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Out of nowhere, the Grizzlies are now the 2nd seed in the West. Philly and Milwaukee have taken steps backwards from last year, and Harden will take votes from Embiid now that they're taking off. It's between Embiid and Morant. The fact that Memphis has come out of nowhere tells me Morant will win MVP if everything holds as is right now. If they go on a losing streak and Philly continues to win it will be Embiid.
Morant has my vote. Embiid and Jokic both deserve it too, but I'm pulling for Morant all the way.
Came here to inform Shaq just called Ja, the best player in the league....
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=grizzlies+record+without+ja+morant+2021-22[/url]
They're not gonna like it.
I'm sure we'll get some rookie try and discredit Ja, because the team had an inflated record when he was out a few games.
Ja is killing it....and he gets the W
2nd in the conference, KILLING IT
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14552934]Out of nowhere, the Grizzlies are now the 2nd seed in the West. Philly and Milwaukee have taken steps backwards from last year, and Harden will take votes from Embiid now that they're taking off. [B]It's between Embiid and Jokic[/B]. The fact that Memphis has come out of nowhere tells me Morant will win MVP if everything holds as is right now. If they go on a losing streak and Philly continues to win it will be Embiid.[/QUOTE]
FYP
Jokic is averaging 26/14/8 with a 65.6% TS
Morant is averaging 27.5/6/7 with a 58% TS
Barring injuries it will come down to a close vote between Jokic and Embiid.
mem is 12-2 without him. not winning mvp.
Tatum is more impressive imo
Ja is the most exciting player in the league by a large margin but really shouldn't be considered MVP because Memphis is not dependent on him to win. Memphis is #1 in fast break points because they have multiple players who can dribble, create thier own shot and find the open man. Joker and Embid have more gravity, if Ja is considered why isn't Devin Booker a MVP candidate?
[QUOTE=tontoz;14553178]FYP
Jokic is averaging 26/14/8 with a 65.6% TS
Morant is averaging 27.5/6/7 with a 58% TS
Barring injuries it will come down to a close vote between Jokic and Embiid.[/QUOTE]
The MVP award has always had some aspect of winning baked into it. Denver is 6th in the conference this year after finishing 3rd last year, they've taken a step backwards. Memphis was 9th last year and is currently 2nd, they've taken a huge leap forward and Morant will get the credit for it. It won't be Jokic.
With Embiid, Philly finished 1st in the East last year and are currently 2nd this year. There's a good chance they finish atop the Eastern Conference, but I have to think part of that credit will go to Harden joining them mid-season. It's going to come down to Embiid or Morant
If everything holds as it is now, Morant will win it.
[QUOTE=insight;14553206]Ja is the most exciting player in the league by a large margin but really shouldn't be considered MVP because Memphis is not dependent on him to win. Memphis is #1 in fast break points because they have multiple players who can dribble, create thier own shot and find the open man. Joker and Embid have more gravity, if Ja is considered why isn't Devin Booker a MVP candidate?[/QUOTE]
Phoenix was 2nd in the West last year barely missing the top spot. What Memphis has done is much more impressive. Morant will get the credit for it.
Umm, guys?
Lebron exists.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553215]The MVP award has always had some aspect of winning baked into it. Denver is 6th in the conference this year after finishing 3rd last year, they've taken a step backwards. Memphis was 9th last year and is currently 2nd, they've taken a huge leap forward and Morant will get the credit for it. It won't be Jokic.
With Embiid, Philly finished 1st in the East last year and are currently 2nd this year. There's a good chance they finish atop the Eastern Conference, but I have to think part of that credit will go to Harden joining them mid-season. It's going to come down to Embiid or Morant
If everything holds as it is now, Morant will win it.[/QUOTE]
Look at the Nuggets roster right now though..
Jokic is having an INSANE season.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553215]The MVP award has always had some aspect of winning baked into it. Denver is 6th in the conference this year after finishing 3rd last year, they've taken a step backwards. Memphis was 9th last year and is currently 2nd, they've taken a huge leap forward and Morant will get the credit for it. It won't be Jokic.
With Embiid, Philly finished 1st in the East last year and are currently 2nd this year. There's a good chance they finish atop the Eastern Conference, but I have to think part of that credit will go to Harden joining them mid-season. It's going to come down to Embiid or Morant
If everything holds as it is now, Morant will win it.[/QUOTE]
Morant has no chance. Zero. I don't think a first time All-Star has won MVP since the 70s. His only chance to win would be if his numbers were overwhelmingly better than everyone else. In fact his numbers aren't even on the same tier as Jokic/Embiid/Giannis.
Denver is 13 games over .500 without their 2nd (Murray) and 3rd (MPJ) options on offense. Those two have been out all year. After Jokic their two best players are Gordon and Barton lol.
Morant is currently 5th on the Kia MVP ladder, the highest he has been all year, behind Derozan.
