Why should i take a vaccine for something that's dangerous to someone else?

Someone please tell me. I'm in my 30's and very healthy. I'm as likely to die from covid as i am a heart attack or the flu. Covid kills and hospitalizes the old and unhealthy not the healthy and younger age groups. Why in the hell should i have to be forced to take this shit because a bunch of people in society are scared little bitches who are letting irrational fear cloud their judgment and common sense?

I've asked this question to tons of people and i haven't got one answer that makes sense. It's always some kind of irrational emotional general response like people are dying or the hospitals are overwhelmed. Neither of which makes any sense to my question at hand.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Axe;14470934]:oldlol:

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Good answer. That's usually what i get because it's impossible to answer with an intelligent response

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14470964]Good answer. That's usually what i get because it's impossible to answer with an intelligent response[/QUOTE]
Why are you being paranoid about vaccines lately? It destroys our impression of you.

The answer is clear. Because we have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. At all cost.

[QUOTE=Axe;14470970]Why are you being paranoid about vaccines lately? It destroys our impression of you.[/QUOTE]

I'm not paranoid at all. What's their to be paranoid about? I don't have to take the vaccine because my job dosn't require it and i have a gym in my basement and summer is over so i don't really care about going out to restaurants or golf or anything so there's really no motivation to get it at the moment. If the mandates are still around come next summer i'll get it because i golf alot and do alot of drinks and dinners at restaurants when the weather's nice.

It's just a question that i'm still waiting on a answer.

And dude this is just a forum. This isn't real life. I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of bronbron23:oldlol:

[QUOTE=jstern;14470990]The answer is clear. Because we have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. At all cost.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately i can't tell if your joking or not. That's how insane people have become. I'm assuming your being sarcastic though

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14470992]I'm not paranoid at all. What's their to be paranoid about? I don't have to take the vaccine because my job dosn't require it and i have a gym in my basement and summer is over so i don't really care about going out to restaurants or golf or anything so there's really no motivation to get it at the moment. If the mandates are still around come next summer i'll get it because i golf alot and do alot of drinks and dinners at restaurants when the weather's nice.

It's just a question that i'm still waiting on a answer.

And dude this is just a forum. This isn't real life. I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of bronbron23:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Idk but i think nobody seems to be forcing you, after all. The part that i don't understand is, why are you trying to tell or influence the other unvaxxed folks who plan on being vaxxed to not go for it? Or at least something like that. I think i mentioned here before that i had some healthy relatives who got symptoms without them and they succumbed to it.

And now it's time
For a vaccine rhyme
Somebody made a thread
It's about f#@kin time!

Vaccine yall...vaccine yall

[IMG]https://i.gifer.com/4tQy.gif[/IMG]

Va-Va-Vaccine yall

Mothaf@#ka

[QUOTE=Axe;14471000]Idk but i think nobody seems to be forcing you, after all. The part that i don't understand is, why are you trying to tell or influence the other unvaxxed folks who plan on being vaxxed to not go for it? Or at least something like that. I think i mentioned here before that i had some healthy relatives who got symptoms without them and they succumbed to it.[/QUOTE]

Well they're certainly trying to with mandates. I'm just above their b.s is all.

And i didn't tell anyone not to get it. I'm all for people getting the vaccine if that's what they want. I'm speaking for myself and those who feel the same way.

And if you had some relatively young healthy family members that died from covid that sucks and i feel for you but that was an extremely rare unfortunate circumstance because most people affected aren't young and healthy. A young healthy person Getting vaccinated based on your super rare unfortunate experience is irrational when compared to the countless risks they take everyday that they don't worry about at all. If that's what they want to do though that's their buisness. I don't care at all. Just don't expect me to feel the same way and don't vilify me or judge me because of it.

As of November 6, 2021:
7.25 billion vaccines given globally
3.12 billion people are fully vaccinated (40% of global population)

Each day, almost 4 million new people are being fully vaccinated. Keep opening new meltdown threads on the vaccine, and yelling into the wind. It will not do or change anything because you are in a very tiny minority with very loud barks.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14471037]As of November 6, 2021:
7.25 billion vaccines given globally
3.12 billion people are fully vaccinated (40% of global population)

Each day, almost 4 million new people are being fully vaccinated. Keep opening new meltdown threads on the vaccine, and yelling into the wind. It will not do or change anything because you are in a very tiny minority with very loud barks.[/QUOTE]

Cool stats but that didn't answer the question

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471032]Well they're certainly trying to with mandates. I'm just above their b.s is all.

