Tatum & Brown can't be your superstars. They do things to help their game not others

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Spot on. Tatum has no playing ability same for Jaylen Brown.

Can't imagine how much a team must suck to lose to guys like this in a playoff series.

They're fake news stars. I was very impressed with Tatum in his first year or two. But he doesn't have the competitive hatred you need to win. And like OP illustrated, he has no playmaking or passing skill. Was never high on Brown. Fake intellectual, doesn't have the feel for the game like true elites. By contrast, Harden has one of the best feels for the game I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262458]Can't imagine how much a team must suck to lose to guys like this in a playoff series.[/QUOTE]
The quote didn't come from me though.
Your team got more talent individually which made a difference. If Kawhi was still around, no way you beat us.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14262462]The quote didn't come from me though.
Your team got more talent individually which made a difference. If Kawhi was still around, no way you beat us.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=you]Spot on. Tatum has no playing ability same for Jaylen Brown.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately you're stuck with Pascal Siakam... who got thrashed on both ends by Jaylen Brown who isn't good enough according to this anonymous player you're quoting but "spot on" don't agree with.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262472]Unfortunately you're stuck with Pascal Siakam... who got thrashed on both ends by Jaylen Brown who isn't good enough according to this anonymous player you're quoting but "spot on" don't agree with.[/QUOTE]

Celtics are the fakest contenders ever. Yall havent been shit since Larry Bird and you better count your blessings you had him.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262472]Unfortunately you're stuck with Pascal Siakam... who got thrashed on both ends by Jaylen Brown who isn't good enough according to this anonymous player you're quoting but "spot on" don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
They don't make their teammates better. What's so hard to comprehend here?

[QUOTE=tpols;14262481]Celtics are the fakest contenders ever. Yall havent been shit since Larry Bird and you better count your blessings you had him.[/QUOTE]

There have been something like 6 trips to the conference finals to trips to the finals and an NBA championship since Bird retired. Not that I would expect you to know anything like basic information beforewriting something stupid, being you.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14262486]They don't make their teammates better. What's so hard to comprehend here?[/QUOTE]

So they made the conference finals all by themselves? Ok.

You don't know what "makes their teammates better"even means.

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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262489]So they made the conference finals all by themselves? Ok.

You don't know what "makes their teammates better"even means.[/QUOTE]
I do. Putting your teammates in position to be successful for the better of the team. Tatum is averaging 43% from the field and plays a lot of iso ball. Also he needs to stop with the step-back threes. He should be driving and dishing instead of chucking 20 shots per game. Kemba has been out so Tatum and Brown need to fill that role.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262488]There have been something like 6 trips to the conference finals to trips to the finals and an NBA championship since Bird retired. Not that I would expect you to know anything like basic information beforewriting something stupid, being you.[/QUOTE]

You won one chip. Because of a super team. Don't bullshit me. Kobe ended your little stint. Yall aint been a powerhouse since Bird.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14262498]I do. Putting your teammates in position to be successful for the better of the team. Tatum is averaging 43% from the field and plays a lot of iso ball. Also he needs to stop with the step-back threes. He should be driving and dishing instead of chucking 20 shots per game. Kemba has been out so Tatum and Brown need to fill that role.[/QUOTE]

And how many assists does Tatum average? Since you want to talk about making teammates better. His field goal percentage is not the measure for how much better he makes teammates if you are trying to analyze it by stats. It can barely be analyzed by his individual stats but if it is it would not be by the percentage of his shots that go in.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262499]You won one chip. Because of a super team. Don't bullshit me. Kobe ended your little stint. Yall aint been a powerhouse since Bird.[/QUOTE]

You said they have been shit since Bird. I pointed out a championship two finals and a number of conference finals. Which proves that you are factually incorrect. Further illustrating your stupidity you complain that the championship was a superteam. So? Who do you think wins championships if not the best team? Durant and the Warriors was not a superteam? James pulled a great upset one year in Cleveland and Toronto profited off of the Warriors losing their three best players. Otherwise we live in the Era of superteams. Most of the time you need 2 of the 5 best players in the NBA.