[url]https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-march-4-edition[/url]
[QUOTE=Johnny32;14553182]mem is 12-2 without him. not winning mvp.[/QUOTE]
This ^^^^^
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14553218]Look at the Nuggets roster right now though..
Jokic is having an INSANE season.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying you're wrong. I think the fact that Memphis went from 9th last year to currently 2nd will be a huge for Morant.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14553217]Umm, guys?
Lebron exists.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
also, big FU op, I started this campaign a long time ago. You dont get to take the credit.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553216]Phoenix was 2nd in the West last year barely missing the top spot. What Memphis has done is much more impressive. Morant will get the credit for it.[/QUOTE]
How is what Memphis doing more impressive than what Phoenix is doing? By you logic Booker or CP3 should have won it last year.
Memphis started their win streak win Ja was injured! Its silly to call a player the MVP when the team started winning when he wasn't playing.
The west is down this year due to all the injuries, Memphis is playing well but let's not pretend that several west teams missing stars is a major reason why they are #2.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14553217]Umm, guys?
Lebron exists.[/QUOTE]
Let's take a moment to appreciate him leading his team well below .500 and not even making the playoffs without the play-in...
The play-in he's not even guaranteed to make either.
As all the sports networks across the globe are saying - "No LeBron, No difference"
[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14553300]Let's take a moment to appreciate him leading his team well below .500 and not even making the playoffs without the play-in...
The play-in he's not even guaranteed to make either.
As all the sports networks across the globe are saying - "No LeBron, No difference"[/QUOTE]
I thought Lebron makes his teammates better :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553226]I'm not saying you're wrong. I think the fact that Memphis went from 9th last year to currently 2nd will be a huge for Morant.[/QUOTE]
Not that what you're saying is crazy, but if you believe this then throw some money down. Ja is running over +1000 almost everywhere.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14553306]Not that what you're saying is crazy, but if you believe this then throw some money down. Ja is running over +1000 almost everywhere.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a gambler and I'm also not saying I'm 100% correct. It's just I've seen precedent for this before.
Just off the top of my head, in 1992 Charles Barkley went to Phoenix, they finished 1st in the West and Barkley won the MVP. Barkley didn't lead the league in scoring or rebounding.
In 2003-'04 Phoenix was near the bottom of the conference. Steve Nash gets traded to Phoenix, they finish 1st in the conference and Nash wins MVP. Nash didn't have the best stats either.
And then Derrick Rose, Chicago finished 41-41 in 2010, next season the Bulls finish 1st in the Conference and wins MVP.
I see similarities with Ja Morant.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553309]I'm not a gambler and I'm also not saying I'm 100% correct. It's just I've seen precedent for this before.
Just off the top of my head, in 1992 Charles Barkley went to Phoenix, they finished 1st in the West and Barkley won the MVP. Barkley didn't lead the league in scoring or rebounding.
In 2003-'04 Phoenix was near the bottom of the conference. Steve Nash gets traded to Phoenix, they finish 1st in the conference and Nash wins MVP. Nash didn't have the best stats either.
And then Derrick Rose, Chicago finished 41-41 in 2010, next season the Bulls finish 1st in the Conference and wins MVP.
I see similarities with Ja Morant.[/QUOTE]
Barkley averaged 26/12/5 with a 60% TS in the 90s :lol
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553303]I thought Lebron makes his teammates better :confusedshrug:
[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/zLzdgH5iXGkAAAAd/barack-obama-what.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
As usual, no top tier help, no success.
2019 all over again
Even with his triple double machine by his side
Grizzlies have an 86% win rate with him not playing. 25% higher rate than when he does play.
He's gets my vote for least valuable star in the NBA. There's no other team that could win at that rate without their best player
Ja Morant is the least valuable star in the NBA.
:cheers:
[QUOTE=tontoz;14553321]Barkley averaged 26/12/5 with a 60% TS in the 90s :lol[/QUOTE]
The year Barkley won MVP he finished 5th in scoring, 6th in rebounding, and 18th in FG%. Karl Malone had better stats but the Jazz finished with 47 wins. Jordan led the league in scoring but the Bulls finished with the 3rd best record and won 10 less games than 1992. The reason Barkley won MVP was not that he had the best stats, he had very good stats, it's because Phoenix with 10 more wins than the previous season and finished with the league's best record.
Memphis was a play-in team last year, they're now 2nd in the conference, Morant will get the credit for it.
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553332]The year Barkley won MVP he finished 5th in scoring, 6th in rebounding, and 18th in FG%. Karl Malone had better stats but the Jazz finished with 47 wins. Jordan led the league in scoring but the Bulls finished with the 3rd best record and won 10 less games than 1992. The reason Barkley won MVP was not that he had the best stats, he had very good stats, it's because Phoenix with 10 more wins than the previous season and finished with the league's best record.
