And you think he's messing with MJ?.. :whatever:
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And you think he's messing with MJ?.. :whatever:
No surprise
Guard position in the 90's were as brittle as Reggie Millers arms
Compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways
You really don't want to go list for list in this category :oldlol:
So? MJ hasnt been All-Defense in 22 years :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=scuzzy;14165751]No surprise
Guard position was in the 90's was as brittle as Reggie Millers arms and only one way players
Now compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways[/QUOTE]
The fact that anorexic 10 year old girl body Reggie Miller was Jordan's big competition in the 90's is a big strike against Jordan.
[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway;14165753]So? MJ hasnt been All-Defense in 22 years :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Gotem
[QUOTE=BigtimeNBAFan;14165754]The fact that anorexic 10 year old girl body Reggie Miller was Jordan's big competition in the 90's is a big strike against Jordan.[/QUOTE]
A 6'7" Curry except Miller could average a lot more ppg at only 5 threes per game - Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years when he took 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest, which caused his volume to skyrocket
Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)
The fact that there was 5 guys in their mid-30's making All-Defensive teams in 1998 reminds us all how weak that era was
Out of the 10 players from 1st and 2nd team, only two were champions (Scottie, Ordan) :oldlol:
In prior eras, it was harder for perimeter players to get defensive recognition because the offense occurred inside where bigs got the credit.
Otoh, today's offensive possessions occur on the perimeter, so perimeter players are recognized much easier.. guys that are recognized for defense today might've been unheard of in prior eras.
DPOY Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions
And of course great athletes like Augmon, Lewis, Drexler, Finley, Elliot, Kemp - anyone of them could turn out to be great defenders in today's high pnr game
:lol at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.
Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.
[QUOTE]Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions[/QUOTE]
Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14165770]:lol at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.
Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.
Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?[/QUOTE]
Dumbass - Curry wasn't shit before today's 3-point offense took hold - he was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years at 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest (which caused his volume to skyrocket)
Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14165770]:lol at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.
Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.
Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that was a crazy clapback. The truth is Miller has nothing on Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP who actually won titles and was actually a superstar 3 point shooter. Reggie Miller's best 3 point season was he made 229. To put that in perspective Steph Curry has 5 of the top 10 3 point shooting seasons in nba history and they were all more than Miller's best season.
[QUOTE=scuzzy;14165751]No surprise
Guard position in the 90's were as brittle as Reggie Millers arms
Compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways
You really don't want to go list for list in this category :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol:
op shoook
[QUOTE=3ball;14165771]Dumbass - Curry wasn't shit before today's 3-point offense took hold - he was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years at 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest (which caused his volume to skyrocket)
Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)[/QUOTE]
No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.
[QUOTE=3ball;14165768]In prior eras, it was harder for perimeter players to get defensive recognition because the offense occurred inside where bigs got the credit.
Otoh, today's offensive possessions occur on the perimeter, so perimeter players are recognized much easier.. guys that are recognized for defense today might've been unheard of in prior eras.
DPOY Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions
And of course great athletes like Augmon, Lewis, Drexler, Finley, Elliot, Kemp - anyone of them could turn out to be great defenders in today's high pnr game[/QUOTE]
mike was averaging his steals against
craig ehlo
john starks
jeff hornacek
mitch richmond
he isnt getting those steals on modern era sg sorry bruh :oldlol: :roll:
[QUOTE=BigtimeNBAFan;14165780]No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.[/QUOTE]
think about this
jimmy butler, a player that is probably top...? 15 in this era we can say? put up better finals performance then any player mike faced in 6 finals
a top 15 player in 2020 would be top 2 in the 90s
bran was rim protector fmvp for two full playoff runs of defrtg 100 and below
mike never did this :( he never had the defense impact like bran
and bran is the playoff steals leader and mike is #3 behind his own teammate pip :oldlol:
your done
LOL at Branstans got triggered so easily by this thread
like a couple of hoes defending their mamasan :lol
Kawhi already tied him with 6 defensive all teams. Next season Kawhi will pass him I'm sure. By the end of their careers, kawhi will double the amount of LeBron's all nba defense teams, as well as win more finals MVPS.
[QUOTE=HBK_Kliq_2;14165792]Kawhi already tied him with 6 defensive all teams. Next season Kawhi will pass him I'm sure. By the end of their careers, kawhi will double the amount of LeBron's all nba defense teams, as well as win more finals MVPS.[/QUOTE]
He's gotta hold onto 3-1 leads against 7'1 Windhorst first
[QUOTE=3ball;14165762]A 6'7" Curry except Miller could average a lot more ppg at only 5 threes per game - Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years when he took 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest, which caused his volume to skyrocket
Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)[/QUOTE]
Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165794]Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career[/QUOTE]
That boi SouBeach is COOOKIN!!
