Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?

Only the GOAT won that way AS A STANDARD - other guys only did it in one-off fashion

You are a certified dickhead.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14794588]You are a certified dickhead.[/QUOTE]


Prime Wade/Bosh couldn't win with that crap in the 11' Finals either - only MJ could routinely win with that

Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794592]Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.[/QUOTE]


That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..

Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'

But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion

Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had

And LeBron won with Wade averaging less than 16 for the entire playoffs

:lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794597]That was 13 ppg on [B]great efficiency [/B]and clutch[/QUOTE]

Maxwell: 37 fg% in the finals.

Do you ever stop lying?

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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14794598]And LeBron won with Wade averaging less than 16 for the entire playoffs

:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]


Lebron never won a Finals with less than 20 from a sidekick (19.6) and only averaged 2-5 more than his sidekick for his 4 Finals wins

Again, only MJ routinely won with 18 from a sidekick - that was MJ's standard, while everyone else can only do it in one-off fashion

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794597]That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..

Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'

But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion

Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had[/QUOTE]

Was Hakeem's sidekick voted All-defensive that year?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794592]Amazed Hakeem won with a 13 ppg 2nd option in '94. MJ would NEVER do that.[/QUOTE]

Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.

[QUOTE=tpols;14794604]Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.[/QUOTE]
He still played MUCH better than Maxwell did in that series, Harper did too. The crazy thing is they win Game 6 Starks would've been FMVP :lol

[QUOTE=tpols;14794604]Ewing didnt have a much better 2nd option. Starks shit the bed.[/QUOTE]

wtf? Knicks had 3 guys who outscored Maxwell. Why are Bron haters so dumb?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794600]Maxwell: 37 fg% in the finals.

Do you ever stop lying?[/QUOTE]


The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and you respond by posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:

MJ is the only guy that won with 18 from a sidekick AS A STANDARD - everyone else did so in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (Lebron).

Btw, Pippen is 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had more help in 95' than Jordan ever had

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14794606]He still played MUCH better than Maxwell did in that series, Harper did too. The crazy thing is they win Game 6 Starks would've been FMVP :lol[/QUOTE]

He shot 2-18 in Game 7. That's unbelievable.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794611]The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and how do you respond???? By posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:

MJ is the only guy that won with 18 from a sidekick AS A STANDARD - everyone else did so in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (Lebron).

Btw, Pippen is 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had more help in 95' than Jordan ever had[/QUOTE]
Nope, Duncan won 3 in that fashion.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794611]The OP says that other guys did it in ONE-OFF FASHION, and you respond by posting a one-off that occurred when MJ wasn't in the league... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

And you responded by posting a LIE. "Great efficiency".

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794614]And you responded by posting a LIE. "Great efficiency".

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off

My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part - Maxwell was amazingly clutch

Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794616]Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off

[B]My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part [/B]- Maxwell was amazingly clutch

Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)[/QUOTE]

Why did you lie?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794618]Why did you lie?[/QUOTE]


It was an assumption, not a lie and it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win Finals with 18 from a sidekick)

And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794622]It was an assumption[/QUOTE]

You assumed wrong.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14794612]Nope, Duncan won 3 in that fashion.[/QUOTE]


So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?

And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final was won with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)

Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14794628]You assumed wrong.[/QUOTE]


it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win with less help.like what Jokic had tonight

And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794630]So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?

And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final saw Duncan win with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)

Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)[/QUOTE]
Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.

stacked team

[QUOTE][B][SIZE=7]But the team, led by Scottie Pippen and an increased role from both Horace Grant and B. J. Armstrong were able to lead the Bulls to a 55-win season, only 2 wins less than the 1992-93 team, which had Jordan.[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen-stood-tall-without-jordan-1993-94[/url]







grocery bagging rivals

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14794633]Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.[/QUOTE]


Duncan only needing 24 ppg due to superior offensive help, such as 3 HOF teammates with Pippen-level scoring ability that split the scoring duty (Parker, Robinson, Ginobili... and also Stephen Jackson)

So no one carried the scoring load like Jordan, who also led in assists and steals for various title runs (and blocks in 91') and he was basically tied with Rodman for the rebounding lead in 97' Playoffs (7.9 to 8.3).. that's unbelievable for a shooting guard..

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794597]That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..

Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'

But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion

Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had[/QUOTE]

The amount of BS that is spewed by this guy.

Basketball isn't just numbers and X's and O's.

Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't in their primes in 03, 3ball is retarded. You can't just name names and act like it's their prime version or else I can easily counter by saying MJ got destroyed by the Pistons despite having Pippen and Grant.

[QUOTE=red1;14794634]stacked team



[url]https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pippen-stood-tall-without-jordan-1993-94[/url]








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Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'

I would love to see jordan go up against a long-armed defender like kawhi


man was lighting up midgets - just look how small starks is compared to him


[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794662]Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'[/QUOTE]
They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794662]Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'[/QUOTE]

you're dropping jordan down the GOAT rankings with every post



there is a reason why no one respects baldan any more - they read your posts

[QUOTE=RRR3;14794661]Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't in their primes in 03, 3ball is retarded. You can't just name names and act like it's their prime version or else I can easily counter by saying MJ got destroyed by the Pistons despite having Pippen and Grant.[/QUOTE]


Jordan won with guys out of their prime because fossil Rodman averaged 3/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs (Jordan tied him in RPG) and wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs

Meanwhile, Pippen averaged 16.8 with the worst efficiency anyone ever had in the 96' and 98' Playoffs.

Regardless, the 03" Spurs had deluxe players at every spot compared to the Bulls role players - Parker, Robinson, Manu, Jackson and Bowen are simply better than Horace, Cartwright and Paxson

[QUOTE=RRR3;14794667]They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm[/QUOTE]


Horace was never a scoring option, so the Bulls never had a talented cast and only won 55 because they were a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty

But Pippen wasn't a franchise player, so any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, as we saw in 95 '

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794676]Horace was never a scoring option, so the Bulls never had a talented cast and only won 55 because they were a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty

But Pippen wasn't a franchise player, so any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, as we saw in 95 '[/QUOTE]

You don't need to score as much to beat the other team when you have all the best defenders your whole career.

[QUOTE=plowking;14794684]You don't need to score as much to beat the other team when you have all the best defenders your whole career.[/QUOTE]


The Bulls had the worst rim protection in a "rim protection format" and league, which is why they had weaker team defenses than their ECF and Finals opponents during the 1st three-peat

So no

[QUOTE=3ba11;14794631]it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win with less help.like what Jokic had tonight

And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???[/QUOTE]

Do you even like basketball or are you just ghey for MJ?

Legitimate question.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14794667]They lost Grant after 94 you braindead buffoon. So now Pippen is supposed to win 55 games without his second option? :facepalm[/QUOTE]

If he was a top 5 player like you guys claimed he wouldn't have been fighting to stay at .500 without Jordan in '95

Apparently he was as good as D-Rob, who led scrubs to 50-60 win seasons in the mid-90s lol

[QUOTE=ImKobe;14794690]If he was a top 5 player like you guys claimed he wouldn't have been fighting to stay at .500 without Jordan in '95

Apparently he was as good as D-Rob, who led scrubs to 50-60 win seasons in the mid-90s lol[/QUOTE]
Agreeing with snivelball. SNIVELLBALL. That's how bad LeBron ruined you.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14794693]Agreeing with snivelball. SNIVELLBALL. That's how bad LeBron ruined you.[/QUOTE]

3ball is arguably the best poster on this site.