And i didn't tell anyone not to get it. I'm all for people getting the vaccine if that's what they want. I'm speaking for myself and those who feel the same way.

And if you had some relatively young healthy family members that died from covid that sucks and i feel for you but that was an extremely rare unfortunate circumstance because most people affected aren't young and healthy. A young healthy person Getting vaccinated based on your super rare unfortunate experience is irrational when compared to the countless risks they take everyday that they don't worry about at all. If that's what they want to do though that's their buisness. I don't care at all. Just don't expect me to feel the same way and don't vilify me or judge me because of it.[/QUOTE]
But you have no problems if they take horse dewormers, such as ivermectin, for this purpose instead? Lol.

[QUOTE=Axe;14471136]But you have no problems if they take horse dewormers, such as ivermectin, for this purpose instead? Lol.[/QUOTE]

I never said that either but again what you wanna take is your own buisness.

And saying people who took ivermectin took horse dewormer is like saying people who drink water are drinking horse water because horses drink water also. Ivermectin was used effectively for humans for years before they made a animal grade one. It's such a weird thing to say. You just sound like a media tool when u say stuff like that because that's where u got it. Have you ever taken aspirin? Did you know that aspirin is given to cats and dogs also? That be like me laughing at you for taking dog medicine. Lots of drugs and medicines that's used for humans have an animal grade also. Don't be that guy bro. Don't just use talking points from other people without knowing what your talking about. Think for yourself.

because we lived in a world where even your opposition has no proof, as long as you can't prove them wrong, based on "I think therefor I am". we still have to acknowledge them. Then now we just realized that it's some tranny sh*t

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471141]I never said that either but again what you wanna take is your own buisness.

And saying people who took ivermectin took horse dewormer is like saying people who drink water are drinking horse water because horses drink water also. Ivermectin was used effectively for humans for years before they made a animal grade one. It's such a weird thing to say. You just sound like a media tool when u say stuff like that because that's where u got it. Have you ever taken aspirin? Did you know that aspirin is given to cats and dogs also? That be like me laughing at you for taking dog medicine. Lots of drugs and medicines that's used for humans have an animal grade also. Don't be that guy bro. Don't just use talking points from other people without knowing what your talking about. Think for yourself.[/QUOTE]
I mean you're the one who made this thread, after all. So don't expect all folks here to agree with you or have the same perception as yours towards this subject.

Boy.. You don't watch the news or pay attention to the science. It doesn't matter if you are young. If you go somewhere and catch it and then pass it on to someone else, they can catch it from you. In fact if you are young, it makes you more dangerous because you could be asymptomatic. What don't you understand? It is was it is. Just take the vaccine. You said you're healthy, therefore you don't need to worry about the vaccine.

The correct answer is achieving herd immunity. The real danger of covid is hospitals being overwhelmed and achieving herd immunity should prevent that. If hospitals are overwhelmed and healthcare is on the brink of collapse, as we have seen in many countries, then everyone and everything is affected.

A secondary reason is as a society, there is always this unspoken rule of protecting others, especially the weaker. Like why should there be a ridiculously slow speed limit on roads near school? After all, if you hit a kid, you're not gonna die. Why should you have to slow down? Or why do the disabled get priority parking spots.

[QUOTE=Axe;14471197]I mean you're the one who made this thread, after all. So don't expect all folks here to agree with you or have the same perception as yours towards this subject.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to have my perspective man i'm just telling you why i think my perspective makes more sense.

[QUOTE=Walk on Water;14471205]Boy.. You don't watch the news or pay attention to the science. It doesn't matter if you are young. If you go somewhere and catch it and then pass it on to someone else, they can catch it from you. In fact if you are young, it makes you more dangerous because you could be asymptomatic. What don't you understand? It is was it is. Just take the vaccine. You said you're healthy, therefore you don't need to worry about the vaccine.[/QUOTE] I pay attention to the science but i don't pay much attention to the news so much. They've been wrong countless times on this and so many things before this. I don't know how you can ask me that with a straight face. You do know thAt networks like cnn, fox and nbc aren't really news anymore right? Once the aligned themselves with a side politically they stopped being the news. At least now i know where you ignorance on the matter comes from.

