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Its important to remember:
THIS IS ALL NORMAL.
There is nothing to see here and nothing to worry about.
Vax cucks about to roll up in here and beg for everyone to stop talking about it :roll:
We are literally dying at a normal rate right now :roll:
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What is % of expected?!
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"EvEry One Is DyInG I PromISe!" :roll:
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[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221[/url]
[url]https://news.sky.com/story/excess-deaths-reach-highest-level-since-pandemic-peak-how-much-are-nhs-failings-to-blame-12780446[/url]
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14875814]What is % of expected?![/QUOTE]
Our average death rate calculated over years is what is expected. We are dying LESS than usual.
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[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221[/url][/QUOTE]
2022 was right in the middle of covid.
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14875818]2022 was right in the middle of covid.[/QUOTE]
No it wasnt. Covid was way on the downslope and all measures stopped.
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[url]https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/lifestyle/newlywed-weight-loss-influencer-mila-de-jesus-dies-at-35/[/url]
She had major weight loss surgery and then her skin reacted badly and she died.
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And here you are trying to sell her death as a vaccine issue. She's Brazilian and likely unvaccinated.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14875819]No it wasnt. Covid was way on the downslope and all measures stopped.[/QUOTE]
That was right in the middle of Omicron look at the death rate chart I just posted.
"Recapping the last 4 days"
Roughly 150,000 humans die every single day.
But here you are freaking out over 5 of them :roll:
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She had major weight loss surgery and then her skin reacted badly and she died.
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And here you are trying to sell her death as a vaccine issue. She's Brazilian and likely unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]
Well, thats 1 out the way... Did you google all these and thats all you got?
I think the DJ, apparently, died of overdose... just off 1 Insta comment.
Youre telling me news of people "unexpectedly dying" leaving everyone "stunned" were also a daily thing before the vax? :lol
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14875823]"Recapping the last 4 days"
Roughly 150,000 humans die every single day.
But here you are freaking out over 5 of them :roll:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, take the hint: "unexpected"
Thats the "killer" right there
Not just unexpected of course. These are all people with some kind of public position, and the news are full of them. Purely proportionally, it doesnt add up.
vax'ed people live longer ...
un vaxed people die cause they are obsessed with Nazi Dumpster
Literally both sides of this debate are the exact same.
They both are just people who are afraid to die. Lol.
“Get the vaccine so you don’t die”!!!!!!!
“Don’t get the vax so you won’t die” !!!!!!!
Lmao.
The same thing with gun control. Wimps afraid of death on both sides.
Guess what y’all?
We all gonna die.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14875835]Literally both sides of this debate are the exact same.
They both are just people who are afraid to die. Lol.
“Get the vaccine so you don’t die”!!!!!!!
“Don’t get the vax so you won’t die” !!!!!!!
Lmao.
The same thing with gun control. Wimps afraid of death on both sides.
Guess what y’all?
We all gonna die.[/QUOTE]
Did you actually think that was an enlightening statement while typing it out? :facepalm
[QUOTE=SATAN;14875845]Did you actually think that was an enlightening statement while typing it out? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Enlightening?
No I didn’t. Lol. Why would I?
But let me ask you, did you actually think this was a good diss or troll attempt while typing it out?
Lmao.
Weak sauce
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14875823]"Recapping the last 4 days"
Roughly 150,000 humans die every single day.
But here you are freaking out over 5 of them :roll:[/QUOTE]
You didn't have this same energy when the media was on a non stop fear mongering campaign for "COVID deaths", billy boy.
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[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64209221[/url]
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2 things here:
1) "Among the worst in 50 years"? So..not the worst? What is the 50 year cutoff for and what caused a spike in the other years presumably also "amongst" the highest?
2) Both articles discuss Covid itself and subsequent treatment methods for those experiencing extreme or adverse effects of it. The one you snipped literally claims that men aged 50-64 have seen by far the highest percentage of such deaths. There are 9+ pages of graphs re-capping all of the items discussed, which I'm sure you didn't look at. Seems to be a lot of factors at play and happy to discuss in more detail if you're interested. But only if you actually read what you posted.
It's fine if you're going to be The Headline Guy buy I don't expect then to see you calling out others for been fear-mongered.
That's not to say that it definitively [I]isn't[/I] the vaccine btw. I don't know and neither do you. I DO know that using internet article headlines to validate your beliefs is not the answer.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14875991]2 things here:
1) "Among the worst in 50 years"? So..not the worst? What is the 50 year cutoff for and what caused a spike in the other years presumably also "amongst" the highest?[/QUOTE]
Ah, well its all good then... its only among the worst, not the worst.
lol.
You can check the 2nd article. Close to highest level in 70 years.
Regardless, if you want less headlines and more data and the weak/obvious bs reasons given for inexplicabe deaths, which should tell you everything to begin with:
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ah, and what caused that?...
