Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

Seems like there are only 2 camps out there

The ones who think Covid lethality isn't very serious and the need for a vaccine is ridiculous

And the ones who think Covid is extremely serious and the vaccine is helping a lot and needs to be implemented everywhere

Anyone else like me in the middle? I think Covid is super serious. I have a formerly healthy, thin, athletic cousin who's been in the hospital for 2 weeks with Covid. He's only 28 years old. At the same time I don't think this vaccine is doing shit. Take a look at the numbers

US now has more than four times as many cases of COVID and twice as many in hospital as this time last year with deaths up 80% despite 62% of population having at least one shot. With most of the population having the vaccine and even more people are dying, how is this vaccine helping exactly? :confusedshrug:

If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431118]Seems like there are only 2 camps out there

The ones who think Covid lethality isn't very serious and the need for a vaccine is ridiculous

And the ones who think Covid is extremely serious and the vaccine is helping a lot and needs to be implemented everywhere

Anyone else like me in the middle? I think Covid is super serious. I have a formerly healthy, thin, athletic cousin who's been in the hospital for 2 weeks with Covid. He's only 28 years old. At the same time I don't think this vaccine is doing shit. Take a look at the numbers

US now has more than four times as many cases of COVID and twice as many in hospital as this time last year with deaths up 80% despite 62% of population having at least one shot. With most of the population having the vaccine and even more people are dying, how is this vaccine helping exactly? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

They have to keep pumping up the numbers to try and force people to get the vaccine. If they report low numbers it will deincentive-ize the remain 40+% people to get it. The whole goal of this exercise is to put EVERYBODY on the leash. That's why they're combining with the private sector to mandate or you lose your job and can't even go to a restaurant.

So when you say the vaccine isn't working, you're right because its all a scam. They will report new variants in perpetuity and require non stop booster shots to combat them. Any injury or death will be attributed to the next new "variant".

When you look at places like Austrialia this is VERY scary. Were witnessing pure tyranny unfold.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/fLHyn1Fy/RDT-20210904-2347134539318567769028041.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431126][IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/fLHyn1Fy/RDT-20210904-2347134539318567769028041.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Right because one guy who is known to abuse drugs and alcohol actually means something.

[QUOTE].Delta Air Lines (DAL), for example, recently announced that it will begin implementing a $200 monthly surcharge for all unvaccinated employees beginning Nov. 1.

"[SIZE=5]The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person," [/SIZE]CEO Ed Bastian wrote in a memo. "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant,[SIZE=5] all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated[/SIZE] ." [/QUOTE]

[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. [B]Texas anti-mask ‘Freedom Defender’ dies of COVID at age 30[/B]

Jessica Wallace said her husband got sick in late July, but “was so hard-headed.”

“He didn’t want to see a doctor, because he didn’t want to be part of the statistics with COVID tests,” she said.

He then tried unproven ivermectin — a livestock dewormer that has been denounced by the FDA — high doses of vitamin C, zinc aspirin and an inhaler, the Standard-Times reported. [/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2021/08/texas-anti-mask-freedom-defender-dies-of-covid-at-age-30.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. [B]At my hospital, over 95% of COVID-19 patients share one thing in common: They’re unvaccinated[/B].

As an emergency medicine and critical care doctor at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle, I’ve lost count of the number of COVID-19 surges since the U.S. pandemic began in Seattle in February 2020. But this one feels different. [B]The patients are younger. They have fewer preexisting medical conditions. And at my hospital, over 95% of these hospitalized patients share one common feature: They’re unvaccinated. [/B][/QUOTE]

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/hospital-over-95-covid-19-122253397.html[/url]

[QUOTE]. Group of South Florida doctors stage walkout in protest of unvaccinated COVID patients

[B]A group of around 75 South Florida doctors staged a walkout on Monday to protest the number of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients flooding their hospital in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, MSNBC's Morning Joe reports.[/B]

The frustrated doctors want people to "[B]ignore the nonsense and the absurdities that you're hearing people say at public meetings and recognize the value of what a vaccine will do,"[/B] said Kerry Sanders, reporting on the ground in Florida. [/QUOTE]


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/group-south-florida-doctors-stage-153410458.html[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431127]Right because one guy who is known to abuse drugs and alcohol actually means something.