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165794]Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career[/QUOTE]
It was a big.man league and offense back then... whereas today's league is built for him
He already averaged 24 for his playoff career... That equals 35 in today's regular season
Here's a list of the best defensive forwards LeBron had to compete with for spots on the all-defensive teams while he was in the league:
Duncan
Garnett
Kawhi
Giannis
Anthony Davis
Ron Artest
Bruce Bowen
Andre Iguodala
Draymond Green
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Shane Battier
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
And this is only counting the players who were exclusively Fs and not C/F hybrids like Ben Wallace and Marcus Camby.
Now compare that to the list of the best defensive guards Jordan had to compete with during his years in the league:
Gary Payton
Joe Dumars
Sidney Moncrief
Michael Cooper
Maurice Cheeks
Dennis Johnson
John Stockton
Mookie Blaylock
Alvin Robertson
Derek Harper
Fat Lever
Micheal Williams
Nate McMillan
Eddie Jones
One of these lists has 3-4 guys who will instantly get mentioned on a list of the greatest defenders ever, and probably even more as time goes on.
The other list has Gary Payton.
[QUOTE=BigtimeNBAFan;14165780]No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.[/QUOTE]
Miller is a top shooter like Curry is except he's 5 inches taller with a pure scoring mid-range game.. he'd be fine without a 3-pt line, while curry probably wouldn't have even played
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14165839]Here's a list of the best defensive forwards LeBron had to compete with for spots on the all-defensive teams while he was in the league:
Duncan
Garnett
Kawhi
Giannis
Anthony Davis
Ron Artest
Bruce Bowen
Andre Iguodala
Draymond Green
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Shane Battier
Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
And this is only counting the players who were exclusively Fs and not C/F hybrids like Ben Wallace and Marcus Camby.
Now compare that to the list of the best defensive guards Jordan had to compete with during his years in the league:
Gary Payton
Joe Dumars
Sidney Moncrief
Michael Cooper
Maurice Cheeks
Dennis Johnson
John Stockton
Mookie Blaylock
Alvin Robertson
Derek Harper
Fat Lever
Micheal Williams
Nate McMillan
Eddie Jones
One of these lists has 3-4 guys who will instantly get mentioned on a list of the greatest defenders ever, and probably even more as time goes on.
The other list has Gary Payton.[/QUOTE]
Jordan was guarded by Rodman, Mickey, Mason, X-man, Augmon, Lewis, D Robinson, Drexler, Dominique, Kersey, Nance, Kemp, Hill, Penny, Finley, Kobe (98'), Duncan/Garnett (97' and 98'),
and neither list has anyone regarded as the goat defender, except maybe rodman or Robinson
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[B][U]BEST PLAYERS THAT BOTH MJ AND LEBRON FACED[/U][/B]
[B]1) SHAQ[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/LfHlds.gif]here[/url].[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]2. KOBE:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.
- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2015/Q3fm0o.gif]here[/url]
- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.
- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs&t=0m16s]here[/url]).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]3. DUNCAN[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown [url=http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif]here[/url])... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown [url=https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif]here[/url]..
Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]4. GARNETT:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron got his **** pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2015/q8-1iR.gif]here[/url]) and during the regular season (shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/6agjm-.gif]here[/url], [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/EfFINb.gif]here[/url] and [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/Jp9ACT.gif]here[/url]).
- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0]here[/url].[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]5. SHAWN MARION:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals[/I].[/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg&t=0m09s]here[/url]), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg]here[/url]).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]6. 2003-2004 seasons[/B]
[INDENT][I][B]JORDAN 2003[/B][/I]: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
[I][B]LEBRON 2004[/B][/I]: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg[/INDENT]
[QUOTE=3ball;14165858].
[B][U]BEST PLAYERS THAT BOTH MJ AND LEBRON FACED[/U][/B]
[B]1) SHAQ[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/LfHlds.gif]here[/url].[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]2. KOBE:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.
- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2015/Q3fm0o.gif]here[/url]
- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.
- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs&t=0m16s]here[/url]).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]3. DUNCAN[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown [url=http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif]here[/url])... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown [url=https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif]here[/url]..
Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]4. GARNETT:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron got his **** pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2015/q8-1iR.gif]here[/url]) and during the regular season (shown [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/6agjm-.gif]here[/url], [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/EfFINb.gif]here[/url] and [url=http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/Jp9ACT.gif]here[/url]).
- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0]here[/url].[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]5. SHAWN MARION:[/B]
[INDENT][B]Top Lebron moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals[/I].[/INDENT][/INDENT]
[INDENT][B]Top Jordan moments:[/B][/INDENT]
[INDENT][INDENT][I]- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg&t=0m09s]here[/url]), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg]here[/url]).[/I][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[B]6. 2003-2004 seasons[/B]
[INDENT][I][B]JORDAN 2003[/B][/I]: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
[I][B]LEBRON 2004[/B][/I]: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg[/INDENT][/QUOTE]
I don't think you know what top moment means
All-Defensive teams is a silly way to evaluate defense.