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[QUOTE=tpols;14875902]You didn't have this same energy when the media was on a non stop fear mongering campaign for "COVID deaths", billy boy.[/QUOTE]
Yea that IS interesting. On one hand you have people dying potentially from Covid-related illness and the other side saying "shut up people die all of the time". And now you have those exact same groups of people doing the exact same things but in reverse.
Guess that's what happens when politics are approached in such a tribal manner.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14876033]Yea that IS interesting. On one hand you have people dying potentially from Covid-related illness and the other side saying "shut up people die all of the time". And now you have those exact same groups of people doing the exact same things but in reverse.
Guess that's what happens when politics are approached in such a tribal manner.[/QUOTE]
Only I'm not saying "who cares people die all the time!".
The OP posted a handful of deaths in an effort to make it seem like that isn't normal. I'm pointing out that is more than normal. 150,000 people die every day, so pointing out singular instances proves absolutely nothing.
In order to prove anything you have to look at rates as a whole:
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Deniers using pseudo-celebs is humorous though.
"Look everyone! The cousin of Arnold Schwarzenegger's personal trainer during the 1980s died at age 48!"
[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14876062]Only I'm not saying "who cares people die all the time!".
The OP posted a handful of deaths in an effort to make it seem like that isn't normal. I'm pointing out that is more than normal. 150,000 people die every day, so pointing out singular instances proves absolutely nothing.
In order to prove anything you have to look at rates as a whole:
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I think that the potential onset of myo and pericarditis is at least worth continuing to look into. As is the in-practice latency period for the spike proteins introduced through mRNA vaccination, compared to effects of spike introduced via Covid itself.
Nothing is conclusive yet in any way, which of course makes utilizing people’s death for the vaccination agenda highly inappropriate at best.
But what can you do.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14876033]Yea that IS interesting. On one hand you have people dying potentially from Covid-related illness and the other side saying "shut up people die all of the time". And now you have those exact same groups of people doing the exact same things but in reverse.
Guess that's what happens when politics are approached in such a tribal manner.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna stop you right there. Those two scenarios aren't even remotely the same.
There was nothing we could do about Covid because it was already here and spreading. It was an airborne virus. We shut down the entire country for weeks and months on end and everyone pretty much still caught it anyway. It's not that we wanted anyone to die from Covid, we just didn't agree with the government's illogical and drastic measures. Those deaths were never going to be avoided, not unless we truly shut down the entire world for real. No essential services, no leaving your house, no anything.
Meanwhile, every single vaccine related death could have been avoided. And if it does turn out that we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these deaths are linked to the vaccine, the side that was adamant about forcing it upon the population is going to have to take responsibility.
There is no equivalency here.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14876076]I'm gonna stop you right there. Those two scenarios aren't even remotely the same.
There was nothing we could do about Covid because it was already here and spreading. It was an airborne virus. We shut down the entire country for weeks and months on end and everyone pretty much still caught it anyway. It's not that we wanted anyone to die from Covid, we just didn't agree with the government's illogical and drastic measures. Those deaths were never going to be avoided, not unless we truly shut down the entire world for real. No essential services, no leaving your house, no anything.
Meanwhile, every single vaccine related death could have been avoided. And if it does turn out that we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these deaths are linked to the vaccine, the side that was adamant about forcing it upon the population is going to have to take responsibility.
There is no equivalency here.[/QUOTE]
lol even when I agree with at another side was being overzealous about something you still have something to say.
Having said that, you’re unsurprisingly going strawman city. Yes there absolutely is an equivalence in sentiment. Whether something is or isn’t avoidable has no bearing on my point. Most people don’t give a shit to research or form opinions on this outside of being told to do something or being angry at being told to do something.
Realize not comparing the situation of Covid and the situation with vaccines right? But there’s a clear delineation on thinking and neither side knows what the fvck is going on. It’s tribal shit
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14876101]lol even when I agree with at another side was being overzealous about something you still have something to say.
Having said that, you’re unsurprisingly going strawman city. Yes there absolutely is an equivalence in sentiment. Whether something is or isn’t avoidable has no bearing on my point. Most people don’t give a shit to research or form opinions on this outside of being told to do something or being angry at being told to do something.
Realize not comparing the situation of Covid and the situation with vaccines right? But there’s a clear delineation on thinking and neither side knows what the fvck is going on. It’s tribal shit[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of research, it's a matter of trust. The average person may not be a scientist, but they can tell when someone is lying or acting in bad faith.
Notice I said the average person. Plenty of people are actually of below average intelligence... I.E. the people like you who blindly put their faith in Fauci and the government health complex and couldn't tell that they were being purposely lied to.