[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-mandates-america-122151333.html[/url][/QUOTE]
What has that got to do with the fact that he's been hospitalized for Covid despite being double vaccinated :confusedshrug:

I thought vaccines were supposed to give immunity

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431136]What has that got to do with the fact that he's been hospitalized for Covid despite being double vaccinated :confusedshrug:

I thought vaccines were supposed to give immunity[/QUOTE]


Immunity? Jesus you are an idiot.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431139]Immunity? Jesus you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Vaccine definition

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide [B]immunity[/B] against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431119]If you think the vaccine isn't doing sh** then you aren't paying attention. The people dying aren't vaccinated. That is why companies are mandating the vaccines, so they don't have to pay the hospital stays.

People are are out and about more now than last year Schools are open. Your reasoning is laughably bad[/QUOTE]

Things have been opening up and people moving around since March and April when a much lower percentage of people where vaccinated, yet more people are dying now than then.

You are just as ignorant as the people in this thread who are claiming the virus isn't as dangerous. Y'alls answers are proving the point of my thread topic. We apparently must feel the need to buy into one camp or the other.

I'm sorry, whether these vaccines are useless against the new varients or they never worked to begin with the facts are indisputable. Just as many or more people are dying now with the vaccine than before without it.

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431143]Things have been opening up and people moving around since March and April when a much lower percentage of people where vaccinated, yet more people are dying now than then.

You are just as ignorant as the people in this thread who are claiming the virus isn't as dangerous. Y'alls answers are proving the point of my thread topic. We apparently must feel the need to buy into one camp or the other.

I'm sorry, whether these vaccines are useless against the new varients or they never worked to begin with the facts are indisputable. Just as many or more people are dying now with the vaccine than before without it.[/QUOTE]


The facts are that over 95% of the people dying aren't vaccinated. Your cousin obviously wasn't and neither are you. You are just making stuff up to rationalize your stupid decisions.

Just a few weeks ago I could go out to eat or to the gym without a mask. Right now schools are open. They weren't last year. But somehow in your twisted brain that doesn't have an effect on the COVID numbers.

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431141]Vaccine definition

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide [B]immunity[/B] against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.[/QUOTE]


Wow you obviously live in a bubble or are just really dumb.

The drug makers have never claimed the vaccines give full immunity. What they have claimed, and what has proven to be true, is that severe illness and death are far less likely if you are vaccinated. It is also less likely that you will transmit the disease to someone else.

Just go to any hospital and ask them if they think the vaccine is working. Or just continue to wallow in ignorance.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431151]Wow you obviously live in a bubble or are just really dumb.

The drug makers have never claimed the vaccines give full immunity. What they have claimed, and what has proven to be true, is that severe illness and death are far less likely if you are vaccinated. It is also less likely that you will transmit the disease to someone else.

Just go to any hospital and ask them if they think the vaccine is working. Or just continue to wallow in ignorance.[/QUOTE]
A vaccine that doesn't work according to the actual scientific definition of what a vaccine actually is

lol :lol

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431156]A vaccine that doesn't work according to the actual scientific definition of what a vaccine actually is

lol :lol[/QUOTE]

You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

:facepalm

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431160]You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

:facepalm[/QUOTE]


You are stating the same thing I've said in previous posts. The vaccine is worthless against the new variants.

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431166]You are stating the same thing I've said in previous posts. The vaccine is worthless against the new variants.[/QUOTE]

No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less just recently and the Delta variant ( which is more contagious and more likely to cause severe illness) didn't even exist this time last year last year. The first documented case wasn't until December and it didn't become common here until this summer.

But none of that registers to simpletons like you.