You need to study tape and possession-data to get an accurate read on individual and team defense in combination. There simply isn't a quick-and-dirty way to evaluate defense.
All-Defensive teams generally pluck out the super-obvious choices, but also include players who float by on reputation (most of Kobe's defensive awards fall in this bucket).
Speaking of all-defense, Pippen has more selections than Jordan does
[QUOTE=3ball;14165747]And you think he's messing with MJ?.. :whatever:[/QUOTE]
He stopped being selected the year they switched the voting from the coaches to the media.
There were back-to-back seasons where the Defensive Player of the Year (voted by the media) didnt make First Team All-Defensive (voted by coaches).
In those seasons LeBron James received the most First Team All-Defensive votes from the coaches - LeBron was the coaches choice for Defensive Player of the Year - but the media chose Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol as the Defensive Players of the Year. LeBron was First Team both seasons while Chandler and Gasol were 2nd team.
The NBA's "solution" to this was to remove the coaches from voting and have it all done by the media.
The last time the coaches voted was the last time LeBron made First Team All-Defensive.
If the coaches were still voting Bron would be making more teams.
But LeBron has been getting DPOY votes during the last 7 years and everyone knows he can turn into the best defensive player in the game on command. We saw it several times this year versus Giannis. Kawhi and Murray.
It's not a coincidence that the greatest play of LeBron's career was a defensive play and that the greatest block in Finals history was from him.
Exactly. And to think that some LeBron haters think that LeBron is only a name because of the media. They should thank their lucky stars that the media is voting for the awards, because if it was the coaches who were voting, then he would have multiple DPOYs and several more MVPs. And this is no exaggeration.
There may be some objective people in the media, but there are some serious LeBron haters. I mean, people who hate the ground that LeBron walks on. If LeBron's name was the only one on the ballot for an award, they would vote blank.
I would argue that LeBron right now is a better defender than Jordan was at any point in his career.
Think about all of the players Michael Jordan had to defend throughout his entire career - Joe Dumars, John Starks, Craig Ehlo, etc. 2020 LeBron James can defend all of them just as well as Jordan, if not better.
But what makes LeBron [B][I]clearly[/I][/B] superior are two additional things that Jordan didn't do:
1) LeBron can defend centers and power forwards at a high level.
[INDENT][I]LeBron can actually defend heavy centers better than Anthony Davis because he has a stronger base (Bron is unusually strong in general).
Jordan was so much smaller and weaker that he couldn’t seriously consider doing anything in the frontcourt.[/I][/INDENT]
2) LeBron is also his team's defensive quarterback.
[INDENT][I]Scottie Pippen was the Chicago Bulls defensive quarterback, not Michael Jordan.
LeBron has been the defensive quarterback on all of his teams since 2008.[/I][/INDENT]
So it’s the same old story: LeBron can do everything on defense and Jordan couldn’t.
[QUOTE=3ball;14165747]And you think he's messing with MJ?.. :whatever:[/QUOTE]
Mj was the better defender because he was way more consistent. He rarely took plays off. When lebron is engaged and locked in he's as good as mj imo. He's just not engaged defensively as much as he could be. I think stamina could be part of the reason why. He dosn't have mj's stamina to go all out on both ends all the time. Mj's stamina was insane.
Everytime 3ball makes a thread he gets curb stomped.
Jordan couldn't make 13 all-nba first teams? No comparison.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165794]Reggie didn't make an All-NBA 2nd Team or finish top 10 in MVP voting a single time in his year entire 18 year career[/QUOTE]
Lol Jordan's best competition in the east is a discount Klay.
[QUOTE=3ball;14165853]Miller is a top shooter like Curry is except he's 5 inches taller with a pure scoring mid-range game.. he'd be fine without a 3-pt line, while curry probably wouldn't have even played[/QUOTE]
Reggie Miller. Zero all nba 1st or 2nd. Zero all defense.
Klay Thompson >>>> Reggie Miller.
Is this the best Jordan went up against in the East.
The toughest team Jordan said he played were the Pacers in the East. A team with not even Paul George level talent on it.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14165922]Reggie Miller. Zero all nba 1st or 2nd. Zero all defense.
Klay Thompson >>>> Reggie Miller.
Is this the best Jordan went up against in the East.
The toughest team Jordan said he played were the Pacers in the East. A team with not even Paul George level talent on it.[/QUOTE]
Reggie miller is better than pg. Pg looks good and has all the skill sets but he's not a winner
And Reggie Miller won what exactly?
Zero all nba 1st teams. Zero all defense.
Zero rings.
Paul George > Reggie Miller.
The discount Klay is the best Jordan faced in entire 90s East?
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14165793]He's gotta hold onto 3-1 leads against 7'1 Windhorst first[/QUOTE]
He held onto leads against LeBron, Durant, Curry, Giannis, Harden AKA every great player of his era. Bubble ball doesn't count.
No Pip?