So your correct in that the science says i can pass it on and spread the virus but the science says the vaccinated do this just as much. This is where the disconnect is happening and it's because of the news that you so easily trust. They're still using talking points from alpha. With alpha the vaccines did reduce infection and transmission. There's no alpha left though. Delta is all of the cases and with delta transmission and infection aren't significantly reduced by the vaccines. This is what the science and fauci and cdc tells us so how does what your saying make sense?

[QUOTE=iamgine;14471228]The correct answer is achieving herd immunity. The real danger of covid is hospitals being overwhelmed and achieving herd immunity should prevent that. If hospitals are overwhelmed and healthcare is on the brink of collapse, as we have seen in many countries, then everyone and everything is affected.

A secondary reason is as a society, there is always this unspoken rule of protecting others, especially the weaker. Like why should there be a ridiculously slow speed limit on roads near school? After all, if you hit a kid, you're not gonna die. Why should you have to slow down? Or why do the disabled get priority parking spots.[/QUOTE]

The problem with this talking point is it dosn't address my question because hospitals aren't being overwhelmed by children or younger healthy adults and they're not being overwhelmed by people with natural immunity. It's the old and unhealthy who are the ones overwhelming the hospitals. They're the ones that need the vaccines. That be like blaming younger people or healthy people for all the old and unhealthy people who overwhelm the hospitals because of their heart disease or type 2 diabetes. How doest this make sense?

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471265]The problem with this talking point is it dosn't address my question because hospitals aren't being overwhelmed by children or younger healthy adults and they're not being overwhelmed by people with natural immunity. It's the old and unhealthy who are the ones overwhelming the hospitals. They're the ones that need the vaccines. That be like blaming younger people or healthy people for all the old and unhealthy people who overwhelm the hospitals because of their heart disease or type 2 diabetes. How doest this make sense?[/QUOTE]

Well in many countries younger people contribute significantly in overwhelming hospitals too so your assumption is not correct.

Also, everyone can contribute in spreading the virus. Especially younger people since they're more active.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14471268]Well in many countries younger people contribute significantly in overwhelming hospitals too so your assumption is not correct.

Also, everyone can contribute in spreading the virus. Especially younger people since they're more active.[/QUOTE]

Well in those countries that's impoverished with alot of unhealthy kids they should get the vaccine. I'm talking about the us where younger people aren't overwhelming the hospitals. That's not a good argument man. That's like saying children here should take the vaccine for malaria because alot if kids in poor countries are being hospitalized from it.

And i agree everyone can spread it but that's my point. If both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread it why should only the unvaccinated be the ones restricted from doing anything? Either still restrict everyone ro minimize the spread or don't restrict anyone and except that a small percentage of the remaining unvaccinated are going to het sick and die. We accept these kinds of low risks all the time btw.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471262]
So your correct in that the science says i can pass it on and spread the virus but the science says the vaccinated do this just as much. This is where the disconnect is happening and it's because of the news that you so easily trust. They're still using talking points from alpha. With alpha the vaccines did reduce infection and transmission. There's no alpha left though. Delta is all of the cases and with delta transmission and infection aren't significantly reduced by the vaccines. This is what the science and fauci and cdc tells us so how does what your saying make sense?[/QUOTE]

it might be feasible to say that a vaccine reduces infection, however, if something that can stop the transmission. you call that a bug spray, not a vaccine.

a vaccine's main priority would be to prevent your body from receiving and reacting to the germ/virus, since it's been determined our immune system, can not. I'm unaware as to how, if a vaccine, put into the body, could then somehow eliminate the germ/virus from transmitting, can't be replicated in a spray. It's not as if the human body carries a much richer state of oxygen than the atmosphere.

I mean, if the whole world took allergy pills together, soon, everyone will just somehow be cleared off allergies, right.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14471279]it might be feasible to say that a vaccine reduces infection, however, if something that can stop the transmission. you call that a bug spray, not a vaccine.

a vaccine's main priority would be to prevent your body from receiving and reacting to the germ/virus, since it's been determined our immune system, can not. I'm unaware as to how, if a vaccine, put into the body, could then somehow eliminate the germ/virus from transmitting, can't be replicated in a spray. It's not as if the human body carries a much richer state of oxygen than the atmosphere.