If you bother replying please try to avoid being factually incorrect or just being outright stupid. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262505]You said they have been shit since Bird. I pointed out a championship two finals and a number of conference finals. Which proves that you are factually incorrect. Further illustrating your stupidity you complain that the championship was a superteam. So? Who do you think wins championships if not the best team? Durant and the Warriors was not a superteam? James pulled a great upset one year in Cleveland and Toronto profited off of the Warriors losing their three best players. Otherwise we live in the Era of superteams. Most of the time you need 2 of the 5 best players in the NBA.

If you bother replying please try to avoid being factually incorrect or just being outright stupid. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Bird was organic. Don't bullshit me. The teams you referenced were super teams, furthering the point. Bird took a lotto team to dynasty status. You should be ****ing grateful.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262508]Bird was organic. Don't bullshit me. The teams you referenced were super teams, furthering the point. Bird took a lotto team to dynasty status. You should be ****ing grateful.[/QUOTE]

Bird's Celtics traded for Robert Parish and a number ofnother player in sure but trading the top pick for Parish (and the pick that became McHale) immediately comes to mind. How that is more organic than trading for KG and Allen I have no idea but I see no logic to your nonsense to begin with. "Be grateful?" What are you even talking about? Are you crazy as well as stupid?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262510]Bird's Celtics traded for Robert Parish and a number ofnother player in sure but trading the top pick for Parish (and the pick that became McHale) immediately comes to mind. How that is more organic than trading for KG and Allen I have no idea but I see no logic to your nonsense to begin with. "Be grateful?" What are you even talking about? Are you crazy as well as stupid?[/QUOTE]

If you think Robert Parish equals Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce or Ray Allen... I dont know what to tell you. Maybe Ray or Paul (stretch) but Garnett?

:biggums:

Your Celtics fandom has been revoked.

Spot on OP. Tatum and brown only create shots for themselves.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262514]If you think Robert Parish equals Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce or Ray Allen... I dont know what to tell you. Maybe Ray or Paul (stretch) but Garnett?

:biggums:

Your Celtics fandom has been revoked.[/QUOTE]

Do you really think it matters if the dumbest player on the forum says I can't be a Celtics fan?

You probably do. Moving on.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262514]If you think Robert Parish equals Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce or Ray Allen... I dont know what to tell you. Maybe Ray or Paul (stretch) but Garnett?

:biggums:

Your Celtics fandom has been revoked.[/QUOTE]

Youre either the worst troll ever or really stupid. Its hard to figure out.

I think brown and Tatum can be pierce level stars but they need a 3rd star floor general with really good passing

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14262556]I think brown and Tatum can be pierce level stars but they need a 3rd star floor general with really good passing[/QUOTE]

Paul Pierce was way better than Tatum and especially Brown. That's an insult to the truth.

[QUOTE=Horatio33;14262543]Youre either the worst troll ever or really stupid. Its hard to figure out.[/QUOTE]

A lot of things are probably hard for you to figure out. But I can help you out bro. Anytime hit me up for some advice. [I]*wink*[/I]

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262502]And how many assists does Tatum average? Since you want to talk about making teammates better. His field goal percentage is not the measure for how much better he makes teammates if you are trying to analyze it by stats. It can barely be analyzed by his individual stats but if it is it would not be by the percentage of his shots that go in.[/QUOTE]
Taking better shots within the flow of the offense is something he doesn't do. Nothing bad about it, he is a scorer, not a playmaker.
4.5 apg is not good enough. The man is taking 20 shots per game shooting inefficiently. The problem with your team is that your two stars are the same player basically. Averaging identical stats, doing the same exact things on the court. Jaylen Brown is just more efficient right now shooting close to 50% FG. They combine for 40 shots per game why? Can you believe they take more shots than Kawhi and Paul George. That he is not a good look.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14262458]Can't imagine how much a team must suck to lose to guys like this in a playoff series.[/QUOTE]

sixers fans where you at? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Tatum is the most overrated player in the NBA.

