been shown to be that one dimensional can be top 5 all time.
his talent in a vacuum is nowhere near top 5 GOAT let alone even top 25 GOAT.
the guy just dribble charges in to the paint every possession for a layup or dunk. And if the defense sags 15 feet off takes a baby deer jumper.
He would be dikembe mutumbo in past eras which is still nice, but he's gotten a huge boost from today's era of spacing, monopolizing, and palming.
[QUOTE=tpols;14031560]He would be dikembe mutumbo in past eras [/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14031586]:facepalm[/QUOTE]
tpols can't be taken seriously either :lol Big time racist and Kobe lover at the same time, WITH a cartoon character avatar. Weird fellow
It's gonna come down to rings, durability, and longevity. In general, he could be the best PF ever peak-prime wise at some point. I like to see guys be on a superstar level for at least 5 years to give them that mantle for sure. He's just about at that point. He's like an evolution to what KG brought to the table. A positionless 7 foot phenom who is a freak athlete, great passer, great rebounder, and great rebounder in one package. Scoring wise, KG was in that very good to great type of area. Giannis is a more dominant scorer than KG was. Even though KG's scoring skillset was more skilled.
But IF he wins rings, who knows how high he could climb up the charts. He needs to concentrate FIRST on being the GOAT PF. He's gonna need at least 3 rings to pass Duncan by on the GOAT PF charts. I don't think he'll need five IF his numbers continue to be this dominant. Solo accolades, Peak-prime value, numbers, and redefining a position can make up for NOT having as many rings as Duncan. If he wins NO RINGS, then no chances he's a top 5 GOAT.
Tpols really is one of the worst posters here among those who attempt to give off a “serious fan” vibe and act like they really care about the intricacies of the sport. Even if Mutombo were half the athlete Giannis is to make it a better comparison....his obvious hating comparison is to a hall of famer? Which when you consider he thinks Giannis is bad at basketball is pretty hilarious.
Has virtually no appreciation for any aspect of basketball but handles and shooting which is why he reps the likes of Hot Sauce as a basketball genius....ignoring that he’s never seen Hot sauce make a legal drive in his life....
One of those trolls who compartmentalizes argument to one topic with no thought given to how that line of thinking plays out overall.
But when dealing with someone who wants the rich to pay way more in taxes and for the government to seize portions of companies for being too successful.....while also being pro Trump?
Hes probably just an all around troll to be ignored by people looking for honest discussion.
He does not.
Was exposed in international play.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14031609]Tpols really is one of the worst posters here among those who attempt to give off a “serious fan” vibe and act like they really care about the intricacies of the sport. Even if Mutombo were half the athlete Giannis is to make it a better comparison....his obvious hating comparison is to a hall of famer? Which when you consider he thinks Giannis is bad at basketball is pretty hilarious.
Has virtually no appreciation for any aspect of basketball but handles and shooting which is why he reps the likes of Hot Sauce as a basketball genius....ignoring that he’s never seen Hot sauce make a legal drive in his life....
One of those trolls who compartmentalizes argument to one topic with no thought given to how that line of thinking plays out overall.
But when dealing with someone who wants the rich to pay way more in taxes and for the government to seize portions of companies for being too successful.....while also being pro Trump?
Hes probably just an all around troll to be ignored by people looking for honest discussion.[/QUOTE]
For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so. :lol
it's like you have a diary on me big dog.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14031609]Tpols really is one of the worst posters here among those who attempt to give off a “serious fan” vibe and act like they really care about the intricacies of the sport. Even if Mutombo were half the athlete Giannis is to make it a better comparison....his obvious hating comparison is to a hall of famer? Which when you consider he thinks Giannis is bad at basketball is pretty hilarious.
Has virtually no appreciation for any aspect of basketball but handles and shooting which is why he reps the likes of Hot Sauce as a basketball genius....ignoring that he’s never seen Hot sauce make a legal drive in his life....
One of those trolls who compartmentalizes argument to one topic with no thought given to how that line of thinking plays out overall.
But when dealing with someone who wants the rich to pay way more in taxes and for the government to seize portions of companies for being too successful.....while also being pro Trump?