I mean, if the whole world took allergy pills together, soon, everyone will just somehow be cleared off allergies, right.[/QUOTE]

From what i read about the science behind these vaccines and infection and transmission has to do with the amount of virus in the nasal fairings. Apparently with alpha the vaccinated had less which meant there was a less chance of getting infected and less chance of spreading it. With delta though the amount of virus in the fairings of a vaxxed and non vaxxed is equal.

Whether that all makes or not i have no idea. That's just what the science is saying and i'll take there word on it because i'm not a doctor.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471278]Well in those countries that's impoverished with alot of unhealthy kids they should get the vaccine. I'm talking about the us where younger people aren't overwhelming the hospitals. That's not a good argument man. That's like saying children here should take the vaccine for malaria because alot if kids in poor countries are being hospitalized from it.

And i agree everyone can spread it but that's my point. If both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread it why should only the unvaccinated be the ones restricted from doing anything? Either still restrict everyone ro minimize the spread or don't restrict anyone and except that a small percentage of the remaining unvaccinated are going to het sick and die. We accept these kinds of low risks all the time btw.[/QUOTE]

Uh no we're not talking impoverished here. Again, that assumption is incorrect.

Vaccine limits transmission and symptoms. It's not hard to understand.

Don't give a shit whether you've got a vaccine or not tbh.

But just as a conceptual exercise: by OP's logic just shoot a gun randomly into the air. It's dangerous to others not the shooter so who cares and it's not like the shooter was intending to do any harm as they were just being random and aiming for the air not people.

A bit more exaggerated then vaccinating the healthy young folks in question but similar concept of that it doesn't affect the person being negligent only potentially random people near by. What we do can sometimes affect the safety of others and probably we should attempt to do the right things in those situations. Leaving the discretion up to the individuals as a society is also a fail waiting to happen by the way. Too many people simply refuse to do the "right thing" I don't even mean like 5-10 percent or less I mean about 50 percent lol. But I understand the devils advocate to that too, I mean do we really want more instructions or laws mandating things? Most people want to resist that naturally. Even though it's funny nobody complains about stop signs or drivers licenses. But whatever, the vaccine offered me protection. I got it. My close circle got it. The rest of the world can do what they like including OP.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14471287]Uh no we're not talking impoverished here. Again, that assumption is incorrect.

Vaccine limits transmission and symptoms. It's not hard to understand.[/QUOTE]

Which so called 1st world country is overwhelmed with young people?

Here's the uk stats [url]https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals[/url]

Here's canada [url]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228610/number-covid-cases-hospitalized-canada-by-age/[/url]

Here's is the cdc director [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ[/url] go to 1:23. She confirms that they don't know if the vaccine reduces transmission. This was right before data finally did come out showing it dosn't. That's what fauci was speaking on in the other video. Funny thing is at the time the "science" was saying they don't know while the media was saying it did. That's why no intelligent person trusts the media.

And if there is a first world country that's hospitals are mostly overwhelmed with young people they should absolutely get young people vaccinated but again that would be an oulier which dosn't correlate to most countries

And no the vaccines do not limit infection and transmission. Your going on old data from alpha. With delta this isn't the case. Here's the countries top "scince" advisors acknowledging this. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU[/url]

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ[/url] go to 1:23. The cdc director acknowledges this qnd confirms what i'm saying. She acknowledges she dosn't know if the vaccines reduce transmission. Meanwhile the meadia was saying it did. This is why people who think for themselves don't trust the media.

You don't know what your talking about man.

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14471293]Don't give a shit whether you've got a vaccine or not tbh.

But just as a conceptual exercise: by OP's logic just shoot a gun randomly into the air. It's dangerous to others not the shooter so who cares and it's not like the shooter was intending to do any harm as they were just being random and aiming for the air not people.

A bit more exaggerated then vaccinating the healthy young folks in question but similar concept of that it doesn't affect the person being negligent only potentially random people near by. What we do can sometimes affect the safety of others and probably we should attempt to do the right things in those situations. Leaving the discretion up to the individuals as a society is also a fail waiting to happen by the way. Too many people simply refuse to do the "right thing" I don't even mean like 5-10 percent or less I mean about 50 percent lol. But I understand the devils advocate to that too, I mean do we really want more instructions or laws mandating things? Most people want to resist that naturally. Even though it's funny nobody complains about stop signs or drivers licenses. But whatever, the vaccine offered me protection. I got it. My close circle got it. The rest of the world can do what they like including OP.[/QUOTE]

No that's a terrible analogy bro but If i was to use your analogy and apply it to my stance i'd basically be saying that if a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person both shot a gun in the air both peoples bullets could randomly hit someone. The vaccinated bullet isn't gonna not kill someone because their vaccinated.

