2018 Celtics were a weaker team than the 89' Cavs or Knicks (that pre-title mj beat)

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[B]2018 Celtics[/B].... 55 wins... #7 SRS.. 1 all-star.. 3.6 net rating

[B]1989 Cavs[/B]........ 57 wins.. #1 SRS.. 3 all-star.. 7.7 net rating
[B]1989 Knicks[/B]..... 52 wins.. #8 SRS.. 2 all-star.. 3.7 net rating


It was [i]pre-title[/i] Jordan and his sophomore low seed that beat the 89' Cavs, whereas Lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the 18' Celtics..

Also, 89' Ewing was a dominant player and vastly superior to anyone on the 18' Celtics..

Is 3ball on the ish payroll?

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3ball got his ass handed to him in the other 2018 Cavs thread where his logic leads to the conclusion that peak MJ is inferior to old man LeBron, so he ran to make a new thread asking for another ass whoopin'.

Another rubbish take as usual.

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie;14298408]3ball got his ass handed to him in the other 2018 Cavs thread where his logic leads to the conclusion that peak MJ is inferior to old man LeBron, so he ran to make a new thread asking for another ass whoopin'.[/QUOTE]

Got his dick chopped off in the Curry thread too. Ran from that one.

Which begs the question..why does he do this to himself and everyone around him :lol

[QUOTE=3ball;14298381].
[B]2018 Celtics[/B].... 55 wins... #7 SRS.. 1 all-star.. 3.6 net rating

[B]1989 Cavs[/B]........ 57 wins.. #1 SRS.. 3 all-star.. 7.7 net rating
[B]1989 Knicks[/B]..... 52 wins.. #8 SRS.. 2 all-star.. 3.7 net rating


It was [i]pre-title[/i] Jordan and his sophomore low seed that beat the 89' Cavs, whereas Lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the 18' Celtics..

Also, 89' Ewing was a dominant player and vastly superior to anyone on the 18' Celtics..[/QUOTE]

Pippen in 1998 is better than 2018 Kevin Love

Man nobody cares 3ball.

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14298483]Man nobody cares 3ball.[/QUOTE]

This. It's the same regurgitated threads over and over. Dude is such a loser.

Dude, get a life. You've reached such a low point with these threads. At this point, hours spent jerking off would be a more valuable use of your time than this.

Well they were... The Cavs had two all star talents in their primes with Mark Price and Brad Daugherty, and a young Ron Harper. The Knicks had Pat Ewing and Mark Jackson who were both all stars, along with Charles Oakley a 1st team defense type of guy.

The 2018 Celtics? :oldlol: They had ZERO all stars, and were being led by rookies and "scary" terry rozier. The Celtics started that year off with great promise because they had signed Gordon Hayward and Kyrie, but both succumbed to injury so they were left a shell and joke of a team. Brad Stevens coaching was the only reason they overachieved with the paltry talent they had out there. Both Giannis and Middleton averaged 25+ ppg against them that year in the first round and somehow lost with nobody on Boston even cracking 20. Team effort, but no star talent at the time.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298529]Well they were... The Cavs had two all star talents in their primes with Mark Price and Brad Daugherty, and a young Ron Harper. The Knicks had Pat Ewing and Mark Jackson who were both all stars, along with Charles Oakley a 1st team defense type of guy.

The 2018 Celtics? :oldlol: They had ZERO all stars, and were being led by rookies and "scary" terry rozier. The Celtics started that year off with great promise because they had signed Gordon Hayward and Kyrie, but both succumbed to injury so they were left a shell and joke of a team. Brad Stevens coaching was the only reason they overachieved with the paltry talent they had out there. Both Giannis and Middleton averaged 25+ ppg against them that year in the first round and somehow lost with nobody on Boston even cracking 20. Team effort, but no star talent at the time.[/QUOTE]


Larry Nance was a 3rd all-star for the Cavs in 89', and he was also all-defense with 3 blocks per game

So those Cavs had a big 3 plus Ron Harper, which gave them the #1 SRS team in the league and a title-contender - Magic called them the Cavs the "team of the 90's" (url=https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/sunk-history-before-michael-jordan-was-the-goat-he-put-it-all-on-the-line-and-won-big-with-the-shot-213643523.html]here[/url]