Hes probably just an all around troll to be ignored by people looking for honest discussion.[/QUOTE]
Kblaze just dropped a steaming pile of shit on dudes forehead
Yowzers
[QUOTE=tpols;14031631]For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so. :lol
it's like you have a diary on me big dog.[/QUOTE]
You and welfarefan are actually a scary tandem :lol
[QUOTE=Axe;14031686]You and welfarefan are actually a scary tandem :lol[/QUOTE]
i've sonned the fella so many times, my arguments are ingrained deep in his mind.
i think it all stems back to the westbrook grudge where he got shitted on.
Bringing up hot sauce lmao... i have like 2 posts on him and he remembers them.
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[QUOTE=tpols;14031631]For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so. :lol
it's like you have a diary on me big dog.[/QUOTE]
After all these years reasonable people actually blend together. Only the worst things I read stand out. Especially when it’s someone like you so prone to repeat takes for months at a time at every mention of a player. You’re a shit take factory turning out opinions of noteworthy idiocy at pretty epic rate. Me noticing you just means you’re a clown dancing on the side of the road and most of ish is just walking by like rational adults.
Of course you remember seeing a clown.
The clown is acting foolish for the express purpose of being seen. That’s what internet trolls are.
I dont need to act foolish to be seen.
If that was the case, you'd ignore me, like the rest.
[QUOTE]For an all around troll to be ignored a lot of my arguments seem to stick in your head.
And very specifically so[/QUOTE]
Your posts are read for the same reason people turn around when they see a car crash.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14031820]Your posts are read for the same reason people turn around when they see a car crash.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
When Kblaze hits, he hits.
Noteworthy idiocy? Yikes.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14031505]True--but one key difference is Barkley won 1 MVP in his entire career. Giannis is going to have 2 by age 25. Only KAJ and LeBron have had 2+ MVP's at that age I believe.[/QUOTE]
Consider Moses Malone who won 3 MVPs within his first 7 seasons of being in the NBA (granted he played 2 years in the NBA prior to his entry). So that's 3 MVP awards by the age of 27. And Moses' MVP years included a title in 1983, his 7th season in the league.
Having said that, I don't consider Moses to be top 10. I don't know of anyone that does. Giannis is 7 years in and will likely win his 2nd. Let's see what happens in the playoffs, first.
[QUOTE=tpols;14031560]his talent in a vacuum is nowhere near top 5 GOAT let alone even top 25 GOAT.
the guy just dribble charges in to the paint every possession for a layup or dunk. And if the defense sags 15 feet off takes a baby deer jumper.
He would be dikembe mutumbo in past eras which is still nice, but he's gotten a huge boost from today's era of spacing, monopolizing, and palming.[/QUOTE]
Slow ass Dikembe? Sorry, but Dikembe Mutombo had neither the skill nor athleticism that Giannis has. It's insulting that you would draw such a comparison.
Giannis is obviously a few tiers above (meaning much much better than) Mutombo but I wont be surprised if he shuts him down in a playoffs series like what Deke did in the playoffs against the Sonics in 1994.
Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.
[QUOTE=86Celtics;14031896]Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.[/QUOTE]
I think if he can develop his passing like LeBron will be deadly.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14031865]Consider Moses Malone who won 3 MVPs within his first 7 seasons of being in the NBA (granted he played 2 years in the NBA prior to his entry). So that's 3 MVP awards by the age of 27. And Moses' MVP years included a title in 1983, his 7th season in the league.
Having said that, I don't consider Moses to be top 10. I don't know of anyone that does. Giannis is 7 years in and will likely win his 2nd. Let's see what happens in the playoffs, first.[/QUOTE]
That is another measuring stick. If it is two by 25, it is only KAJ, LeBron, Giannis.
3 MVP's--over whatever time frame--is another milestone. Other than Moses, every player with 3+ MVP's is consensus top 10 all-time. The other people are KAJ, LeBron, Russell, Jordan, Wilt, Bird, and Magic.
[QUOTE=86Celtics;14031896]Stating the obvious but if he'll be unstoppable if he develops a reliable jumper especially in this day and age.
It's not just his athletic traits either. He's ambitious and he is a hard worker who has stayed humble. He's got everything going for him, all he has to do is to keep working hard.[/QUOTE]
He doesnt really have high IQ going for him. His success is due to today's high paced transition game and maximization of Lebron ball kickouts. If he gets a few rings to go with his MVPs then yes he probably should be top 10. But I can see why European fans dont like him. In the half court hes clumsy and tactically one dimensional. He will never be a better player than Durant for example.