Victor Wembanyama has GOAT Potential

Just when you think you've seen it all..


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is that nba distance 3?

Just wait til he adds 40-50 pounds over the next half-decade. AD went from 210 to 253-260 pounds. Giannis went from 190-200 to 250 pounds.

He might, but if you put Bol Bol in the french league, he looks better than this.

This isn't the Euroleague.

Wemba leads in points, leading these guys:

Victor Wembanyama 22.1
Ronald March, Jr. 19.9
Marcus Keene 19.4
Matt Morgan 19.1
Markis McDuffie 17.8

Of course he has huge potential, but keep in mind Luka was leading and winning the Euroleague at 17 against the actual serious competition.

His trajectory looks to be more like Porzingis/Giannis.

Wait until he puts on some muscle and you start posting pictures upon pictures of him to prove he’s juicing.

Better pray he doesn't become injury prone.

Yeah, he has GOAT potential, but so do/did a number of players. Lebron, Kobe, Giannis, Luka, KD all had GOAT potential, but none of them lived up to it. We'll see if Wembanyama does. It would be cool if he does.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14717989]Yeah, he has GOAT potential, but so do/did a number of players. Lebron, Kobe, Giannis, Luka, KD all had GOAT potential, but none of them lived up to it. We'll see if Wembanyama does. It would be cool if he does.[/QUOTE]

Such a weird post. "Giannis, Luka, & KD had GOAT potential, none lived up to it".

I've never seen anyone say these players had GOAT potential, to act like they fell short based off something that was never even applied to them is funny. And not to mention Luka is only 23.

LeBron has set such a high bar, i cant see anyone reaching that.

And he will waste away on the Pistons. It's clear as day that David Stern needs to rig the draft again and get this man on the Knicks.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14718063]And he will waste away on the Pistons. It's clear as day that David Stern needs to rig the draft again and get this man on the Knicks.[/QUOTE]

So God can punish the Knicks by giving the kid bum knees and ensuring no championship for another 30 years?

There's alot that goes into 'GOAT potential' beyond skills/talent. Circumstances, consistency, resilience, some sliver of luck, good health..... 'we'll see' is where I'm at( which is where I'm at with guys who've already proven their mettle against NBA competition).

[QUOTE=90sgoat;14717910]He might, but if you put Bol Bol in the french league, he looks better than this.

This isn't the Euroleague.

Wemba leads in points, leading these guys:

Victor Wembanyama 22.1
Ronald March, Jr. 19.9
Marcus Keene 19.4
Matt Morgan 19.1
Markis McDuffie 17.8

Of course he has huge potential, but keep in mind Luka was leading and winning the Euroleague at 17 against the actual serious competition.

His trajectory looks to be more like Porzingis/Giannis.[/QUOTE]
Bol Bol is way to slow(awkward) for Euroleague, and his transition dunks(layups) not gonna work in Euroleague aswell

[QUOTE=Full Court;14717989]Yeah, he has GOAT potential, but so do/did a number of players. Lebron, Kobe, Giannis, Luka, KD all had GOAT potential, but none of them lived up to it. We'll see if Wembanyama does. It would be cool if he does.[/QUOTE]

These players are top 20 and/or have potential to get in and climb up the rankings. That's not unfullfilled potential. Wiggins is.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14717993]Such a weird post. "Giannis, Luka, & KD had GOAT potential, none lived up to it".

I've never seen anyone say these players had GOAT potential, to act like they fell short based off something that was never even applied to them is funny. And not to mention Luka is only 23.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call it falling short. It's a compliment. They showed the skill to potentially be the GOAT. 99% of players that have the skill will still never make it to the top.

And yes, Luka is still young, so his GOAT ship hasn't sailed yet, but I'd give lower odds of it than I would have a couple years ago.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14717989]Yeah, he has GOAT potential, but so do/did a number of players. Lebron, Kobe, Giannis, Luka, KD all had GOAT potential, but none of them lived up to it. We'll see if Wembanyama does. It would be cool if he does.[/QUOTE]


If you have a career like some of those guys that wouldn’t be falling short of anything. The problem is people decide who the goat is, and then treat everybody else like they’re garbage in comparison, for reasons beyond their actual accomplishments. Nobody actually caught Russell’s accomplishments and maybe not kareems(6 titles, 6 mvps, 20 time all star, all time scorer, 15-17 time all nba and so on). But we decide Jordan is it, disregard the accomplishments of the others, then act like everyone has to chase Jordan who never really topped the accomplishments of the people we put him above.

And my point isn’t that Jordan can’t be the best because if I had to pick with a gun to my head, one name no explanations his would be it, but at a certain point it’s just splitting hairs among people who had careers so otherworldly you can’t genuinely expect it from anybody.

If this kid comes in and has 4-5 rings , 4-5 mvps, scores 37000, is 18 times all nba and all that….


Hes had a goat level career regardless of if you personally concede the title. At some point, we’re just arbitrarily assigning value to the accomplishments that back up our personal opinions. Nobody is ever going to catch Bill Russell’s accomplishments. We just don’t care, but we will keep acting like other people can’t catch Jordan without his accomplishments. It’s all just rigging the race to get the winner we want.

We don’t need to be out here downplaying the greatness of guys like Kobe/Lebron/next guy as if simply being better at basketball guarantees accomplishments on that tier.

Wemby could be better than Lebron or Duncan and not have close to that career because too much has to fall in line for such careers to happen.

All you can do is project the basketball playing ability. The rest isn’t something you can count on even if you have the game. And even if you have the game and the luck and circumstance to have a career like that most cling to their pick and deny you anyway. So then he “fell short” no matter what he did.