That's my point. That both vaccinated and non vaccinated can get infected and spread covid so how does it make sense to only restrict the non vaccinated when the vaccinated spread covid just as much?

And i never said i didn't care but we have to move on and live life. Plus if 5he vaccines work and protect you how am i endangering you?

Covid is like a fart. the moment it was released, everyone went "oh, no no" yet, no one had smelled the fart yet

then came the part where, well, it's a fart, and you're in the proximity, so sure, you can cover your nose to make it slightly better, but boy, does that smell just linger like a dead body

finally, the vaccine came, now you're allowed to be a "self-educated-proclaimed" doctor/politician and say, that etiquette was just nasty, and someone needs to do something to prevent such behavior from happening again. While the general public already went, "self-righteous bastard moved so ****ing slow, sure, I might forgive some of those who opened the window, but that ****ing fart had already been released and lingered and now your greedy ass just wants to come around and collect some pay-check for the 'right' reason"


good thing that's exactly how that xyz amount of healthy industry is ran huh

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471295]Which so called 1st world country is overwhelmed with young people?

Here's the uk stats [url]https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals[/url]

Here's canada [url]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228610/number-covid-cases-hospitalized-canada-by-age/[/url]

Here's is the cdc director [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ[/url] go to 1:23. She confirms that they don't know if the vaccine reduces transmission. This was right before data finally did come out showing it dosn't. That's what fauci was speaking on in the other video. Funny thing is at the time the "science" was saying they don't know while the media was saying it did. That's why no intelligent person trusts the media.

And if there is a first world country that's hospitals are mostly overwhelmed with young people they should absolutely get young people vaccinated but again that would be an oulier which dosn't correlate to most countries

And no the vaccines do not limit infection and transmission. Your going on old data from alpha. With delta this isn't the case. Here's the countries top "scince" advisors acknowledging this. [url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9iHyj1uiU[/url]

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ[/url] go to 1:23. The cdc director acknowledges this qnd confirms what i'm saying. She acknowledges she dosn't know if the vaccines reduce transmission. Meanwhile the meadia was saying it did. This is why people who think for themselves don't trust the media.

You don't know what your talking about man.[/QUOTE]
Even in that Canada data, people 0-49 contributes around 25% of hospitalization. That's significant.

She said she doesn't know because there's no data yet. But if a vaccine have any efficacy at all of course it's going to reduce transmission and hospitalization. This is just common sense.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471298]No that's a terrible analogy bro but If i was to use your analogy and apply it to my stance i'd basically be saying that if a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person both shot a gun in the air both peoples bullets could randomly hit someone. The vaccinated bullet isn't gonna not kill someone because their vaccinated.

That's my point. That both vaccinated and non vaccinated can get infected and spread covid so how does it make sense to only restrict the non vaccinated when the vaccinated spread covid just as much?

And i never said i didn't care but we have to move on and live life. Plus if 5he vaccines work and protect you how am i endangering you?[/QUOTE]
Let's nuance the shit out of this to fit better since a simple analogy wasn't sufficient for you:

*Anyone who is hit with a round unless on a hard bullet proof plate involuntarily starts firing randomly into the air themselves before they recover or die.
*Put hard bullet proof plate vest is only given to the population that "chooses" to wear the vests (vaccination)*
*A bullet can in fact hit them where the vest didn't cover (the vaccine/armor isn't perfect but it's still pretty robust) and yes if hit where the plate didn't protect them they'd also shoot into the air*
*Only put [I]soft[/I] fabric bullet proof vests on the "30 somethings" that are in the prime of their life and feel they don't need the vaccines - if they get hit anywhere (including the vest) they'll still start firing randomly into the air. In other words, they are contagious no matter what where as the ones with hard armor plate are contagious less often.

It's just a game of odds and unfortunately the vaccine isn't perfect it's like wearing a hard bullet proof vest. The round could still smack some of the armored folks in the arm or face and harm or kill them anyways sure. But it's better than being young and unvaccinated as far as [I]spreading[/I] the disease goes and ultimately will result in far less rounds being fired into the air. If the virus doesn't multiply in your system (due to the hard plate vest not allowing it to enter) you're not as likely spread it like say, the young unvaccinated folks who still definitely get sick at high rates they just don't die as often.