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine provides protection against the Delta variant but not full immunity. That is why ICU beds aren't being filled with people who are vaccinated. They are being filled with anti vax nutjobs.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431160]You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

:facepalm[/QUOTE]
So why the f*ck are you suggesting that it should be mandated when it doesn't even do what it's designed to do

You can still catch Covid and die whether you're vaccinated or not vaccinated

Yes getting vaccinated reduces the chances of you dying but it doesn't give you full protection from anything

And people under 30 are more likely to do from side effects from the vaccine than Covid itself

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431175]So why the f*ck are you suggesting that it should be mandated when it doesn't even do what it's designed to do

You can still catch Covid and die whether you're vaccinated or not vaccinated

Yes getting vaccinated reduces the chances of you dying but it doesn't give you full protection from anything

And people under 30 are more likely to do from side effects from the vaccine than Covid itself[/QUOTE]


Hospital ICUs are overflowing with COVID patients who aren't vaccinated.

I already posted the story where the CEO of Delta Airlines said that each COVID hospital stay cost his company $50k and they all of his employees in the hospital are unvaccinated. They are going to charge their workers $200/month who choose to remain unvaccinated. I am sure other companies will follow suit.

When I got the vaccine in May it was a bit of a leap of faith. There wasn't as much evidence as there is now. I knew some people who got the vaccine before me and said the side effects were mild (sore arm, grogginess).

But back then the benefits of the vaccine weren't as clear as they are now

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14417182]Texas available hospital beds on March 18, 2020: 8,155 ([URL="https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/HOSPITAL_BED_CAPACITY_SLIDES_4.3.2020.pdf"]source[/URL])

Texas available hospital beds today August 11, 2021: 13,696 ([URL="https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization"]source[/URL])

Texas available hospital beds today September 4, 2021: 14,317 ([URL="https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization"]source[/URL])[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431179]Hospital ICUs are overflowing with COVID patients who aren't vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

So after 18 months of preparation, $13.3 trillion in allocated spending in the name of Covid-19, hospitals eerily empty in 2020, 70-80% of the high risk fully vaccinated w/ the unvaxxed having some level of immunity, and the states "hardest hit" having thousands more hospital beds available than they had in March 2020 before Covid-19, the hospitals are.. "overwhelmed."

Interesting take.

Btw, what is the absolute risk reduction for hospitalization/death over 6-12 months after becoming fully vaccinated? You can break it down by age groups.

Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431172]No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less just recently and the Delta variant ( which is more contagious and more likely to cause severe illness) didn't even exist this time last year last year. The first documented case wasn't until December and it didn't become common here until this summer.

But none of that registers to simpletons like you.

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine provides protection against the Delta variant but not full immunity. That is why ICU beds aren't being filled with people who are vaccinated. They are being filled with anti vax nutjobs.[/QUOTE]


You are so caught up in tribal politics you can no longer see the truth if it walked up to you and put it's dick in your mouth. You are just as bad as the side claiming it's a bad flu.

Look at how angry you've become over this religion of vaccination. You have emotional stake in being right over it.

Hey, I know how serious the virus is. I've got my 2 jabs. I bought into the hype that once there was a majority of people vaccinated that Covid would quickly go away. Well I can admit I was wrong. I'm sorry you can't. The virus has proven smarter than your vaccine.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431190]Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet[/QUOTE]


Why don't you go to your local hospital and see for yourself. Don't you know anyone who works in healthcare?

Why do you think dozens of doctors walked out in Florida protesting unvaccinated patients?

These antivax nuts talk about freedom. Let me clue you in on something. You aren't free in your own car. You need a license, insurance and you have to wear your seat belt or get a ticket.

Seat belts didn't exist in cars originally. When they were invented and their benefits became apparent people resisted them, complaining about their freedom just like anti vax nuts now. So they became mandatory.

The vaccine will become mandatory for most people in the workforce soon enough.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431190]Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's kinda difficult to buy the "hospitals overflowing due to the small % of people still unvaxxed" narrative when given all that info I just listed. Vaccine is super effective + 80%+ of high risk group fully vaxxed and/or some immunity + hospitals overwhelmed doesn't add up.

Btw, as I've said in the past, I think the vaccine does provide *some* protection against severe Covid-19 symptoms (just based on all the data I've looked at), but unfortunately we simply don't have any RCTs that were done to show it reduces your chance of being hospitalized or dying. The best RCT we had actually had 1 more death in the vaccine group than the control. :(

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431206]Why don't you go to your local hospital and see for yourself. Don't you know anyone who works in healthcare?