Memphis was a play-in team last year, they're now 2nd in the conference, Morant will get the credit for it.[/QUOTE]
How exactly did Malone have better stats? Slightly higher points, slightly fewer rebounds and fewer assists. Their numbers were very comparable.
Morants numbers aren't comparable at all to what Jokic/Embiid/Giannis are doing.
No Morant isn't going to get all the credit since they have a bunch of young players that have improved, as young players frequently do. Not to mentiont the fact that Jaren Jackson only played 11 games last year. :lol
[QUOTE=tontoz;14553338]How exactly did Malone have better stats? Slightly higher points, slightly fewer rebounds and fewer assists. Their numbers were very comparable.
Morants numbers aren't comparable at all to what Jokic/Embiid/Giannis are doing.
No Morant isn't going to get all the credit since they have a bunch of young players that have improved, as young players frequently do. Not to mentiont the fact that Jaren Jackson only played 11 games last year. :lol[/QUOTE]
Once again, MVP has a large component that is built around team success. I didn't just give you Barkley, I also cited Nash and Rose. Those guys had good teammates as well but they were given the most credit for it. Did Nash have better stats than Shaq and Kobe? Did Rose have better stats than Lebron? Shaq's already calling Morant the best player in the league. But look at all of those guys respective teams success, they all jumped forward not backward. Yes, You have to have good stats which Morant has. But of all the teams, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Denver, and Memphis, only Memphis has taken a big step forward. All the others have regressed to some degree.
[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14553326]As usual, no top tier help, no success.
2019 all over again
Even with his triple double machine by his side[/QUOTE]
How can he sustain top tier help when he keeps diminishing them or getting the ones with potential traded?
12-2 is a fluke of lucky shooting, weak opponents and unsustainably tenacious defense. Completely irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Gudo;14553358]How can he sustain top tier help when he keeps diminishing them or getting the ones with potential traded?[/QUOTE]
That's why he runs off and resets, like an easy path coward, every 4 years
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14553357]Once again, MVP has a large component that is built around team success. I didn't just give you Barkley, I also cited Nash and Rose. Those guys had good teammates as well but they were given the most credit for it. Did Nash have better stats than Shaq and Kobe? Did Rose have better stats than Lebron? Shaq's already calling Morant the best player in the league. But look at all of those guys respective teams success, they all jumped forward not backward. Yes, You have to have good stats which Morant has. But of all the teams, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Denver, and Memphis, only Memphis has taken a big step forward. All the others have regressed to some degree.[/QUOTE]
If a team makes a big leap forward because a guy missed the previous season due to injury i don't think a MVP candidate gets much credit for that.
Morant's numbers aren't close to the other guys. You can't give him that much credit for the teams success since JJ was out last season and the team was 12-2 without Morant this season.
Morant has the best highlights in the league for sure. But in terms of scoring/playmaking/defense he isn't comparable to the top 3 guys.
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553359]12-2 is a fluke of lucky shooting, weak opponents and unsustainably tenacious defense. Completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
If thats the case then the team's record shouldn't be a big factor in Morants favor in the MVP voting.
[QUOTE=insight;14553206]Ja is the most exciting player in the league by a large margin but really shouldn't be considered MVP because Memphis is not dependent on him to win. Memphis is #1 in fast break points because they have multiple players who can dribble, create thier own shot and find the open man. Joker and Embid have more gravity, if Ja is considered why isn't Devin Booker a MVP candidate?[/QUOTE]
Those casuals only see that a player are worthy of becoming mvp when they're putting up impressive numbers over time, never mind looking at the bigger picture. Like if their respective teams have a good, winning record in games without them. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553359]12-2 is a fluke of lucky shooting, weak opponents and unsustainably tenacious defense. Completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
What a dumb statement. No wonder people clown you for your opinions lmao.
[QUOTE=Axe;14553377]What a dumb statement. No wonder people clown you for your opinions lmao.[/QUOTE]
Its a proven fact you dingus. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553404]Its a proven fact you dingus. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Says the clown who thinks lavine > tatum :roll:
[QUOTE=tontoz;14553375]If thats the case then the team's record shouldn't be a big factor in Morants favor in the MVP voting.[/QUOTE]
Why not? Why would that small sample matter and not the actual big one? Team's position is only one factor for MVP.
[QUOTE=Axe;14553405]Says the clown who thinks lavine > tatum :roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Doesn't matter who says it if its a fact dingus
As for Lavine vs Tatum only a total dingus can laugh at the comparison as if its Bird and Scalabrine:oldlol:
[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14553407]:facepalm
Doesn't matter who says it if its a fact dingus[/QUOTE]
Yeah go cry us a river. Derrick rose cannot carry the knicks anymore, that's why you are rooting for other stars and teams these days.