I up the odds to protect myself and my circle (family, friends, etc). But some people in my circle are old or in the high risk category. I know of two fully vaccinated people who died already, one of them a doctor early 60's still very much in the prime of his career with no prior existing health issues known to him another one an individual about 51 with no prior obvious health issues that would have set off an alarm like they could die of Covid despite being vaccinated themselves. Now mind you, everyone else I've heard of that died was not vaccinated which is about 7 other folks I'm aware of. So I can cast any news crap aside and conclude on my own that the vaccinated in this small sample size seem to not die as often as those who did not get the vaccine.

Also you very much indeed "don't care." Don't pretend you do. You're more concerned about being politically right than you are about the wellbeing of anyone around you. And that's exactly what I expect out of the population which is why I don't care if you get vaccinated or not I just did what I could for myself and those I do care about.

if people honestly and genuinely believed that the vaccine worked, they'd rush to the line and get all the vaccines for the people they cared at no cost, and they would be thrilled that others choose not to vaccinate. hell, you don't want it, better!!! my friends are saved!!!


somehow, that's not the case, because apparently, the infinite continuous bullet analogy now fits into the physics equation of matters-energy.

some real retarded shit

[QUOTE=iamgine;14471310]Even in that Canada data, people 0-49 contributes around 25% of hospitalization. That's significant.

She said she doesn't know because there's no data yet. But if a vaccine have any efficacy at all of course it's going to reduce transmission and hospitalization. This is just common sense.[/QUOTE]

I said young people man grouping in 40-49 year olds with young adults is disingenuous. 35 and over isn't young. The small percentage of those from that group that are healthy are low risk but if your late 30's or over your definitely at higher risk.

And that's not how efficacy works man. Efficacy has degrees. Some vaccines stop and reduce transmission and some not so much. The flu vaccine like covid vaccine is great for reducing death and severe sickness but it does very little in reducing infection and transmission. With that said Common sense actually leads more to vaccines not significantly reducing transmission.

People in this thread talking about not getting a vaccine with no long term human clinical trials that doesn't prevent transmission and whose side effects are not fully understood yet is like shooting guns in the air at people. :lol :facepalm

Cant make this shit up. Straight up retarded.

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;14471312]Let's nuance the shit out of this to fit better since a simple analogy wasn't sufficient for you:

*Anyone who is hit with a round unless on a hard bullet proof plate involuntarily starts firing randomly into the air themselves before they recover or die.
*Put hard bullet proof plate vest is only given to the population that "chooses" to wear the vests (vaccination)*
*A bullet can in fact hit them where the vest didn't cover (the vaccine/armor isn't perfect but it's still pretty robust) and yes if hit where the plate didn't protect them they'd also shoot into the air*
*Only put [I]soft[/I] fabric bullet proof vests on the "30 somethings" that are in the prime of their life and feel they don't need the vaccines - if they get hit anywhere (including the vest) they'll still start firing randomly into the air. In other words, they are contagious no matter what where as the ones with hard armor plate are contagious less often.

It's just a game of odds and unfortunately the vaccine isn't perfect it's like wearing a hard bullet proof vest. The round could still smack some of the armored folks in the arm or face and harm or kill them anyways sure. But it's better than being young and unvaccinated as far as [I]spreading[/I] the disease goes and ultimately will result in far less rounds being fired into the air. If the virus doesn't multiply in your system (due to the hard plate vest not allowing it to enter) you're not as likely spread it like say, the young unvaccinated folks who still definitely get sick at high rates they just don't die as often.

I up the odds to protect myself and my circle (family, friends, etc). But some people in my circle are old or in the high risk category. I know of two fully vaccinated people who died already, one of them a doctor early 60's still very much in the prime of his career with no prior existing health issues known to him another one an individual about 51 with no prior obvious health issues that would have set off an alarm like they could die of Covid despite being vaccinated themselves. Now mind you, everyone else I've heard of that died was not vaccinated which is about 7 other folks I'm aware of. So I can cast any news crap aside and conclude on my own that the vaccinated in this small sample size seem to not die as often as those who did not get the vaccine.