Why do you think dozens of doctors walked out in Florida protesting unvaccinated patients?

These antivax nuts talk about freedom. Let me clue you in on something. You aren't free in your own car.[/QUOTE]

-Yeah..

-White doctors in FL walked out and refused to treat Black patients. **** them. Absolutely despicable.

-What does "freedom" mean to you?

The overflowing hospital spiel is just a huge media propaganda tool..

The “vaccine” is basically just a flu shot. If they marketed it as that, ie, take one in autumn to give you protection for the flu season, they might have had a chance at everybody taking it..

But thats not the real agenda is it. All of these extra police and government powers, surveillance etc passports are the real plan..
Everything you do will be tied to the “vaccine passport”. Havnt had your booster? Can’t register your car, work, go to the gym or restaurant etc you will be on a tight leash forever..

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431172]No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that [B]schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less[/B]

simpletons like you.

nutjobs.[/QUOTE]

Interesting assumptions there.

How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?

[QUOTE=coin24;14431219]
But thats not the real agenda is it. All of these extra police and government powers, surveillance etc passports are the real plan..
Everything you do will be tied to the “vaccine passport”. Havnt had your booster? Can’t register your car, work, go to the gym or restaurant etc you will be on a tight leash forever..[/QUOTE]


The fact that he's gloating over forced vaccinations in the workplace tells me I don't want to be on THAT side. I'm not sure if I even have a side but that one definitely ain't the one for me.

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431250]The fact that he's gloating over forced vaccinations in the workplace tells me I don't want to be on THAT side. I'm not sure if I even have a side but that one definitely ain't the one for me.[/QUOTE]


News flash: you had to take a laundry list of vaccines to attend school as a kid. Off the top of my head mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus...varies by state and age but there were a lot of them.

In some states the flu vaccine was mandatory as the COVID vaccine surely will be.

Get over it

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431275]News flash: you had to take a laundry list of vaccines to attend school as a kid. Off the top of my head mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus...varies by state and age but there were a lot of them.

In some states the flu vaccine was mandatory as the COVID vaccine surely will be.

Get over it[/QUOTE]


You are missing the point of my entire thread. These vaccines don't work. When they have the effectiveness of the mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus vaccines then get back to me. You are gloating over people forced to get a vaccine that has proven not to work so far.

I'm certain that op envies your username, op.

Reading this thread was sad. Like watching one adult (tonztoz) try to reason with a group of toddlers.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14431190]Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet[/QUOTE]

You literally are though.

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431206]Why don't you go to your local hospital and see for yourself. Don't you know anyone who works in healthcare?

Why do you think dozens of doctors walked out in Florida protesting unvaccinated patients?

These antivax nuts talk about freedom. Let me clue you in on something. You aren't free in your own car. You need a license, insurance and you have to wear your seat belt or get a ticket.

Seat belts didn't exist in cars originally. When they were invented and their benefits became apparent people resisted them, complaining about their freedom just like anti vax nuts now. So they became mandatory.

The vaccine will become mandatory for most people in the workforce soon enough.[/QUOTE]

Walked out, as in they walked out of the hospital because they were on a break or off work?

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431292]You are missing the point of my entire thread. These vaccines don't work. When they have the effectiveness of the mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus vaccines then get back to me. You are gloating over people forced to get a vaccine that has proven not to work so far.[/QUOTE]



Proven not to work because you say so? They have absolutely proven to reduce the severity and transmissibility of covid. The data is overwhelming but complete immunity isn't going to happen for a virus that mutates.

A seat belt doesn't give complete protection in car accidents. You can still get hurt or even killed in a car crash if you are wearing a seat belt. Does that mean they don't work? :facepalm

[QUOTE=Back In Shape;14431143]Things have been opening up and people moving around since March and April when a much lower percentage of people where vaccinated, yet more people are dying now than then.

You are just as ignorant as the people in this thread who are claiming the virus isn't as dangerous. Y'alls answers are proving the point of my thread topic. We apparently must feel the need to buy into one camp or the other.