I tend to agree with OP however one good game by either player could swing back in the other direction

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14262573]Taking better shots within the flow of the offense is something he doesn't do. Nothing bad about it, he is a scorer, not a playmaker.
4.5 apg is not good enough. The man is taking 20 shots per game shooting inefficiently. The problem with your team is that your two stars are the same player basically. Averaging identical stats, doing the same exact things on the court. Jaylen Brown is just more efficient right now shooting close to 50% FG. They combine for 40 shots per game why? Can you believe they take more shots than Kawhi and Paul George. That he is not a good look.[/QUOTE]

So we've given up on the "makes teammates better" business that you clearly didn't understand and are now just leveling a general criticism of his game? Fine. I don't know why you think he should be averaging more assists as a forward but whatever. 4.5 is a number that exceeds the vast majority of players at his position. They shoot a lot because they're scorers. That's the central part of their games on offense. They're supposed to be aggressive. By season's end the team will have a winning record and they'll be putting up similar numbers on offense. In a week or two when Smart returns things will go back to normal.

:oldlol: An "anonymous player" is just a synonym for bitch ass *****

Probably a Jared Dudley level player just bitter that Tatum and Brown have already eclipsed their entire career by their early 20s.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262481]Celtics are the fakest contenders ever. Yall havent been shit since Larry Bird and you better count your blessings you had him.[/QUOTE]

Ya except that stretch when we won the championship and went to another in a 3 year span.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262571]Paul Pierce was way better than Tatum and especially Brown. That's an insult to the truth.[/QUOTE]

Pierce made one ecf without the big 3 calm down on the Pierce hype.

[QUOTE=tpols;14262499]You won one chip. Because of a super team. Don't bullshit me. Kobe ended your little stint. Yall aint been a powerhouse since Bird.[/QUOTE]

You sound stupid, it’s not like you can win the chip every year

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14262835]Pierce made one ecf without the big 3 calm down on the Pierce hype.[/QUOTE]

You’re telling me pierce wasn’t better than Tatum? He could of missed the playoffs every year and still would of been better. Tatum has good players on his team

Gonna file this away.

Tatum is a top 15 to top 10 guy depending on whether or not he has Covid/is slumping

Best quote in the thread is Jaylen being a fake intellectual. As a celts fan that is true. Guy is a knucklehead

They need one more guy. Bad roster, bad luck to get here.

They have accomplished so much more than ______ (try me) did in their first 3 years though.

Tatums crossovers seem ljke he is in quicksand. Doesnt really get him anywhere and he just ends up with the stepback 3. So hard to watch.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14262862]Tatums crossovers seem ljke he is in quicksand. Doesnt really get him anywhere and he just ends up with the stepback 3. So hard to watch.[/QUOTE]

How has he had so much success?

Why do people like Iverson and others say he’s the closed thing to Kobe?

Finally, who has been a finished product at 22 in terms of guys who landed a max deal

[QUOTE=ZionDunks;14262873]How has he had so much success?

Why do people like Iverson and others say he’s the closed thing to Kobe?

Finally, who has been a finished product at 22 in terms of guys who landed a max deal[/QUOTE]

Rookie luka has a better game than tatum has now. More fluid on the offense, impact on teammates was high, iq in moving the ball was really high. KD, Lebron, Kobe are just a short list of players that were playi ng much better at the same age.

[QUOTE=Airupthere;14262882]Rookie luka has a better game than tatum has now. More fluid on the offense, impact on teammates was high, iq in moving the ball was really high. KD, Lebron, Kobe are just a short list of players that were playi ng much better at the same age.[/QUOTE]

Tatum has accomplished so much more than LeBron had by 22

Days ago Colin Cowherd said he would take tatum over Luka

Bump on Tatum.

Ya. He took that over, took it from the loss column and put it in the w.

People will say well it was the wizards.

The Celtics have no one