[QUOTE=3ball;14298579]Larry Nance was a 3rd all-star for the Cavs in 89', and he was also all-defense with 3 blocks per game

So those Cavs had a big 3 plus Ron Harper, which gave them the #1 SRS team in the league and a title-contender - Magic called them the Cavs the "team of the 90's" (url=https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/sunk-history-before-michael-jordan-was-the-goat-he-put-it-all-on-the-line-and-won-big-with-the-shot-213643523.html]here[/url][/QUOTE]

Is anyone saying the 2018 Celtics minus Hayward/Kyrie were better than the '89 Cavs, though?

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14298592]Is anyone saying the 2018 Celtics minus Hayward/Kyrie were better than the '89 Cavs, though?[/QUOTE]


People wonder if Jordan could've carried the 18' Cavs to the Finals

But he already beat 2 teams in 89' that were equal or better!!!!....

and this was [U]pre-title[/U] Jordan with a sophomore low seed, whereas lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran team when he beat the 18' Celtics

Pre-title Jordan was already beating teams better than the 18' Cavs with young, low seeds, so champion Jordan would easily win with a veteran team

The OP will be in a lot more pain in 3 months. LeCinco incoming!

[QUOTE=dankok8;14298618]The OP will be in a lot more pain in 3 months. LeCinco incoming![/QUOTE]


Lebron winning more chips will bolster the case because it provides more evidence of him being carried to titles (compared to Jordan)

This year would be his 3rd ring with an equal-scoring partner and the most he ever averaged more than his sidekick in a winning Finals was 5 points

So he never had to win like Jordan, and each ring demonstrates this clearly

[I]People [U]will[/U] delve into the details if lebron starts to match MJ in rings.. and the details is where mj fans shine because the facts are on our side[/I]... :dancin:

Notice how 3ball is using the same smoke and mirrors tactics as he did in the other thread. Rather than discussing the actual performance of the teams involved, he uses proxies.

The Cavs were veterans. Doesn't matter if they were the second worst defense in the league. Doesn't matter if they only had one double digit scorer to support LeBron. They were veterans you see so their actual lousy performance against the Celtics is better than the '89 Bulls supporting cast's actual strong performance against the Cavaliers and even stronger performance against the Knicks.

Doesn't matter if Jordan's cast was the #11 defense in the league, and they had three double digit scorers besides MJ with Pippen scoring more than Love both against the Cavs and Knicks. They were young so the combined 45.6 ppg from Jordan's four highest scoring teammates against the Cavss and more against the knicks is somehow less help than the combined 39.4 ppg LeBron's four highest scoring teammates put in.

You see being a veteran magically makes less point more valuable than more points scored by young guys. Being a veteran means crappy defense is good. Being young means good defense isn't.

[QUOTE=3ball;14298621]Lebron winning more chips will bolster the case because it provides more evidence of him being carried to titles (compared to Jordan)

This year would be his 3rd ring with an equal-scoring partner

He never had to win like Jordan, and each ring demonstrates this clearly

People [U]will[/U] start to delve into the details if lebron starts to match MJ in rings.. and the details is where mj fans shine because the facts are on our side[/QUOTE]

You better believe that if Lebron ties Jordan in rings let alone surpasses him a lot of people will switch over to his side.

[QUOTE=AussieSteve;14298384]Is 3ball on the ish payroll?[/QUOTE]

I've been seriously wondering this myself, because I can't fathom why he is not permanently banned.