I'm sorry, whether these vaccines are useless against the new varients or they never worked to begin with the facts are indisputable. Just as many or more people are dying now with the vaccine than before without it.[/QUOTE]

I've only been following daily stats in Ontario, since I live there.

People here that are double dosed make up around 70%. So around 30% of people here are unvaccinated or single dosed. Out of our daily cases, 80% of them come from the 30% unvaccinated / single dosed.

Ratio is around the same for people in icu or hospitalized.

The fact is that you have the minority of the population taking up most of the cases and hospitalizations.

I still don't believe in mandatory vaccinations. People deserve to have a choice imo.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14431318]Reading this thread was sad. Like watching one adult (Cleverness) try to reason with a group of toddlers.[/QUOTE]

Thanks.

I'll keep trying to get through to people here. Are you still a big fan of Trump's National State of Emergency, Trump's Social Distancing Guidelines, Trump's Mask Urgency, Trump's Travel Bans, The Trump Vaccine, etc? I know you've been a big fan of Trump's plan to pull out of Afghanistan, which Biden has executed, but are you still a big fan of Trump's War on Covid-19?

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14431230]Interesting assumptions there.

How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431129][url]https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2021/08/texas-anti-mask-freedom-defender-dies-of-covid-at-age-30.html[/url]

[/QUOTE]



Every time I see that story posted... I'm going to post a story of somebody who has died after taking the vaccine.

[url]https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered-kassidi-kurill[/url]

[quote]SALT LAKE CITY (KUTV) - During a KUTV investigation into COVID-19 vaccine side effects and where to report them, we found four reported deaths, filed by Utah families and their caregivers to the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Reporting System.

One case stood out, a 39-year-old single mom from Ogden who died four days after her second dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine. Her family, who is now waiting on an autopsy, held a celebration of life for her this past weekend.

Kassidi Kurill by all accounts was healthy, happy and “had more energy” than just about anyone else around her. She had no known health problems or pre-existing conditions. [/quote]


[img]https://kutv.com/resources/media/09e9d2c7-d424-4a22-a1b3-2437e3eae50d-medium16x9_heidiphoto2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14431914]Every time I see that story posted... I'm going to post a story of somebody who has died after taking the vaccine.

[url]https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered-kassidi-kurill[/url]




[img]https://kutv.com/resources/media/09e9d2c7-d424-4a22-a1b3-2437e3eae50d-medium16x9_heidiphoto2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]



[QUOTE]. Investigation finds 'no deaths' in Utah caused by COVID-19 vaccines

SALT LAKE CITY (KUTV) — Utah's Office of the Medical Examiner issued a statement Thursday stating that no deaths in Utah have been caused by COVID-19 vaccines to date. The statement was sent out by the Utah Department of Health and was a joint statement from both government entities.

The OME said it has completed investigations into reported deaths where those who died had recently received the COVID-19 vaccine. Legally the office is required to keep details of these investigations confidential unless the late person's family provides permission for the office to discuss the findings publicly. The statement says:

The OME has determined there have been NO DEATHS caused by the COVID-19 vaccines to date in Utah. The OME is committed to investigating any deaths that fall under its jurisdiction where decedents had recently received the COVID-19 vaccine.




[/QUOTE]

[url]https://kutv.com/news/coronavirus/investigation-finds-no-deaths-in-utah-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines[/url]

[QUOTE=tontoz;14431923][url]https://kutv.com/news/coronavirus/investigation-finds-no-deaths-in-utah-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines[/url][/QUOTE]


Jeez... I wonder how she died then.... and the other three people for that matter.

I guess we can chalk that one up as another coincidence.



But can't chalk this one up as a coincidence:

[quote]New Zealand has reported what it believes to be its first death linked to the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine.

An independent vaccine safety monitoring board said the woman's death was "probably" due to myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle.

It also noted there were other medical issues which could have "influenced the outcome following vaccination".

European regulators say myocarditis is a "very rare" side effect and that the vaccine's benefits outweigh the risks.

The official cause of death has not yet been determined.

However, the Covid-19 Vaccine Independent Safety Monitoring Board said the myocarditis was "probably due to vaccination". [/quote]

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867[/url]