Also you very much indeed "don't care." Don't pretend you do. You're more concerned about being politically right than you are about the wellbeing of anyone around you. And that's exactly what I expect out of the population which is why I don't care if you get vaccinated or not I just did what I could for myself and those I do care about.[/QUOTE]

I got the analogy but neither really apply to what i said. I know the vaccine works and protects people. Your analogy works in that sense but i never said the vaccine dosn't work. Your analogy falls short in its relation to the spread because both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread covid pretty much equally. You aren't significantly reducing the risk of infecting the people around you by getting the vaccine because they're just as much at risk from you as they are me. So it's not that i don't care. It's just that it dosn't make sense. It has nothing to do with politics man. It has everything to do with common sense.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14471317]if people honestly and genuinely believed that the vaccine worked, they'd rush to the line and get all the vaccines for the people they cared at no cost, and they would be thrilled that others choose not to vaccinate. hell, you don't want it, better!!! my friends are saved!!!


somehow, that's not the case, because apparently, the infinite continuous bullet analogy now fits into the physics equation of matters-energy.

some real retarded shit[/QUOTE]

Yeah it was a bad one. I have a young son and a wife. I visit my older parents all the time. If the vaccine significantly reduced transmission i'd get it fast. That's not the case though. The vaccines protects me but I'm 35 and healthy and extremely low risk. I'm also pretty care free so i don't worry about small risks anyway so based on this why would i get it? I get old people and unhealthy people getting it. I get people with anxiety who are nervous about everything getting it. I'm not them though.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471318]I said young people man grouping in 40-49 year olds with young adults is disingenuous. 35 and over isn't young. The small percentage of those from that group that are healthy are low risk but if your late 30's or over your definitely at higher risk.

And that's not how efficacy works man. Efficacy has degrees. Some vaccines stop and reduce transmission and some not so much. The flu vaccine like covid vaccine is great for reducing death and severe sickness but it does very little in reducing infection and transmission. With that said Common sense actually leads more to vaccines not significantly reducing transmission.[/QUOTE]
Even the lower age group still contributes tens of thousands of patients.

The vaccine reduces infection and also accelerates viral clearance. Which means you are less likely to contract the virus and even if you do, you'll recover faster. Which means less chance of transmitting it to others and less/faster hospitalization. This is just common sense.

[QUOTE=iamgine;14471343]Even the lower age group still contributes tens of thousands of patients.

The vaccine reduces infection and also accelerates viral clearance. Which means you are less likely to contract the virus and even if you do, you'll recover faster. Which means less chance of transmitting it to others and less/faster hospitalization. This is just common sense.[/QUOTE]

The lower age group are contributing to less than 10% that's not significant enough to mandate it for that age group. Your basically running your argument on the one life saved argument which isn't a good one. We except minimal risks all the time. This is no different.

And again with reducing infection and transmission point it's very minimal. It dosn't significantly reduce it. We don't apply this to the flu which kills just as many kids and kills tens of thousands and infects tens of millions.

I don't see this same concern for minimal risk for the flu or heart disease or type 2 diabetes. Combined these thinga are way more likely to kill or hospitalize people. What's next are we gonna force people on what and how to eat? Why no outrage for all these unhealthy fat f*cks that overwhelme the hospitals every year. Why no outrage for people spreading the flu which kills just as many kids as covid?

What's common sense is that the world is full of things that pose an extremely low risk to our safety and survival. We except and live with these risks every day because living in fear of things that's minimal risk is no way to live your life. Alot of people have let the media and government scare them into being scared of something that they otherwise wouldn't have been if not for all the fear mongering and now people like you are acting irrational.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14471326]I got the analogy but neither really apply to what i said. I know the vaccine works and protects people. Your analogy works in that sense but i never said the vaccine dosn't work. Your analogy falls short in its relation to the spread because both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread covid pretty much equally. You aren't significantly reducing the risk of infecting the people around you by getting the vaccine because they're just as much at risk from you as they are me. So it's not that i don't care. It's just that it dosn't make sense. It has nothing to do with politics man. It has everything to do with common sense.[/QUOTE]
My understanding could be mistaken but my understanding was the vaccinated do not catch and play host - therefore do not spread - Covid as profusely or as easily as those who do not get vaccinated. Some with the vaccine certainly can and do catch it to infectious and even lethal levels yes these are those break through cases that the news loves to talk about - but the numbers are far far reduced by comparison to the unvaccinated. Therefore, in a perfect world, if everyone truly cared about dropping numbers with simple measures things like a (totally free) vaccine would be a no brainer. But my other point is - people don't care to do the right thing. So they don't.