No Pip no chip

[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14298592]Is anyone saying the 2018 Celtics minus Hayward/Kyrie were better than the '89 Cavs, though?[/QUOTE]

Yes the bron kiddie stans have been saying that. There's long threads on the matter. It speaks to Lebrons level as a player that he could be expected to lose to rookie tatum, brown, and terry rozier when he has a prime all star all nba talent and a bunch of very good veteran role players and snipers on his side. The GOAT would never be expected to lose to a bunch of rookies under such circumstances, but alas it makes sense he is nowhere near GOAT.

jordan lost to the 88 pistons who were 54-28 (#3 in DRTG)
for the series, jordan averaged 27/9/5 on 49% shooting from the field

lebron beat the celtics in 2018 who were 55-27 (#1 in DRTG)
for the series, lebron averaged 34/9/8 on 52% shooting from the field

jordan's [U]OWN[/U] track record is why making the 18 finals wouldn't be guaranteed.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24;14298662]jordan lost to the 88 pistons who were 54-28 (#3 in DRTG)
for the series, jordan averaged 27/9/5 on 49% shooting from the field

lebron beat the celtics in 2018 who were 55-27 (#1 in DRTG)
for the series, lebron averaged 34/9/8 on 52% shooting from the field

jordan's [U]OWN[/U] track record is why making the 18 finals wouldn't be guaranteed.[/QUOTE]

So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298668]So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]

i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal? :confusedshrug:

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24;14298670]i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal? :confusedshrug:

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.[/QUOTE]

They lost in the Finals to the dynasty Lakers featuring Magic, Worthy, and Kareem in a brutal 7 game series.

:biggums:

And were one phantom call away on KAJ from beating them in 6 games. But "they lost that year" so they were trash right? This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever seen... that you would even have the balls to say the rookie 2018 celtics were better than the late 80s Detroit Pistons. You fellas are reaching new lows.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24;14298670]i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal? :confusedshrug:

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.[/QUOTE]


It's clear that:

89' Cavs > 18' Celtics

and it was [U]pre-title[/U] Jordan that beat those Cavs with no help and a rookie team, while lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the rookie Celtics

[QUOTE=tpols;14298652]Yes the bron kiddie stans have been saying that. There's long threads on the matter. It speaks to Lebrons level as a player that he could be expected to lose to rookie tatum, brown, and terry rozier [B][SIZE=3]when he has a prime all star all nba talent and a bunch of very good veteran role players[/SIZE][/B] and snipers on his side. The GOAT would never be expected to lose to a bunch of rookies under such circumstances, but alas it makes sense he is nowhere near GOAT.[/QUOTE]


Champion Jordan wouldn't need help like that to beat the 18' Celtics because [U]pre-title[/U] Jordan was already beating a much better team (89' Cavs) with a sophomore low seed

Soooo...the 89 Cavs were better than the 2018 Celtics. And...?

Is the point that Jordan beat a team once that was better than a team lebron beat one time?

I don’t get it.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298672]They lost in the Finals to the dynasty Lakers featuring Magic, Worthy, and Kareem in a brutal 7 game series.

:biggums:

And were one phantom call away on KAJ from beating them in 6 games. But "they lost that year" so they were trash right? This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever seen... that you would even have the balls to say to rookie 2018 celtics were better than the late 80s Detroit Pistons. You fellas are reaching new lows.[/QUOTE]

i'm literally comparing team record just like the op. but you're only whining because it trumps his argument. :oldlol:

and gaslighting your point doesn't make it more true. nobody said they were "trash" pal. again, detroit hadn't won a championship and LOST THAT YEAR. that isn't a dynasty.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298668]So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]


Lol absurd

[QUOTE=3ball;14298675]It's clear that:

89' Cavs > 18' Celtics

and it was [U]pre-title[/U] Jordan that beat those Cavs with no help and a rookie team, while lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the rookie Celtics[/QUOTE]

its also CLEAR that 18 lebron beat a team with more wins. jordan came up short - more evidence that making the 18 finals isn't clear-cut.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24;14298686]its also CLEAR that 18 lebron beat a team with more wins. jordan came up short - and more evidence that making the 18 finals isn't clear-cut.[/QUOTE]


I didn't just look at wins

I used SRS, net rating and all-stars, where the 88' Pistons destroy the 18' Celtics

But even without knowing the stats, no sane person would compare the 18' Celtics rookies to the dynasty Pistons (even if you don't like the term dynasty).. it's preposterous

2 titles does not make you a dynasty

[QUOTE=3ball;14298689]I didn't just look at wins

I used SRS, net rating and all-stars, where the 88' Pistons destroy the 18' Celtics