I could understand why people 65 and up got vaccinated. I personally would not have, but that was the group hit hardest by Covid. Young and healthy people though? Total insanity. You had absolutely nothing to gain. A shining example of low IQ person at work.
[QUOTE=Baller234;14876246]It's not a matter of research, it's a matter of trust. The average person may not be a scientist, but they can tell when someone is lying or acting in bad faith.
Notice I said the average person. Plenty of people are actually of below average intelligence... I.E. the people like you who blindly put their faith in Fauci and the government health complex and couldn't tell that they were being purposely lied to.
I could understand why people 65 and up got vaccinated. I personally would not have, but that was the group hit hardest by Covid. Young and healthy people though? Total insanity. You had absolutely nothing to gain. A shining example of low IQ person at work.[/QUOTE]
You’ve completed flipped the script into something that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
I’ll just go keep trusting Fauci. Apparently.
Have a good day sir.
Its totally normal for seemingly healthy/athletic 35-50yos to "die suddenly"... and imagine how much harder they would have died if they were unvaccinated
[QUOTE=Nanners;14876263]Its totally normal for seemingly healthy/athletic 35-50yos to "die suddenly"... and imagine how much harder they would have died if they were unvaccinated[/QUOTE]
I think people dying is normal. Nothing but alarmist assholes on both sides.
They got you scared both ways bottom line.
“You’ll die of a virus”
“You’ll die from the vaccine”
Nothing but fear.
And self proclaimed “woke” (yeah you are of the woke breed) assholes like to choose sides as usual.
Lmao.
I hope some of you are smart enough to realize that the “30 something year old in perfect health dying” is the same rhetoric and propaganda that they used during the pandemic. It’s literally the exact same language. Lmao.
“We’ve never seen this before”
Lol.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14877122]I think people dying is normal. Nothing but alarmist assholes on both sides.
They got you scared both ways bottom line.
“You’ll die of a virus”
“You’ll die from the vaccine”
Nothing but fear.
And self proclaimed “woke” (yeah you are of the woke breed) assholes like to choose sides as usual.
Lmao.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that’s why the best course of action was to do nothing and just try your best to live your life how you always did.
The main beef was the mandating, a lot of these guys if had the opportunity would have held people at gunpoint to get the vaccination. That’s where shit got really ****ed up.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14877139]Yeah, that’s why the best course of action was to do nothing and just try your best to live your life how you always did.
The main beef was the mandating, a lot of these guys if had the opportunity would have held people at gunpoint to get the vaccination. That’s where shit got really ****ed up.[/QUOTE]
The biggest deflect and cover up that anti vaxers are willing to participate in is the fact that 5G is what’s responsible.
Yeah that’s what’s up.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14877140]The biggest deflect and cover up that anti vaxers are willing to participate in is the fact that 5G is what’s responsible.
Yeah that’s what’s up.[/QUOTE]
Tbh personally i’m just trolling most of the time with vax related deaths. Even though it’s not about winning or losing, anti vax already won regardless of the vaccine deaths issue. The vaccines were proven to be largely ineffective and covid is a thing of the past. Vaxers can get worked up in a frenzy about Trump now and forget it ever happened. The whole thing was bullshit. Vaxers ate it all up and now they conveniently don’t want to talk about it anymore. The whole thing is pretty funny you have to admit.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14877146]Tbh personally i’m just trolling most of the time with vax related deaths. Even though it’s not about winning or losing, anti vax already won regardless of the vaccine deaths issue. The vaccines were proven to be largely ineffective and covid is a thing of the past. Vaxers can get worked up in a frenzy about Trump now and forget it ever happened. The whole thing was bullshit. Vaxers ate it all up and now they conveniently don’t want to talk about it anymore. The whole thing is pretty funny you have to admit.[/QUOTE]
The reality is Covid and the Vax are not what is killing these people.
While y’all are having your troll fest covering up the real causes of these deaths, real people are actually dying.
But because mainstream media has told Nanners and whoever else it’s a certain way they run with it like woke retards.
Lmao.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14877146]Tbh personally i’m just trolling most of the time with vax related deaths. Even though it’s not about winning or losing, anti vax already won regardless of the vaccine deaths issue. [B]The vaccines were proven to be largely ineffective[/B] and covid is a thing of the past. Vaxers can get worked up in a frenzy about Trump now and forget it ever happened. The whole thing was bullshit. Vaxers ate it all up and now they conveniently don’t want to talk about it anymore. The whole thing is pretty funny you have to admit.[/QUOTE]
This is false. The vaccinated died at a substantially lower rate than the unvaccinated. Thousands of lives were saved.
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And something that many ignore for some reason is that taking a vaccine doesn't have to be all about dying. Millions get the flu shot simply because they don't want the flu, not because they think the flu will kill them. And every year a few super rare instances of the flu shot killing someone who has an abnormal reaction happens.