To me once you hit that top tier of guys there is no reason to say you failed to reach whatever status. Goat status to me is a level of basketball. Actually getting the #1 ranking takes a lot more than being good enough. But you can’t control that part.

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Whether the dude lives up to it or not, time will tell, but the hype is definitely justified.

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And yes, Luka is still young, so his GOAT ship hasn't sailed yet, but I'd give lower odds of it than I would have a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]

Correct. He hasn’t had a 2010 ECSF, 2010 free agency, 2011 Finals three peat moment of total failure yet.

Is lil mikey destined to be third all time just like his draft position?

[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;14837313]Correct. He hasn’t had a 2010 ECSF, 2010 free agency, 2011 Finals three peat moment of total failure yet.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you continue to bring those up only show that you have some severe derangement syndrome about him.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14837314]Is lil mikey destined to be third all time just like his draft position?[/QUOTE]

You can tell Bronies feel threatened. Lebron/Curry era is over.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14718184]I wouldn't call it falling short. It's a compliment. They showed the skill to potentially be the GOAT. 99% of players that have the skill will still never make it to the top.

And yes, Luka is still young, so his GOAT ship hasn't sailed yet, but I'd give lower odds of it than I would have a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]

There's only one GOAT. Of everyone that has ever played basketball. And even that is arguable.

Outside of Luka you just mentioned a few of the greatest who have ever played. Just because they had unreasonable expectations put on them doesn't mean they didn't live up to something.

Help me out here to think of someone who proves me wrong, but the GOAT never ends up being an athletic freak, they end up being, sometimes, very talented athletically, but they need to be somewhat "normal" to have the drive / chip on their shoulder in order to make it happen. I think even LeBron was too far into the athletic freak category to get it, looking back. But he did alright haha.

Edit: "If this kid comes in and has 4-5 rings , 4-5 mvps, scores 37000, is 18 times all nba and all that…" <-- place a friendly wager on whether that happens? haha

-Smak

[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14837380]Help me out here to think of someone who proves me wrong, but the GOAT never ends up being an athletic freak, they end up being, sometimes, very talented athletically, but they need to be somewhat "normal" to have the drive / chip on their shoulder in order to make it happen. I think even LeBron was too far into the athletic freak category to get it, looking back. But he did alright haha.

Edit: "If this kid comes in and has 4-5 rings , 4-5 mvps, scores 37000, is 18 times all nba and all that…" <-- place a friendly wager on whether that happens? haha

-Smak[/QUOTE]

lebron, mj and wilt are all athletic freaks though.

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14837404]lebron, mj and wilt are all athletic freaks though.[/QUOTE]

Mj not. Athletic big hand, small feet prol avg johnson. Hence chip. Bron and wilt are in that they have no weaknesses athletically. Not even size. They dont have hunger. Ai was a freak of sorts but he was tiny. Mj was 6’4~? Perfect height just like Kobe. Shaq is an athletic freak. If u think of peoples skill level and who had goat skill, you are overusing freak. A freak is a guy who u look at him and his body and say he has goat potential. Mj not that. Def athletic tho n worked hard to stay that way.

-Smak

[QUOTE=Johnny32;14837314]Is lil mikey destined to be third all time just like his draft position?[/QUOTE]
No pip?

Saying MJ wasn’t an athletic freak has to be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen posted.

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14837559]Saying MJ wasn’t an athletic freak has to be the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen posted.[/QUOTE]

I see why u think that but u should think harder about what I’m saying. Im talking about i grew up next to a power plant once in a life time athlete. Mj was def crazy but u really think dudes like vince or kemp werent just as gifted athletically? The raw strength of kemp is supremely underrated. Same with ais stamina. They were nuts athletes, but the word “freak” has implications that they are almost beyond human. Nobody been like: shaq, wilt, bron. Wemb might break, but if he doesnt, hes def in a diff league than mj with the top top guys. Sorry if u dont see that. More likely ur just being a contrarian.

If u think wemb and jordan are on the same level as athletic anomalies, or wilt, or shaq or bron v mj, dono what to tell ya bud. There are levels.

-Smak

I forgot about Giannis, for some reason. I dunno. But yeah, sorry for bein' me and trolling everyone. MJ was indeed a great athlete. He had a lot of gifts. I do still stand by what I said, when you are just a natural on the level of some of these guys, it's near impossible to get MJ like work ethic.

SHAQ, GIANNIS, WILT, BRON, WEMB. Which one are we saying MJ is more of an athletic freak than? I could see someone arguing Bron, but I think you are wiling out. Bron like 270 in his prime. There are prol other dudes I am forgetting, too.

-Smak

Gotta agree with Smak, tho he's exaggerating his argument.

At the tippy-top tier of pure athleticism, I'd put Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal in there.
They combined size, strength, speed, and agility in ways previously thought impossible. Their physical attributes altered the game itself.

Next tier would be the high flying gravity defiers like Jordan, Carter, Dominique, and Doctor J. They electrified crowds with incredible leaps and mid-air acrobatics.

Third tier are the explosive & agile guards like Iverson, Westbrook, etc.

Where Victor Wembanyama falls is anyone's guess cuz all those other guys are finished products, but Victor has yet to reach his prime. He already has impressive agility and coordination for his size. He's not just tall but he has the BBIQ and skills to match. In a few years, we will have more evidence to rank him.

Dude called for the alley oop at the 3 point line

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I am completely on board with stanning Wemby. Exactly what I needed as LeBron is approaching the end. Thought Luka might have filled the void but he's annoying as ****.

He's played insane in the past two games :rockon:

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23 pts in 22 minutes. And made it look effortless :bowdown:

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Def looks like he can do it. Not be goat, cuz like I said, it's 2 ez for him to ever put in that work, but he's gonna be a problem for a long time if he doesn't get injured.

-Smak