But even without knowing the stats, no sane person would compare the 18' Celtics rookies to the dynasty Pistons (even if you don't like the term dynasty).. it's preposterous[/QUOTE]

the pistons didn't win that year and had NEVER won a championship. far from a "dynasty" bud.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14298691]2 titles does not make you a dynasty[/QUOTE]

they won their first title in 1989 - the following year. b-b-but dynasty! :oldlol:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14298691]2 titles does not make you a dynasty[/QUOTE]

They were a single game away from a 3peat in a loaded era. They went to game 7 with Showtime the year before they repeated, and even Pat Riley admitted the KAJ phantom foul cost them the '88 title. The Pistons were absolutely considered a dynasty back then. First thing that comes up when you search it.

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The 1988-89 and 1989-90 Detroit Pistons teams are considered by most to be some of the greatest in NBA history. The “Bad Boys” were largely responsible for the demise of the great Lakers and Celtics teams of the '80s
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They beat Magic, Bird, and Jordan. That's dynasty. Are you gonna ride with your boy M and say the 2018 Celtics were on par with them? Its amazing were even debating this.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298695]They were a single game away from a 3peat in a loaded era. They were absolutely considered a dynasty back then. First thing that comes up when you search it.



They beat Magic, Bird, and Jordan. That's dynasty. Are you gonna ride with your boy M and say the 2018 Celtics were on par with them? Its amazing were even debating this.[/QUOTE]

this guy is up in arms over a team who lost, and had the same record as the 18 celtics. but is cool with op comparing pippen to jr smith. cant make this up :oldlol:

[QUOTE=tpols;14298695]They were a single game away from a 3peat in a loaded era. They were absolutely considered a dynasty back then. First thing that comes up when you search it.



They beat Magic, Bird, and Jordan. That's dynasty. Are you gonna ride with your boy M and say the 2018 Celtics were on par with them? Its amazing were even debating this.[/QUOTE]

It's not about the 2018 Cavs being better than the 1988 Pistons. The issue is that 3ball's arguments are based on ridiculous rationales which if applied consistently yield patently absurd results like '18 Celtics = '88 Pistons. No one thinks that, but that's what 3ball's argument produces.

You need a new account bud. That comparison is going to follow you around everywhere because it destroys your credibility. Ive never ever compared JR Smith to Pippen so that's not gonna fly. From what I've seen the OP post, he has only said that JR Smith at his best reached Pippens standard level of play, nothing more nothing less. You guys take that to mean JR Smith = Scottie Pippen because your dumb and couldn't properly comprehend his argument. Then again I'm posting with a guy who thinks the 80s pistons were worse than the 2018 celtics so I really shouldn't be expecting too much.

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie;14298707]It's not about the 2018 Cavs being better than the 1988 Pistons. The issue is that 3ball's arguments are based on ridiculous rationales which if applied consistently yield patently absurd results like '18 Celtics = '88 Pistons. No one thinks that, but that's what 3ball's argument produces.[/QUOTE]

He didn't even have to make the argument that way though. Count the all stars on the '89 Cavs, '89 Knicks, and '18 Celtics. The former two teams have all the all star selections. 5 to 0. So they were clearly way better.

[QUOTE=tpols;14298709]You need a new account bud. That comparison is going to follow you around everywhere because it destroys your credibility. Ive never ever compared JR Smith to Pippen so that's not gonna fly. [B]From what I've seen the OP post, he has only said that JR Smith at his best reached Pippens standard level of play, nothing more nothing less[/B]. You guys take that to mean JR Smith = Scottie Pippen because your dumb and couldn't properly comprehend his argument. Then again I'm posting with a guy who thinks the 80s pistons were worse than the 2018 celtics so I really shouldn't be expecting too much.[/QUOTE]

yeah, and the only way that's true is by ignoring defense and playmaking. we know the deal here though pal. you don't question it because it aligns with your agenda lol

i'm simply comparing the records of boston and detroit. you know "nothing more, nothing less"? don't cry the next time i use op's arguments him. :oldlol: